GUILTY FL - Charles Kinsey, autistic caregiver, North Miami, July 2016 -guilty of misdemeanor

[jjenny]

Does anyone wonder why two different police officers would feel the need to give "inconsistent accounts of the shooting"?

You are misinterpreting what is in the article. It doesn't say two different police officers felt the need to give inconsistent accounts. One of the officers gave inconsistent accounts of the shooting: he claims he wasn't there but it appears he actually was.

 

[Dockins]

No kidding. I sure wouldn't.

Can someone please tell me why they aren't using the area set up for them? Is it because they want to be inside the lobby, or because they don't like the location chosen by LE, or could it be they don't want to be told where to congregate? I thought it was a considerate thing to do, so I must have missed something.

 

[human]

Can someone please tell me why they aren't using the area set up for them? Is it because they want to be inside the lobby, or because they don't like the location chosen by LE, or could it be they don't want to be told where to congregate? I thought it was a considerate thing to do, so I must have missed something.

Seems like intimidation and a power play to me.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Can someone please tell me why they aren't using the area set up for them? Is it because they want to be inside the lobby, or because they don't like the location chosen by LE, or could it be they don't want to be told where to congregate? I thought it was a considerate thing to do, so I must have missed something.

I think that the concern is that they have a message to deliver to the PD. PD on the other hands wants them to go out to the tent and talk amongst themselves.

 

[i.b.nora]

This is a very good Miami Herald article from last Friday, July 22, 2016. Apologies if it was previously posted. I’ve pulled just one brief snippet regarding the second policeman (because that is what I am currently focused on) however, the article seems to clarify who says what, and when, etc. And, it is prior to this week's BLM sit-ins, but sort of sets the stage for the further protests.

North Miami cop suspended for misleading probe of Charles Kinsey shooting
Miami Herald
By Charles Rabin and Lance Dixon
July 22, 2016

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article91406042.html

“Cmdr. Emile Hollant was placed on leave after evidence of conflicting statements given to the investigators of this specific case,” North Miami City Manager Larry Spring said Friday during a press conference. “This will not be tolerated.”

Hollant’s suspension comes only a week after he was promoted to commander during the same ceremony in which Gary Eugene was sworn in as North Miami’s new police chief.

“By giving misinformation to this department, he not only jeopardized Mr. Kinsey’s life and the life of his client, he jeopardized the life of every police officer that serves this city,” said North Miami Councilman Scott Galvin.”

*

“On an audio recording obtained by Miami Herald partner CBS4 that purports to be the police radio transmissions just before Kinsey is shot, someone can be heard saying, “He’s loading his weapon.”

It’s not clear on the audio if the officer is referring to Kinsey, or the 24-year-old autistic man seated on the ground next to him, who was under Kinsey’s care.

There was no weapon.”​

 

[bluesneakers]

I think that the concern is that they have a message to deliver to the PD. PD on the other hands wants them to go out to the tent and talk amongst themselves.

That and the idea the First Amendment should be contained to a specific zone approved by authorities.

 

[Cobra Jet]

You are misinterpreting what is in the article. It doesn't say two different police officers felt the need to give inconsistent accounts. One of the officers gave inconsistent accounts of the shooting: he claims he wasn't there but it appears he actually was.

Perhaps my question was a bit unclear. To me the fact that they gave an inconsistent account to the extent that one officer claimed they were not even at the scene of the shooting tells me that it was more then just a mistake. That was why I asked my question because I find that a bit odd and not in line the version of the event that the police are giving.

So I will rephrase my question. Does anyone else find it strange given the story that the police are telling us about why the shooting occurred that two different officers were put on unpaid leave due to inconsistent accounts they gave of what occurred?

 

[K_Z]

Can someone please tell me why they aren't using the area set up for them? Is it because they want to be inside the lobby, or because they don't like the location chosen by LE, or could it be they don't want to be told where to congregate? I thought it was a considerate thing to do, so I must have missed something.

I think that the concern is that they have a message to deliver to the PD. PD on the other hands wants them to go out to the tent and talk amongst themselves.

Each of the protesters was given the opportunity to write out a complaint, and met personally 1:1 with an officer. Once that was done, the "message delivered", the area needs to be cleared to make room for others without harassment or intimidation from a crowd of disgruntled protesters, and to provide safety in a volatile crowd situation. Yes, indeed, the group should be asked to move to another location to continue their protest. And it was quite hospitable for the police to set up a tent, podium, and provide water. They didn't have to do any of that.

There is no "right" to protest (or harass, or intimidate, or vandalize, or obstruct business, or occupy, or trash) anywhere they wish. A civilized society has laws, rules, and ordinances. Wth all of the recent crowd violence everywhere, security has to be a serious concern. They can exercise their free speech rights, but not illegally assemble or occupy. SCOTUS has affirmed placing limits and restrictions on how, where, and when people can "express themselves". They have been provided a nice space right outside the main entrance. They should use it. IMO.

Sadly, the BLM and other protesters will ruin public perception of this terrible case with their protesting behavior, IMO. This is one of the cases that has serious issues with how it unfolded, and the protesters, IMO, are going to cause the public to lump this case in with the cases of criminals shot by police and protested by BLM. This case is unique. Mr. KInsey is a hero, and deserves at least as much $$ payout as the families of criminals killed who actually fought with officers and took their guns. I hate that BLM is involved with this at all. It cheapens the whole thing, IMO, and casts Mr. Kinsey as one of the common criminals they usually support, which can't be further from the truth.

BLM should sit this one out in deference to the victims, who deserve much more respect than BLM can bring. The protesters are only hurting this case, IMO.

 

[CCmakes3]

Each of the protesters was given the opportunity to write out a complaint, and met personally 1:1 with an officer. Once that was done, the "message delivered", the area needs to be cleared to make room for others without harassment or intimidation from a crowd of disgruntled protesters, and to provide safety in a volatile crowd situation. Yes, indeed, the group should be asked to move to another location to continue their protest. And it was quite hospitable for the police to set up a tent, podium, and provide water. They didn't have to do any of that.

There is no "right" to protest (or harass, or intimidate, or vandalize, or obstruct business, or occupy, or trash) anywhere they wish. A civilized society has laws, rules, and ordinances. Wth all of the recent crowd violence everywhere, security has to be a serious concern. They can exercise their free speech rights, but not illegally assemble or occupy. SCOTUS has affirmed placing limits and restrictions on how, where, and when people can "express themselves". They have been provided a nice space right outside the main entrance. They should use it. IMO.

Sadly, the BLM and other protesters will ruin public perception of this terrible case with their protesting behavior, IMO. This is one of the cases that has serious issues with how it unfolded, and the protesters, IMO, are going to cause the public to lump this case in with the cases of criminals shot by police and protested by BLM. This case is unique. Mr. KInsey is a hero, and deserves at least as much $$ payout as the families of criminals killed who actually fought with officers and took their guns. I hate that BLM is involved with this at all. It cheapens the whole thing, IMO, and casts Mr. Kinsey as one of the common criminals they usually support, which can't be further from the truth.

BLM should sit this one out in deference to the victims, who deserve much more respect than BLM can bring. The protesters are only hurting this case, IMO.

They don't really WANT to be heard by the police or city officials, because those are not people they value. They want to be heard by the media and their social media followers, who would not be impressed by them using the facilities offered to them, because it's not divisive enough to hold their attention. Everything has to be a smack-down, or it's not worth doing.

 

[ZooSleuth]

Perhaps my question was a bit unclear. To me the fact that they gave an inconsistent account to the extent that one officer claimed they were not even at the scene of the shooting tells me that it was more then just a mistake. That was why I asked my question because I find that a bit odd and not in line the version of the event that the police are giving.

So I will rephrase my question. Does anyone else find it strange given the story that the police are telling us about why the shooting occurred that two different officers were put on unpaid leave due to inconsistent accounts they gave of what occurred?

Only one officer was put on unpaid leave due to his inconsistent account. Besides that guy, I have not read that there were other officers put on unpaid leave for any reason in regards to this shooting.

 

[human]

Each of the protesters was given the opportunity to write out a complaint, and met personally 1:1 with an officer. Once that was done, the "message delivered", the area needs to be cleared to make room for others without harassment or intimidation from a crowd of disgruntled protesters, and to provide safety in a volatile crowd situation. Yes, indeed, the group should be asked to move to another location to continue their protest. And it was quite hospitable for the police to set up a tent, podium, and provide water. They didn't have to do any of that.

There is no "right" to protest (or harass, or intimidate, or vandalize, or obstruct business, or occupy, or trash) anywhere they wish. A civilized society has laws, rules, and ordinances. Wth all of the recent crowd violence everywhere, security has to be a serious concern. They can exercise their free speech rights, but not illegally assemble or occupy. SCOTUS has affirmed placing limits and restrictions on how, where, and when people can "express themselves". They have been provided a nice space right outside the main entrance. They should use it. IMO.

Sadly, the BLM and other protesters will ruin public perception of this terrible case with their protesting behavior, IMO. This is one of the cases that has serious issues with how it unfolded, and the protesters, IMO, are going to cause the public to lump this case in with the cases of criminals shot by police and protested by BLM. This case is unique. Mr. KInsey is a hero, and deserves at least as much $$ payout as the families of criminals killed who actually fought with officers and took their guns. I hate that BLM is involved with this at all. It cheapens the whole thing, IMO, and casts Mr. Kinsey as one of the common criminals they usually support, which can't be further from the truth.

BLM should sit this one out in deference to the victims, who deserve much more respect than BLM can bring. The protesters are only hurting this case, IMO.

I know some BLM membes. They are wonderful people. There was a BLM protest in the city where I used to live in MN. It had speakers such as the Chief of Police, City Council members and other speakers. It was totally peaceful.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Only one officer was put on unpaid leave due to his inconsistent account. Besides that guy, I have not read that there were other officers put on unpaid leave for any reason in regards to this shooting.

I got that from this news link
http://www.local10.com/news/attorne...-police-shooting-asks-doj-to-investigate-case

"A second police officer, Cmdr. Emile Hollant, was placed on leave without pay, because investigators said he gave inconsistent accounts of the shooting."

 

[Jax49]

I got that from this news link
http://www.local10.com/news/attorne...-police-shooting-asks-doj-to-investigate-case

"A second police officer, Cmdr. Emile Hollant, was placed on leave without pay, because investigators said he gave inconsistent accounts of the shooting."

The shooter was placed on paid leave.

Aledda has been placed on administrative leave with pay as is standard in a police-involved shooting.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Each of the protesters was given the opportunity to write out a complaint, and met personally 1:1 with an officer. Once that was done, the "message delivered", the area needs to be cleared to make room for others without harassment or intimidation from a crowd of disgruntled protesters, and to provide safety in a volatile crowd situation. Yes, indeed, the group should be asked to move to another location to continue their protest. And it was quite hospitable for the police to set up a tent, podium, and provide water. They didn't have to do any of that.

There is no "right" to protest (or harass, or intimidate, or vandalize, or obstruct business, or occupy, or trash) anywhere they wish. A civilized society has laws, rules, and ordinances. Wth all of the recent crowd violence everywhere, security has to be a serious concern. They can exercise their free speech rights, but not illegally assemble or occupy. SCOTUS has affirmed placing limits and restrictions on how, where, and when people can "express themselves". They have been provided a nice space right outside the main entrance. They should use it. IMO.

Sadly, the BLM and other protesters will ruin public perception of this terrible case with their protesting behavior, IMO. This is one of the cases that has serious issues with how it unfolded, and the protesters, IMO, are going to cause the public to lump this case in with the cases of criminals shot by police and protested by BLM. This case is unique. Mr. KInsey is a hero, and deserves at least as much $$ payout as the families of criminals killed who actually fought with officers and took their guns. I hate that BLM is involved with this at all. It cheapens the whole thing, IMO, and casts Mr. Kinsey as one of the common criminals they usually support, which can't be further from the truth.

BLM should sit this one out in deference to the victims, who deserve much more respect than BLM can bring. The protesters are only hurting this case, IMO.

Making my blood boil.

 

[jjenny]

Perhaps my question was a bit unclear. To me the fact that they gave an inconsistent account to the extent that one officer claimed they were not even at the scene of the shooting tells me that it was more then just a mistake. That was why I asked my question because I find that a bit odd and not in line the version of the event that the police are giving.

So I will rephrase my question. Does anyone else find it strange given the story that the police are telling us about why the shooting occurred that two different officers were put on unpaid leave due to inconsistent accounts they gave of what occurred?

Only one officer gave inconsistent accounts and was placed on unpaid leave.

 

[al66pine]

They don't really WANT to be heard by the police or city officials, because those are not people they value. They want to be heard by the media and their social media followers, who would not be impressed by them using the facilities offered to them, because it's not divisive enough to hold their attention. Everything has to be a smack-down, or it's not worth doing.

Yes, you nailed it.
"They don't really WANT to be heard by the police or city officials... They want to be heard by the media...
Everything has to be a smack-down, or it's not worth doing." bbm sbm

 

[human]

Why would they not want to be heard over this travesty? It is so disgusting IMHO. A totally unwarranted shooting. Ugly

 

[ZooSleuth]

Yes, you nailed it.
"They don't really WANT to be heard by the police or city officials... They want to be heard by the media...
Everything has to be a smack-down, or it's not worth doing." bbm sbm

Ever considered that they might have gone to the police and city officials in the past and nothing was done so their next best option is to expose it to the media?

 

[al66pine]

Ever considered that they might have gone to the police and city officials in the past and nothing was done so their next best option is to expose it to the media?

^ Good point.
They may have not made progress at rate they expected. Or may not have made any progress. Or may not have tried. IDK. I snipped this from one of my posts a day or two ago

"How/why do protestors/demonstrators/occupiers think their unlawful actions in blockading residential or neighborhoods, streets, public highways - that is, to the extent the actions are unlawful - will help them in achieving their purported objective, reducing/preventing LEOs from using firearms, injuring or killing PoCs?"

"Have ppl protesting/demonstrating/occupying contacted/tried to contact their local PD & LE officials, city & county officials, st reps, st sen's, fed congressperson, fed sen's? Not by melodramatic entrances of ppl shoving their way into an office, w livestream, but by civilized communications requesting meeting at scheduled times? Has anyone prevented them from trying to make changes from within our system of exec, legis, & judicial branches? IDK." bbm

 

[CCmakes3]

Why would they not want to be heard over this travesty? It is so disgusting IMHO. A totally unwarranted shooting. Ugly

IDK. Maybe I'm wrong. I agree with you that this is one case BLM should be hanging their hat on.