GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #1

[blue22]

"Rayne Perrywinkle called the Sheriff’s Office about 11 p.m. Friday saying her daughter had gone to a McDonald’s with a man named Don a half-hour earlier and not returned."

Ohhh, how interesting how when the police arrived she knew where the daughter was supposed to be and how long ago she left. Hmmm, that doesn't sound much like the damage-control story she told to the media about not realizing her daughter wandered off. Also a more precise timeline of events in the article. Mom called 911 at 11:18 p.m. and officers arrived at 11:28. If I recall correctly, Perv and Cherish left the store at 10:40. Interesting to note that Walmart closes at 11:00.

Please also note that quote says "her daughter had gone to a McDonald's with a man named Don," not "the McDonald's."

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-06-25/story/jacksonville-sheriff-orders-investigation-delay-notifying-public#ixzz2XGpWrUzB

The 911 call will prove she is lying. She admits it was 30 minutes. Yep. The store is closing, and she realizes they are gone. I wonder how long it would have taken, if the store hadn't been closing? Oh, and "A" Mcdonalds? :banghead:

ETA:
Rayne never let the children out of her sight," said Aharon Pearson, Rayne Perrywinkle's boyfriend.
Except when she did. For 30 minutes. With a stranger.

 

[necco]

They have clothes at Dollar General? (Forgive me, I'm a Northerner.)

 

[Donjeta]

"Rayne never ever gave that man permission to take Cherish to McDonalds. Rayne never let the children out of her sight," said Aharon Pearson, Rayne Perrywinkle's boyfriend.

"Actually she was very uncomfortable, she admitted. And when they got to Walmart Rayne was busy looking at clothes and stuff. I guess this Donald guy said something to Cherish behind Rayne's back about going to McDonalds," said Pearson.

Pearson said Perrywinkle never allowed Cherish to go with Smith, but it was too late when she noticed Cherish was gone. He said she looked around the store for 20 minutes before realizing Cherish had been taken.

I see this as damage control because if you never let your children out of your sight they have to be in front of you and no one's going to talk to them behind your back and you'd probably notice the child's gone before 20 minutes have passed.

 

[KMouse]

Totally respectfully, may I ask why people find this alarming? I guess I'm not seeing what others are seeing. He's still one of her two legal parents, he hasn't lost parental rights...as far as I know, there was no legal reason the school wouldn't/couldn't contact him, especially if they are confronted with a non-responsive mother. I would think they'd contact mom if she's custodial, then dad (custodial or not), then CPS if neither is responsive.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs97/p97527/Exh_5_1.asp

Section 99.4 gives an example of the rights of parents. An educational agency or institution shall give full rights under the Act to either parent, unless the agency or institution has been provided with evidence that there is a court order, State statute, or legally binding document relating to such matters as divorce, separation, or custody, that specifically revokes these rights.This means that, in the case of divorce or separation, a school district must provide access to both natural parents, custodial and non-custodial, unless there is a legally binding document that specifically removes that parent's FERPA rights. In this context, a legally binding document is a court order or other legal paper that prohibits access to education record, or removes the parent's rights to have knowledge about his or her child's education.
Custody or other residential arrangements for a child do not, by themselves, affect the FERPA rights of the child's parents. One can best understand the FERPA position on parents' rights by separating the concept of custody from the concept of rights that FERPA gives parents. Custody, as a legal concept, establishes where a child will live, and often, the duties of the person(s) with whom the child lives. The FERPA, on the other hand, simply establishes the parents' right of access to and control of education record related to the child.


I know on all my children's school forms, it has us list info for both parents, and asks specifically if the child lives with one parent or both. But AFAIK, by law, he has a right to equal info about the child through the school so long as he is her legal parent, custodial or not, and so long is there is no legal barrier (i.e. restraining order or judicial ruling barring parental access).

I'm married with kids, never been divorced/had custody issues, so I'm just curious where people see the problem with the school contacting dad about health/education/before and/or after school transportation issues, if only to make him aware especially if mom is non-responsive and they think perhaps he can help with a remedy to the problem, out of state or not...

Just askin', and very respectfully, I hope! :seeya:

I don't have a problem with the school contacting a non custodial parent. For all we know the Dad would contact the school on a regular basis to get updates on his daughter's progress.

Maybe it's just different there than it is where I live. I thought that if there were child welfare concerns teachers are required to call CPS. Time will tell if they did or not.

I think some people here are confusing my ignorance of the process in Florida schools with labeling the father with being a non-involved parent.

We do not know the father's daily involvement with Cherish and it really doesn't matter.

I will say that I find the father's lawyer's comments about the mother offensive. It's not the time or place to drag the mother through the mud.

 

[blue22]

I will say that I find the father's lawyer's comments about the mother offensive. It's not the time or place to drag the mother through the mud.

That was the father's statement through the lawyer. I actually find his words pretty restrained, given what happened to his daughter, and the fact that the mother was so negligent.

 

[AstroKitty]

DG sells clothing? Seriously, I had no idea. I figured they don't and that is why they went to WM.

Yep. I looked at their website and they carry name brands and things. Not too sure how much is in the store but I think it's basic small collections of items. The dollar tree sells clothes (nothing extensive, it's mostly panties, socks and white tees).

 

[AstroKitty]

I know the stores aren't an actual issue here (as far as what they sell) but here are the websites to give everyone an idea of what they carry in stock and also the price range.

I work better with visuals and an idea of cost.
http://www.dollargeneral.com/home/index.jsp
http://www.walmart.com

 

[iamnotagolem]

I have a question too. Does Dollar General carry dresses for girls? Consistently? It's been a while since I've been in one and I don't remember seeing a lot (if any) clothing items other that socks/underwear, flip-flops, that kind of stuff.

Dollar general typically does carry a good bit of clothing. I cAnt speak specifically to the one they were at, though.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Yep. I looked at their website and they carry name brands and things. Not too sure how much is in the store but I think it's basic small collections of items. The dollar tree sells clothes (nothing extensive, it's mostly panties, socks and white tees).

my 99cents only store sells salmon and plants, so go figure. Thanks for confirming.

 

[Magdalyn]

Again, forgive me if this has already been posted:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/317848/483/Funeral-arrangements-made-for-Cherish

 

[bdawk20]

There's just issues all over the place with this Walmart trip. Of course all the ones you all have already posted, but why would you be in there for 3 hours and still have an empty cart at almost closing time? I guess she was still waiting on the imaginary gift card before she started shopping?
Her story is a total mess, to put it mildly.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

OT but I am surprised that the wife of an evaluator is posting publicly. I really don't think it is her place to comment on one of her husband's case files.

You are correct. It is totally inappropriate. In fact, she should not know anything about the case to be posting about it. The husband should not be sharing client information with his spouse. Major ethics violation.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'm not sure I understand why Rayne and Ahron keep speaking to the media. Are they trying to do damage control? Clearly she was negligent which lead to her daughter's death, why not just keep quiet and grieve this horrible tragedy? It seems like every interview done by either one of them only makes them look worse.

 

[necco]

I know the stores aren't an actual issue here (as far as what they sell) but here are the websites to give everyone an idea of what they carry in stock and also the price range.

I work better with visuals and an idea of cost.
http://www.dollargeneral.com/home/index.jsp
http://www.walmart.com

Thank you. I was completely wrong about what a Dollar General was. I thought it was one of those "everything is a dollar" places but it seems to be more like an odd lots store.

 

[Magdalyn]

my 99cents only store sells salmon and plants, so go figure. Thanks for confirming.

If I'm remembering correctly, there's 99 cents store and "Dollar Stores" which carry things that only cost 99 or a dollar... but Dollar General has lots of things that are more (or less) than a dollar. Just a varying/seasonal collection of inexpensive stuff.

 

[KMouse]

That was the father's statement through the lawyer. I actually find his words pretty restrained, given what happened to his daughter, and the fact that the mother was so negligent.

As a lawyer I wouldn't repeat it in the media out of respect to the deceased child and her family.

I am not saying Dad does not have the right to be angry but sometimes it is not appropriate to express such anger in a public forum.

 

[Donjeta]

There's just issues all over the place with this Walmart trip. Of course all the ones you all have already posted, but why would you be in there for 3 hours and still have an empty cart at almost closing time? I guess she was still waiting on the imaginary gift card before she started shopping?
Her story is a total mess, to put it mildly.

The later it got the less likely that anyone's going to show up with a gift card.

 

[Magdalyn]

You are correct. It is totally inappropriate. In fact, she should not know anything about the case to be posting about it. The husband should not be sharing client information with his spouse. Major ethics violation.

Totally off topic, but are the two of you (my_tee_mouse and KMouse) related?

 

[KMouse]

You are correct. It is totally inappropriate. In fact, she should not know anything about the case to be posting about it. The husband should not be sharing client information with his spouse. Major ethics violation.

ITA

I work in a field where I cannot and do not share confidential info. with my husband. Never have. Never will.

 

[mrsward]

This article says mom allowed cherish to go with him while she browsed , so many version of events its getting confusing..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...winkle-girl-abducted-Walmart-denied-bail.html