GUILTY FL - Charles Kinsey, autistic caregiver, North Miami, July 2016 -guilty of misdemeanor

[Doghairrules]

what do you mean they couldnt figure it out hours later?

From the article below. The officers who kept him handcuffed in the back of a police car described him as "loopy."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/north-miami/article91472342.html


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[SeesSeas]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/north-miami/article91472342.html
Mom of autistic man at center of Charles Kinsey shooting: My son is traumatized
JULY 23, 2016 1:23 PM
HIGHLIGHTS
Arnaldo Eliud Rios Soto had wandered away from his North Miami group home Monday
Rios has been in the psychiatric wing of Aventura Hospital since then
“It’s too emotional to see your baby caught up in something like this”

[…]
It was more than her son could endure, as well. On Tuesday, Rios wandered yet again. He returned to the blood-stained sidewalk where his caregiver had been shot the day before and threw himself to the ground, his mother said. Rocking rhythmically, he shouted: “I hate the police. I hate the police.”
[…]

 

[K_Z]

I know this is probably an unpopular sentiment, but the more I read, the more angry I become at what appears to be a completely inadequate management environment and plan for this disabled adult (who is also very large and strong). Clearly his needs far exceed the abilities of the current group home to manage him.

I realize he and his mother are very poor, and that is heartbreaking, as well, because their options are few. He clearly has the functional ability of a 2 or 3 year old, and yet, there is some ridiculous idea that his "rights" prevent the home and caregivers from appropriately supervising him, monitoring his movements, coming and going, etc. If he had Alzheimers disease, he would have an array of alarms, etc in his long term care facility that would allow movement, and alert staff to his whereabouts when he crossed invisible barriers. But because he has autism, there is this misguided idea that the "least restrictive environment" is practically no supervision at all, physical, chemical, or electronic. He probably needs some anti-anxiety meds as well, to help him cope, or an increase in dosage. I'm not suggesting we dope disabled adults into zombies so they're easy to take care of, but there is just nothing that is coming out in these stories that indicate that this man is being managed appropriately by his medical team and group home.

And so, IMO, that has to be looked at as part of the whole confluence of things that lead to the shooting of Mr. Kinsey. It's part of the whole situation, IMO.

As is "why" the local police seemed to be *completely unaware* that there is a group home of disabled adults in the area. How is it even remotely possible that police don't know this?? We have numerous group homes in a 20 mile radius where I live, and everyone in town knows that, from shopkeepers to kids to police. How is it even possible that NO ONE from police was able to ask or determine that this man was disabled, when there is a group home there?? It's not rocket science.

There is more, much more, to understanding and questioning ALL the issues that contributed to this situation than "just" the actions of the shooter. The debriefing on this needs to include many multidisciplinary representatives, and city authorities from the community, other than police.

 

[i.b.nora]

All three participating officers surround the victims, immediately after the shooting:



This is a screenshot from the witness video. I believe the "shooter" is the officer standing with his hands to his face/head with his rifle hanging down (easier to see rifle in actual video). Obviously he is close enough to Mr. Kinsey for them to have exchanged words such as: “Sir, why did you shoot me?” and “I don't know.”

I believe the other two officers were the ones hiding behind the telephone poles no more than 50 feet away from Mr Kinsey and Mr Soto.

An aside, since when have Police been worried about reopening a street quickly after a shooting? Especially a low traffic street.

The screenshot is from the video on this page:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ver-charles-kinsey-his-hands-while-he-n614106

 

[jjenny]

I am not sure what facility can manage the autistic man? He seems to have a mind of child but a strength of an adult. Also it wasn't the first time he tried to escape from the home. In the previous incident the home restrained him, and he was injured-I wonder if the home was told not to restrain him if he tried to leave?
Other than having him in a lock down secure facility, how exactly could he be prevented from leaving?

 

[MsFacetious]

Sister of Autistic Man Whose Caregiver Was Shot by Police Says He Is Traumatized

http://www.people.com/article/autistic-man-traumatized-after-caregiver-shot-by-police

 

[jjenny]

Sister of Autistic Man Whose Caregiver Was Shot by Police Says He Is Traumatized

http://www.people.com/article/autistic-man-traumatized-after-caregiver-shot-by-police

He wasn't doing all that well before this incident either. He tried to escape the home on July 5 (per Miami herald article). That time home tried to restrain him and he got injured in the process.

"On July 5, a behavior analyst from the group home called to tell her she needed to go to an urgent care center immediately. Rios had been injured while he was being restrained the day before, she said, and doctors could not treat the young man without her medical consent, as she was his legal guardian. “He was trying to get out of the house and he became aggressive and he was not allowed to get out of the house,” Soto said. Rios had broken his nose while being restrained. He also had broken his finger, an injury the group home says probably occurred earlier."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...orth-miami/article91472342.html#storylink=cpy

 

[bluesneakers]

Why would they put handcuffs on him to begin with? Especially considering they claim he was believed to be the victim and the autistic man was the actual target. I have also not seen it reported anywhere that the officer who shot him wasn't the one who handcuffed him.

Frightened overreaction? Scared of the two men? Not sure what to do so they cuffed him until they could figure it out? It makes zero sense to me other than they were in crisis mode and did the first thing they thought of.

Instinct? Not a good one.

 

[bluesneakers]

He wasn't doing all that well before this incident either. He tried to escape the home on July 5 (per Miami herald article). That time home tried to restrain him and he got injured in the process.

"On July 5, a behavior analyst from the group home called to tell her she needed to go to an urgent care center immediately. Rios had been injured while he was being restrained the day before, she said, and doctors could not treat the young man without her medical consent, as she was his legal guardian. “He was trying to get out of the house and he became aggressive and he was not allowed to get out of the house,” Soto said. Rios had broken his nose while being restrained. He also had broken his finger, an injury the group home says probably occurred earlier."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...orth-miami/article91472342.html#storylink=cpy

Which means he was fragile and vulnerable and more likely to be traumatized by the incident.

JMO

 

[Dockins]

I know this is probably an unpopular sentiment, but the more I read, the more angry I become at what appears to be a completely inadequate management environment and plan for this disabled adult (who is also very large and strong). Clearly his needs far exceed the abilities of the current group home to manage him.

I realize he and his mother are very poor, and that is heartbreaking, as well, because their options are few. He clearly has the functional ability of a 2 or 3 year old, and yet, there is some ridiculous idea that his "rights" prevent the home and caregivers from appropriately supervising him, monitoring his movements, coming and going, etc. If he had Alzheimers disease, he would have an array of alarms, etc in his long term care facility that would allow movement, and alert staff to his whereabouts when he crossed invisible barriers. But because he has autism, there is this misguided idea that the "least restrictive environment" is practically no supervision at all, physical, chemical, or electronic. He probably needs some anti-anxiety meds as well, to help him cope, or an increase in dosage. I'm not suggesting we dope disabled adults into zombies so they're easy to take care of, but there is just nothing that is coming out in these stories that indicate that this man is being managed appropriately by his medical team and group home.

And so, IMO, that has to be looked at as part of the whole confluence of things that lead to the shooting of Mr. Kinsey. It's part of the whole situation, IMO.

As is "why" the local police seemed to be *completely unaware* that there is a group home of disabled adults in the area. How is it even remotely possible that police don't know this?? We have numerous group homes in a 20 mile radius where I live, and everyone in town knows that, from shopkeepers to kids to police. How is it even possible that NO ONE from police was able to ask or determine that this man was disabled, when there is a group home there?? It's not rocket science.

There is more, much more, to understanding and questioning ALL the issues that contributed to this situation than "just" the actions of the shooter. The debriefing on this needs to include many multidisciplinary representatives, and city authorities from the community, other than police.

I hear you, but as a nurse who has worked with both disabled and dementia patients, it's next to impossible to get orders for anything that restricts movement. They are called chemical or physical restraints. Over and over, I have been told that my patients have 'the right' to fall or 'the right' to potentially injure themselves or others. I have been denied anti-anxiety short term meds for people in acute situations. At best, I can usually get a chair or bed alarm. I'm not talking about asking for someone to be tied to a bed or chair either. Dealing with elopement risks is touchy, both legally and ethically. Usually, it's left to the caretakers to deal with the patient in creative ways, since red tape and common sense often get in the way of protecting those I am there to take care of.

 

[jjenny]

I hear you, but as a nurse who has worked with both disabled and dementia patients, it's next to impossible to get orders for anything that restricts movement. They are called chemical or physical restraints. Over and over, I have been told that my patients have 'the right' to fall or 'the right' to potentially injure themselves or others. I have been denied anti-anxiety short term meds for people in acute situations. At best, I can usually get a chair or bed alarm. I'm not talking about asking for someone to be tied to a bed or chair either. Dealing with elopement risks is touchy, both legally and ethically. Usually, it's left to the caretakers to deal with the patient in creative ways, since red tape and common sense often get in the way of protecting those I am there to take care of.

Autistic children have a tendency to wander, sounds like this one also had this tendency. Yet powers to be seems to think he has a right to do so? Clearly he would be in danger outside by himself. He is described as largely no-verbal yet obviously he is a very large individual. I doubt he would even understand traffic laws as he was sitting in the middle of the street. He could be easily hit by a car.

 

[i.b.nora]

I want to hear the 911 call that started the whole police response.

 

[Dockins]

Autistic children have a tendency to wander, sounds like this one also had this tendency. Yet powers to be seems to think he has a right to do so? Clearly he would be in danger outside by himself. He is described as largely no-verbal yet obviously he is a very large individual. I doubt he would even understand traffic laws as he was sitting in the middle of the street. He could be easily hit by a car.

That's why it's so frustrating when trying to find a balance for the safety of those at the most risk. One on one would be most ideal, but it's not usually feasible due to financial reasons, but also if a person becomes combative. I've been hit, scratched, and had stuff thrown at me and other people, and rarely would I have an order for a prn medication that may or may not help. I love LE, but in the cases I have had to call them, they rarely know what to say or do to help. They just don't have the training, IMO. I will say I am in awe at how his caretaker handled the situation. He, IMO, did everything right, and I'm not sure everyone in his position would put themselves at risk. So, how can we help those who cannot help themselves without getting someone hurt? I wish I knew, but more awareness wouldn't hurt anyone.

 

[Elley Mae]

Bower says the man who lives at the group home was autistic. “He happens to be 24 years old,” said Bower. “He’s autistic, non-verbal so the police couldn’t get anything out of him because he can’t speak.”

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/07/20/group-wants-answers-in-latest-police-involved-shooting/

To our understanding is, is the individual, who lives here, was walking down the street with a toy in his hand and somebody called the police, saying somebody had a weapon,” said Clint Bower, president of the nearby Miami Achievement Center for the Developmentally Disabled, where Kinsey works as a caregiver.

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location off the center.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Mac...874119047560a4!2m2!1d-80.1698852!2d25.8895481

location 14th street in front of power station.

https://www.google.com/maps/@25.892...4!1suPxw-XFdYayoJ9k839O2iw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It appears to be about 5 miles distance between the two locations. I wonder if he walked there. ?

 

[Elley Mae]

A 911 call about an armed man threatening suicide drew officers to the scene just after 5 p.m. Monday, North Miami police Chief Gary Eugene told reporters.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/

Cuevas said officers received a 911 call indicating a man was in the street with a gun threatening to kill himself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article90905442.html

“There is preliminary information that North Miami Police Officers were dispatched to the scene after a 911 call was received of an armed male suspect threatening suicide.

http://wsvn.com/news/local/police-investigate-shooting-in-north-miami-1-injured/

 

[bluesneakers]

I want to hear the 911 call that started the whole police response.

Same. Do you think it will be released? Do Florida's Sunshine Laws cover 911 calls?

 

[i.b.nora]

Looking back in this thread to find some information I had previously posted:

“The owner of the group home, Clinton Bower, told Local 10 News that the autistic man, who is nonverbal, was handcuffed and detained by police for hours.

He said his client had to be hospitalized after returning from police custody and said officers confiscated his toy truck as evidence.

Bower called Kinsey a hero and said he did everything right in following police's orders and making sure his client was OK.

Bower said he offered North Miami police training on how to deal with people with disabilities two years ago after police stunned another client with a Taser. He said the department never took him up on his offer.

Days after the shooting, Kinsey has yet to hear why officers felt the need to shoot.”​

And, either I overlooked this before or it was added since:

“Another cellphone video, which surfaced Thursday, shows two officers behind a vehicle with guns drawn.

"The police are here with big guns, on top of my car. A crazy guy ran by with a revolver in his hand and they have him on the ground," a woman is heard saying in Spanish.

The man she is referring to is the autistic man with the toy truck which may have been mistaken for a handgun.

"I'm having to go through this, my God," she said. "And a black man lying in the street, poor black man."”​

All of the above from this article that I previously posted a link to:

http://www.local10.com/news/exculsi...uns-drawn-moments-before-north-miami-shooting

The new witness cellphone video mentioned above is included in the first 10News video news report on the page. It shows the guy who I believe is Johnathan Alleda with his rifle. The video shows up about halfway through the report.

 

[KaaBoom]

Snipped for focus. Mr. Kinsey asked that of the officer who handcuffed him. The officer who handcuffed him is not the one who shot him.

No that is not what he said. That is your spin. He said nothing about asking a different officer. He asked...

"I'm like, 'Sir, why did you shoot me?' "
"He said to me, 'I don't know.'"

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/

 

[i.b.nora]

Quoting myself. I found the article that originally had the video but the video has been removed. Here's a quote from the witness with link.

Witness Thomas Matthews lives nearby and said he saw the shooting unfold. “The guy was yelling, ‘Help me. Help me.’ And all of a sudden, three shots were fired. Boom, boom, boom,” he said.

A surveillance video from a nearby business captured the scene as North Miami Beach Police arrived in the area. Matthews said Kinsey was shot 15 minutes after police arrived.

“Police thought the guy had a weapon, but he had a toy because he was autistic,” Matthews said. “The view of the way he was holding it, it looked like a gun, but it was a toy.”

http://wsvn.com/news/local/police-investigate-shooting-in-north-miami-1-injured/

I wonder what the surveillance video from a nearby business captured?

My guess is the video would have come from the nearby power station? I don't know if that means a private company, or a city owned company, or what?

 

[Elley Mae]

Quoting myself. I found the article that originally had the video but the video has been removed. Here's a quote from the witness with link.

Witness Thomas Matthews lives nearby and said he saw the shooting unfold. “The guy was yelling, ‘Help me. Help me.’ And all of a sudden, three shots were fired. Boom, boom, boom,” he said.

A surveillance video from a nearby business captured the scene as North Miami Beach Police arrived in the area. Matthews said Kinsey was shot 15 minutes after police arrived.

“Police thought the guy had a weapon, but he had a toy because he was autistic,” Matthews said. “The view of the way he was holding it, it looked like a gun, but it was a toy.”

http://wsvn.com/news/local/police-investigate-shooting-in-north-miami-1-injured/

Thanks for the link Tillicum

Witness Thomas Matthews lives nearby and said he saw the shooting unfold. “The guy was yelling, ‘Help me. Help me.’ And all of a sudden, three shots were fired. Boom, boom, boom,” he said.

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