GUILTY FL - Calyx, 16, & Beau Schenecker, 13, shot to death, Tampa, 27 Jan 2011 #4

[Rhozwen]

If she didn't know it was wrong, why did she lie when she bought the gun?

Good point. I'm really on the fence here, so discussing the facts helps a lot.

She lied about the reason for buying the gun. So we can assume she lied because she didn't want to tell them she was planning on killing her children, because they then wouldn't sell her the gun if they knew that.

The doctor claims she lied because she felt that the gun shop guy wouldn't understand her reasons..but that again shows she is having conscious thought about what others would think/say/do.

So this does prove that she knew it was wrong on some level. I think if she were really psychotic, she wouldn't have rational thoughts at all.
The doctors have said that psychosis comes and goes, so if that's the case, wasn't she still planning the murder of her children if one of those off moments was when she was purchasing the gun?
The gun shop guy said she appeared normal and not delusional. If she were delusional, would he be able to tell?

 

[Abigail]

JS wrote in her journal on Monday that everything she written recently was incomprehensible, and she was out of her oxycodone pills.

She indicated she was doing things that had an adverse impact on her mental health.

Shaking of head and extremities during "perp walk" after arrest were caused by Lithium toxicity and psychic and mental shock of what had happened. Not tardive dyskenesia or mental illness.

 

[Whiteorchids]

JS didn't like that Lithium flattened her highs. She liked to be energized, happy, and interested. There were times she didn't take her Lithium because she felt that the Lithium "brought her down." She wanted to be energized or creative or engaged, so she didn't take her Lithium so she'd get that positive edge.

Since the Windmoor release, there's no way to tell how compliant she was with her Lithium treatment. Admitted to ER after arrest due to Lithium toxicity (Lithium level of 1.9). Murders were not caused by Lithium toxicity.

Very common complaint with MI patients. That's why so many go off meds because the meds make them feel lethargic like jello whereas the mania feels so much better.

 

[FlyerFan28]

marking my spot as i need to actually work today.

 

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Gloria Gomez, FOX 13 ‏@ggome13 3m
Observation: #JulieSchenecker father and sister leave cr

 

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Gloria Gomez, FOX 13 ‏@ggome13 46s
Observation: very few jurors taking notes. Four in the front row almost never take notes. But all paying attention

 

[Abigail]

JS suspicion that her hsb wanted to divorce her was NOT a paranoid delusion. Her concern that her daughter Calyx might develop bipolar was not a psychotic delusion.

She had ideas of sexual promiscuity.

 

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Gloria Gomez, FOX 13 ‏@ggome13 40s
Observation: during bench hearing jury looking at gallery many looking around. #JulieSchenecker

 

[momrids6]

lithium toxicity;

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002667.htm

 

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Gloria Gomez, FOX 13 ‏@ggome13 33s
Pros looking for a document a lot of waiting and looking around by everyone. #JulieSchenecker

 

[Whiteorchids]

lithium toxicity;

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002667.htm

Don't see anything about causing death. Did she think this would really kill her or did she take overdose of Lithium knowing it would not kill her but would look like an attempt she tried?

 

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Mandy McGlothlin ‏@MandyMcGlothlin 2m
@courtchatter during *states evidence and witnesses the jurors took WAY less notes during cross by defense.

 

[Abigail]

Between 2007 and 2011 when she purchased the handgun, no psychiatrist diagnosed her with a psychotic episode that they observed and treated. Very reliant on self report.

JS told Dr. M she'd under-reported her symptoms. She wanted to avoid having her medications reviewed -- in the belief that her best interest was to withhold information in order to self-manage her medications.

Is this a form of manipulation of her medical care? Dr. M said this is a pattern of behavior that is associated with practically all patients in all illnesses. It is a part of the usual interaction between doctors and patients.

 

[Abigail]

Dr. M did not conduct any psychological testing of JS because
1) none of the tests would have measured whether she was insane at the time of the crime
2) the tests are only really 70% accurate anyway

 

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Gloria Gomez, FOX 13 ‏@ggome13 32s
Pros trying to show #JulieSchenecker manipulated her medical condition. She played her psych docs to hide her true intent to kill kids

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Does anyone think this doctor feels like he is being feed to the sharks?

 

[zoey]

WFLA NEWS ‏@WFLA · 1m
"She under reported her symptoms because she believed she could manage her medications better than her doctors" #ScheneckerTrial

 

[Abigail]

The idea of killing her kids occurred before the gun purchase.

Her consumption of oxycodone was contrary to prescribed intent. She said she took it to alleviate "brain pain." Probably contributed to her depressed state of mind.

 

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In 2009, 2010, #JulieSchenecker had a gambling problem - at Hard Rock Casino-spending over $1 ,000 a month. Had to borrow money for bills.

 

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Trial Queen Sharee ‏@TrialQnSharee 1m
#JulieSchencker's gambling was so severe, they had to borrow $10K to pay the bills