GUILTY FL - Charles Kinsey, autistic caregiver, North Miami, July 2016 -guilty of misdemeanor

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  • #162
I am having a heck of a time accessing the live video, I hope someone who can see it will offer up some info.
 
  • #163
a second officer, a commander, was placed on leave without pay for giving conflicting statements regarding this case.

“Commander Emile Hollet was placed on leave after evidence of conflicting statements given to the investigators of this specific case. This will not be tolerated,” said Spring."

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/07/22/city-officials-id-officer-who-shot-mental-health-caretaker/
 
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I am somewhat encouraged listening to a snippet of the news conference at the ABC link above.

City Manager Larry Spring spoke in a manner that sounded like he understands the problem and sounds responsive to the community needs.

He said the Officer involved in the shooting, Jonathan Aledda has been with the department for four years and is a member of the SWAT team. (hmmm) And he is represented by the Police union. And, as stated above he said that Commander Emile Hollett gave evidence of conflicting statements and has been placed on Administrative Leave without pay!

He went on to say that they have set up a 1st Ammendment Zone outside the Police Department.

It wasn't the whole briefing at the ABC link.
 
  • #166
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The more I read about this case, the sadder I become over this innocent man shot as well as the trauma his patient was put thru!

Another over zealous cop using his legal weapon to take control! This type officer is in the miniority, but they are the ones who set the tone for all their fellow officers nationwide. MOO.

My opinions only.
 
  • #167
Second officer placed on leave for conflicting statements.

Authorities in North Miami, Fla., said Friday that they had placed a second police officer on leave as part of the investigation into a police shooting there earlier this week in which an officer shot and wounded an unarmed man.

The second officer was placed on unpaid administrative leave because of “conflicting statements given to the investigators” looking into the shooting, Larry M. Spring Jr., the North Miami city manager, said at a news conference.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-statements-about-shooting-of-unarmed-man/

Eta: Just realized this was already posted. Sorry.
 
  • #168
1&2&3 said:
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The more I read about this case, the sadder I become over this innocent man shot as well as the trauma his patient was put thru!

Another over zealous cop using his legal weapon to take control! This type officer is in the miniority, but they are the ones who set the tone for all their fellow officers nationwide. MOO.

My opinions only.
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Not only is it in and of itself horrid, if the child had attached to to the guy in hospital that is even worse. His placement in a group home indicates acuity,and losing a familiar face and voice , for the individual suffering with the illiness, can have far more profound impact on the poor kid.

Kid is correct verbage- that is functioning ability generally moo

i.b.nora said:
I am somewhat encouraged listening to a snippet of the news conference at the ABC link above.

City Manager Larry Spring spoke in a manner that sounded like he understands the problem and sounds responsive to the community needs.

He said the Officer involved in the shooting, Jonathan Aledda has been with the department for four years and is a member of the SWAT team. (hmmm) And he is represented by the Police union. And, as stated above he said that Commander Emile Hollett gave evidence of conflicting statements and has been placed on Administrative Leave without pay!

He went on to say that they have set up a 1st Ammendment Zone outside the Police Department.

It wasn't the whole briefing at the ABC link.
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Hi i.b

That was my exact response hummm? Just more concerning imo



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  • #169
bluesneakers said:
I would like to hear the transmission and find out how far away the officer making the call was. If true it's a failure and dangerous overreaction on at least two LEO's parts.
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Hey dont know but what just struck me it might be better to say that he was attempting to shoot the kid because of his skin color?????
 
  • #170
bluesneakers said:
I would like to hear the transmission and find out how far away the officer making the call was. If true it's a failure and dangerous overreaction on at least two LEO's parts.
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And if that guy was that far away he shouldn't have been firing anyway. He claims he was shooting at autistic guy with a toy truck. If that is true, then clearly he missed his intended target and shot Mr Kinsey. And his other two shots missed (could have hit anyone I suppose). Why would he fire if he didn't have a clear shot?
 
  • #171
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why there are NOT local and national protests and riots over the Charles Kinsey shooting? Why is there not wall to wall coverage of this on the 24 hour news channels?

This is a case that I can certainly support outrage and protest over. The shooting officer, Johnathan Aledda, is a completely incompetent idiot, IMO. Mr. Kinsey is very, very lucky to be alive.

Where are Black Lives Matter on this one?
Where is Rev Al Sharpton and his supporters?
Where are the New Black Panthers?
Disability advocates?
Why aren't the teacher's unions linking arms and sitting in the middle of the road protesting THIS case?
Why aren't there crowds hurling rocks at police and blockading highways over this case?

Hmmmm........ maybe it's only worth their time to protest if someone dies??

Authorities in North Miami, Florida, on Friday identified the police officer who shot an unarmed African-American man lying in the street with his arms in the air this week.

The officer is Jonathan Aledda, North Miami City Manager Larry Spring Jr. said at a press conference. Aledda, a four-year department veteran and a member of the SWAT team, has been placed on administrative leave. Officer Jonathan Aledda has been placed on administrative leave.

A second police officer, Emile Hollant, has also been placed on administrative leave without pay after giving conflicting statements to investigators, Spring said.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/us/north-miami-police-charles-kinsey-shooting/
 
  • #172
K_Z said:
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why there are NOT local and national protests and riots over the Charles Kinsey shooting? Why is there not wall to wall coverage of this on the 24 hour news channels?

This is a case that I can certainly support outrage and protest over. The shooting officer, Johnathan Aledda, is a completely incompetent idiot, IMO. Mr. Kinsey is very, very lucky to be alive.

Where are Black Lives Matter on this one?
Where is Rev Al Sharpton and his supporters?
Where are the New Black Panthers?
Disability advocates?
Why aren't the teacher's unions linking arms and sitting in the middle of the road protesting THIS case?
Why aren't there crowds hurling rocks at police and blockading highways over this case?

Hmmmm........ maybe it's only worth their time to protest if someone dies??
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Black Lives Matter has been protesting it. With all the police killings it just doesn’t get as much news coverage, if the victim doesn’t die.

"I'm tired of all of it": Black Lives Matter rallies at North Miami Police station

Black Lives Matter activists held a protest at the North Miami Police Department on Thursday, July 21, 2016 in reaction to the shooting of unarmed mental healthcare worker Charles Kinsey.
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K_Z said:
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why there are NOT local and national protests and riots over the Charles Kinsey shooting? Why is there not wall to wall coverage of this on the 24 hour news channels?

This is a case that I can certainly support outrage and protest over. The shooting officer, Johnathan Aledda, is a completely incompetent idiot, IMO. Mr. Kinsey is very, very lucky to be alive.

Where are Black Lives Matter on this one?
Where is Rev Al Sharpton and his supporters?
Where are the New Black Panthers?
Disability advocates?
Why aren't the teacher's unions linking arms and sitting in the middle of the road protesting THIS case?
Why aren't there crowds hurling rocks at police and blockading highways over this case?

Hmmmm........ maybe it's only worth their time to protest if someone dies??



http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/us/north-miami-police-charles-kinsey-shooting/
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I think his survival is part of it. Also, while I realize that Mr. Kinsey is AA, as a "Behavioral Therapist" I'm not sure that he fits the demographic of victimhood that the media likes to exploit and inflame. This is just a guess on my part, though. Interested to hear what others think.

ETA: It could be that Mr. Kinsey and his family have not sought media attention as avidly as other victims and prefer to avoid the spotlight. They haven't done an actual press conference as other families have, he and his wife just did the one interview from the hospital (as far as I have seen -- I could be wrong).
 
  • #175
K_Z said:
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why there are NOT local and national protests and riots over the Charles Kinsey shooting? Why is there not wall to wall coverage of this on the 24 hour news channels?

This is a case that I can certainly support outrage and protest over. The shooting officer, Johnathan Aledda, is a completely incompetent idiot, IMO. Mr. Kinsey is very, very lucky to be alive.

Where are Black Lives Matter on this one?
Where is Rev Al Sharpton and his supporters?
Where are the New Black Panthers?
Disability advocates?
Why aren't the teacher's unions linking arms and sitting in the middle of the road protesting THIS case?
Why aren't there crowds hurling rocks at police and blockading highways over this case?

Hmmmm........ maybe it's only worth their time to protest if someone dies??

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/us/north-miami-police-charles-kinsey-shooting/
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"I'm tired of all of it": Black Lives Matter rallies at North Miami Police station

Black Lives Matter activists held a protest at the North Miami Police Department on Thursday, July 21, 2016 in reaction to the shooting of unarmed mental healthcare worker Charles Kinsey.

The shooting sparked calls for police department policy reviews by the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida and outraged U.S. Rep. Frederica Wilson of Miami Gardens, who visited North Miami this week and demanded answers. On Thursday night a group of about 40 Black Lives Matter protesters stormed the North Miami police department and called for the firing of Aledda.
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Charles Kinsey Proves Black Men Don't Have the Option to De-Escalate

That haunting exchange is what stuck in the mind of Black Lives Matter activist Johnetta “Netta” Elzie, a prominent organizer who was pivotal in organizing demonstrations in Ferguson, Mo., in the wake of Michael Brown’s death in August 2014. After saying she is “glad #CharlesKinsey is alive,” she turned to the shocking details of the case.
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Tweets:
Johnetta Elzie &#10004; @Nettaaaaaaaa
I've been thinking about this all morning.
"Sir, why did you shoot me?"
"I don't know."
This is insanity. #CharlesKinsey

If you search around in Autistic groups and non-profits and activism communities there is plenty available.
 
  • #176
CCmakes3 said:
I think his survival is part of it. Also, while I realize that Mr. Kinsey is AA, as a "Behavioral Therapist" I'm not sure that he fits the demographic of victimhood that the media likes to exploit and inflame. This is just a guess on my part, though. Interested to hear what others think.
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Everyone I know is sad and angry and not buying the officer's story. When it comes to cases like this I don't pay attention to MSM unless it's to link stories here.
 
  • #177
bluesneakers said:
Everyone I know is sad and angry and not buying the officer's story. When it comes to cases like this I don't pay attention to MSM unless it's to link stories here.
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Absolutely. I agree. I too am definitely outraged and did not mean to imply otherwise. Just brainstorming on why the media hasn't been covering it.
 
  • #178
CCmakes3 said:
Absolutely. I agree. I too am definitely outraged and did not mean to imply otherwise. Just brainstorming on why the media hasn't been covering it.
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My brainstorming:
If there were protests and arrests and it wasn't Convention week and if Clinton hadn't picked her running mate and if there wasn't a heat wave and a shooting in Munich, etc. etc.,... That's my guess anyway. I don't know if they are completely clueless about what we want to know or if they are pandering to a specific audience who wants action, conflict, terror, and bloodshed.

What are your thoughts?

PS:
Quick check of what's trending: Oliver Stone talks about Pokemon, Chris Stevens doesn't like Trump, Kate Hudson is dating, Hannity doesn't like Jon Stewart, Wonder Woman (okay, I can get behind that one).

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
  • #179
jjenny said:
And if that guy was that far away he shouldn't have been firing anyway. He claims he was shooting at autistic guy with a toy truck. If that is true, then clearly he missed his intended target and shot Mr Kinsey. And his other two shots missed (could have hit anyone I suppose). Why would he fire if he didn't have a clear shot?
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Daylight
Still scene
Swat cop misses 67% of shots
Answers" I dont "know"
young

Pondering impairment ---speculation---Rx? Decongestion pilll? Alcohol??

Huge life stresser? Divorce/bankrupcy/affair stressed? No sleep? Hungover? Found out he has cancer or something?

It too strange, IMO, there has to be some outside variable--if anything, missing two out of three as Swat trained dude makes me want to look for another variable, or if he was old (vision), rookie,

His partner it seems try to protect him "from" something??
 
  • #180
he missed 100% of his shots.

unless you want to run with the narrative that he was a bloodthirsty cop just looking to shoot an african american man so there is no way he could be telling the truth about his intended target.
 
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