GUILTY FL - Calyx, 16, & Beau Schenecker, 13, shot to death, Tampa, 27 Jan 2011 #2

[Nymeria]

How was she able to buy a handgun????

:clap: :goodpost: :clap:

And.... :dunno:

Maybe it is time people were required to have evaluations before buying?

 

[seattlechiquita]

:clap: :goodpost: :clap:

And.... :dunno:

Maybe it is time people were required to have evaluations before buying?

bbm and Shhhhh.... how dare you even mention that and take away peoples' rights to bear arms!! SHAME ON YOU! :giggle:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

bbm and Shhhhh.... how dare you even mention that and take away peoples' rights to bear arms!! SHAME ON YOU! :giggle:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::facepalm:

 

[LambChop]

I don't know what the requirements are in Florida but don't you usually have to have a permit to carry a handgun which would require not only a background check but someone to vouch for you that you are a responsible individual. I don't have a problem with people buying handguns just those that buy a gun to specifically kill someone with it. I don't think anyone would agree that JS should have been sold a gun.

 

[Nymeria]

bbm and Shhhhh.... how dare you even mention that and take away peoples' rights to bear arms!! SHAME ON YOU! :giggle:

Yeah, what could I have been thinking aye? :facepalm:

PS- Have all the guns you want....as long as you are MENTALLY capable of being responsible with them....YEAH!

 

[Whiteorchids]

Yes so it delayed her plans to kill her kids.

Anybody ever hear of insanity waiting patiently for three days?

James Holmes (batman) killer was insane and he had a plan, drove a car, and booby trapped his apartment as many other insane killers have done. I think most have had some sort of delusional plan. I think she was insane period. Her mental illness had escalated over the top especially with all the booze. I've heard some antidepressants have caused suicidal and violent tendencies in people. Many mentally ill are dual diagnosed because the alcohol makes them feel better. She was on 10+ meds. I have to wonder with so many RX meds couldn't some of those totally screwed up her mind worse.

 

[seattlechiquita]

James Holmes was insane and he had a plan, drove a car, and booby trapped his apartment as many other insane killers have done. I think most have had some sort of delusional plan. I think she was insane period. Her mental illness had escalated over the top especially with all the booze. I've heard some antidepressants have caused suicidal and violent tendencies in people. Many mentally ill are dual diagnosed because the alcohol makes them feel better. She was on 10+ meds. I have to wonder with so many RX meds couldn't some of those totally screwed up her mind worse.

That is precisely why I am holding my judgement. I really want to listen to the testimony. My gut tells me she knew, but my own sad history with alcoholism and mental illness tells me she might not have.

 

[zoey]

Does she have public defenders or private lawyers?

 

[seattlechiquita]

Does she have public defenders or private lawyers?

I think PDs. I remember she asked the now ex-husband for a cash flow for private lawyers plus alimony and he said "errrr..... hmmm.... heck no!"

 

[Whiteorchids]

That is precisely why I am holding my judgement. I really want to listen to the testimony. My gut tells me she knew, but my own sad history with alcoholism and mental illness tells me she might not have.

I've know people that have had adverse side effects with prescribed psych meds that made them feel crazier with screwed up irrational thinking than without taking them. She was taking more than 10 seems being over medicated. I think her brain was really screwed up. Normal person doesn't shoot their teenage kids for being mouthy. All teenage kids are mouthy. I am a Mom with 2 adult boys. I vote for insane and put her in a hospital. Did anyone read the book about this case called "Sleep my Darlings" by Dianne Fanning?

 

[knt]

Just now watching the opening statements. I find the defense attorney saying "You're going to hear...." over and over and over... really annoying!!

 

[seattlechiquita]

Just now watching the opening statements. I find the defense attorney saying "You're going to hear...." over and over and over... really annoying!!

Pretty standard "we will show you this that, you will learn such and such, you will hear yada yada yada" but yeah, annoying as heck.

 

[Nymeria]

Just now watching the opening statements. I find the defense attorney saying "You're going to hear...." over and over and over... really annoying!!

:ditto:
Pros. Attn. was the same. Both need to take lessons in opening statements ("You will hear..." is common, but you have to change up the wording once in a while :facepalm


Or could it be that us trial junkies just have high standards? :giggle:

 

[Zuri]

I just read the emails. Very enlightening. This appears to have been a perfect storm. Dad traveling, pursuing his goals to be a General, leaving mentally ill Mom to cope and take care of kids. Kids don't understand mental illness nor why their Mom is acting the way she did. In laws recognize there is a problem but seemed to have blamed PS for JS not taking meds and poor compliance. They offered to help but JS siblings were busy with their own lives. Not sure about why JS mother could not help more. Apparently, PS mom went to help and was unable to be effective because JS was non compliant and difficult.

What little I could surmise, I wonder if there was poor medical management, poor follow up, with a non compliant JS. She did not give PS permission to speak with her doctors regarding treatment from what I read in the emails. I wonder too if JS was misdiagnosed. TD could also been caused by the lithium (toxicity) which apparently made her worse according to PS. She does not appear to have the TD now from my observations of her sitting quietly at the defense table, holding a pen, underlining things. Those are fine motor skills which she seems to possess just fine. In jail, she is monitored and has to take her meds.

This is just so tragic all the way around. I truly wish that those friends and family could have been more effective in seeing that JS got the treatment she so badly needed. Oh, and I hope she spends the rest of her life in jail for murdering her kids. She poses too great of a risk to others should she be set free. IMO JMV JMO

 

[YESorNO]

:ditto:
Pros. Attn. was the same. Both need to take lessons in opening statements ("You will hear..." is common, but you have to change up the wording once in a while :facepalm


Or could it be that us trial junkies just have high standards? :giggle:

We have seen/heard the best- JM :clap:

 

[YESorNO]

Nancy Grace ‏@NancyGraceHLN 2m
Alleged journal entry: ‘Good thing you weren’t here or I probably would have offed you too,’ mom writes to hubby #ScheneckerTrial

She wanted to kill her husband, too.
Why didn't she kill herself????

We need to see this journal.

https://twitter.com/NancyGraceHLN

 

[YESorNO]

What's the significance of hollow bullets (NG talking about). Did JS really use them or is it just NG bombshell baloney?

 

[Jewels53]

What's the significance of hollow bullets (NG talking about). Did JS really use them or is it just NG bombshell baloney?

A hollow point is an expanding bullet that has a pit or hollowed out shape in its tip, generally intended to cause the bullet to expand upon entering a target in order to decrease penetration and disrupt more tissue as it travels through the target.

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Hollow-point_bullet.html

 

[YESorNO]

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Hollow-point_bullet.html

That must hurt. :scared:

thanks, Jewels :seeya:

 

[YESorNO]

I just read the emails. Very enlightening. This appears to have been a perfect storm. Dad traveling, pursuing his goals to be a General, leaving mentally ill Mom to cope and take care of kids. Kids don't understand mental illness nor why their Mom is acting the way she did. In laws recognize there is a problem but seemed to have blamed PS for JS not taking meds and poor compliance. They offered to help but JS siblings were busy with their own lives. Not sure about why JS mother could not help more. Apparently, PS mom went to help and was unable to be effective because JS was non compliant and difficult.

What little I could surmise, I wonder if there was poor medical management, poor follow up, with a non compliant JS. She did not give PS permission to speak with her doctors regarding treatment from what I read in the emails. I wonder too if JS was misdiagnosed. TD could also been caused by the lithium (toxicity) which apparently made her worse according to PS. She does not appear to have the TD now from my observations of her sitting quietly at the defense table, holding a pen, underlining things. Those are fine motor skills which she seems to possess just fine. In jail, she is monitored and has to take her meds.

This is just so tragic all the way around. I truly wish that those friends and family could have been more effective in seeing that JS got the treatment she so badly needed. Oh, and I hope she spends the rest of her life in jail for murdering her kids. She poses too great of a risk to others should she be set free. IMO JMV JMO

Zuri/nurse- it's nice to have someone so knowledgeable about MDs/meds for this trial. I need someone who can not be biased about the medical part, who isn't being paid, by the way. it's so good to have you here for this trial, IMO.

Why was she taking so many meds? Isn't this dangerous?