GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #1

[Gypsy Road]

JSO police report here:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/media/...98afcb0/JSOPoliceReport_SmithCriminalPast.pdf

 

[mysticrose]

Really I do not think that that matters, maybe she called in an instance, it does not excuse her three prior hours of bad decisions.

It does matter, as alot of post are reffering to it as fact, fact needs a link or it is just rumor...

 

[Inspector Gidget]

This really breaks my heart and makes me angry.This beautiful little girl had nothing but trust of 2 adults,her mother and Smith.Then

the worst thing imaginable happens and now she is deceased.Smith just got out on May 31.Why do they let these sex offenders out?

They will do it again and again.Our justice system needs to be reformed.It just doesn't work anymore.

 

[margarita25]

as usual, the creepy white van...

 

[mysticrose]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/media/...98afcb0/JSOPoliceReport_SmithCriminalPast.pdf

So according to the police report the officers responded to the kidnapping at 23:18 (11:18 pm)

The van was seen leaving the parking lot at 22:41 (10:41 pm)

yes so almost 40 minutes. When they mean responded I take that as physically showed up to take the report not when the call came in, it could have taken them 10 - 20 mins to get there.

 

[manzana]

What ever happened to the three strike law? Yeah I know it got some flack for a few who stole a loaf of bread on their third offense, BUT THIS GUY had a couple of decades in JACKSONVILLE with serious offenses and getting slapped on the wrist continuously.

 

[Inspector Gidget]

I have never been a single mom,but I know a few.They don't have it easy,living off of government help and in fear of not knowing when the roof will cave in above them. As far as child support many don't get it,for a lot of reasons.They want their children to have all of the nice things other kids have.I think Charish's mother was in a vulnerable state at the time,maybe wishing she could buy something for her.This man came along and at first instinct she didn't trust him but later thought maybe he just wants to help us out.I am not taking up for her action,just trying to understand her mindset at the time.

 

[Inspector Gidget]

as usual, the creepy white van...

There have been so many white vans involved in abductions,when I see one on the highway I try to stay as far away as I can.Just call me paranoid.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Not trying to to rock the boat and I know it's not popular to say, but I think this is still a victim friendly site. I believe Mom is still a victim in this case. Law enforcement has not said otherwise at this point. She may have done things that many of us don't understand, but accusing her of criminal activity seems rather harsh to me.

 

[Kaliste]

Not trying to to rock the boat and I know it's not popular to say, but I think this is still a victim friendly site. I believe Mom is still a victim in this case. Law enforcement has not said otherwise at this point. She may have done things that many of us don't understand, but accusing her of criminal activity seems rather harsh to me.

This is just such a difficult case. Its really 2 trains of thought pulling at eachother in my heart. The pain and anguish she must feel , the heartbreak vs the whole "what the H were you thinking?!" aspect of this case. I don't believe she (in her mind) set out to intentionally harm her child in any way. I fully believe she loves her children as much as we all love ours. But it was just so avoidable and that's what pains me most right now. I can't understand why this happened and I want to. I think mom may be the type to believe the best in people, to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, etc. but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. This is beyond poor judgement it's endangerment through and through.

 

[The Cheese]

Rayne Perrywinkle tells Action News that Donald Smith approached her inside the Dollar General on Edgewood Avenue, after he overheard her telling her daughter that she couldn't afford a dress the girl was asking for.

"He saw me putting things back because I couldn't afford them, and he offered to help me pay for some other items with a Walmart gift card that his wife had. We waited in that parking lot for a long time for her to come to the store, but then he said she [his wife] wanted him to meet her at the Walmart."

Perrywinkle told Action News she thought Smith was "creepy and annoying," but eventually seemed genuine in his offer to help.

"Part of me wanted to believe this was a blessing for my children, and that's what I kept telling myself, but when we got in the car I felt very tense and was sitting straight up."

Perrywinkle says she felt uneasy as soon as she got into Smith's van.

Perrywinkle says Smith continued to follow her every move inside the Walmart and insisted his wife was on her way. As they waited for his "wife" to arrive, he yelled "from across the way" and said he was going to McDonald's for a burger.

"He asked if I wanted anything and I heard Cherish say 'cheeseburger.' I thought she stayed near me. I didn't realize she went with him. I didn't let her go with him like people think. He was creepy, so I wouldn't have let her go, I just didn't realize she was gone."

Director Mike Williams of the JSO's Investigations and Homeland Security Division said Saturday that the amount of time between Cherish's disappearance and the time her mother called 911 for help was "not long."

http://www.fox30jax.com/content/top...Highlands-Baptist/oT9WC_Sw0kG2fhwfCYpblQ.cspx

 

[helpful]

I get that people are inclined to blame the mother, but I also hope that all of us posting here are so privileged that we are able to make mistakes in our lives without facing such devastating consequences.

:banghead:

 

[Perodicticus potto]

This mother should not be bashed, she just lost her daughter to a monster,a spawn of satan ! Reading along on some of these sights perhaps she does feel the need to come forward with what happened as people are ruthless and perhaps it is part of how she is coping with what has happened...

Exactly. I'm thinking the public's anger would be more appropriately directed at the man who actually killed the poor child.

 

[necco]

Huh. I thought we were a victim friendly forum. Not only are people sitting in judgment of this mother at the worst time in her life but some are actually putting forth theories that this was about criminal activity? Accusing her of trying to get drugs? Now, I know WalMart carries almost everything, but I don't remember there being a crack, crank and smack aisle the last time I was there.

She's not a suspect. She's a victim.

 

[Strangeworld]

I get why people are protective of the mother. But the victim here is Charish. It seems ok to me that we consider ALL the factors that lead to her terrible and avoidable death.

Weighing up the choices the mother made is not 'bashing' her. It is a learning process for any parent - what did she do and what choices did she make that ultimately contributed to Charish's outcome. Her mother didn't kill her. But the choices she made contributed to Charish been in a vulnerable position that lead to her death.

Ignoring the obvious facts in this scenario (and I'm not necessarily agreeing with some of the theories put forward, just the facts such as what the mother herself has stated to the media) seems ignorant. Every child deserves to be protected. Whilst child sex offenders are out there on the streets, every child's parent or guardian needs to protect them, supervise them where possible.

My biggest gripe with this mother's actions is that she has clearly admitted that she felt uneasy in this man (animal)'s company. Yet she did not approach Walmart management to report that he was hanging around her, she did enter his vehicle with her children even though she felt uneasy, and she didn't keep her children close and 100% supervised even though this 'creepy' man was interacting with them.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I get that people are inclined to blame the mother, but I also hope that all of us posting here are so privileged that we are able to make mistakes in our lives without facing such devastating consequences.

:banghead:

By mistakes do you mean talking to strangers ? Taking gifts from strangers? Getting in a strangers van with her 3 children? Feeling someone is "creepy" but yet staying in their company with them for hours? Or not being aware of where your 8 yr old is when the"creepy" man leaves your site?
I was taught as a child to never do any of the above, my mother never did any of the above with me and my sisters.When I had my own children I also taught them to never do the above and I also never did the above with them.This was extremely poor judgement on her moms end, had nothing bad happened that night her mothers actions would have at the very least thrown out all the stranger danger Charish was taught at school and left her wide open to predators.Sadly the worse happened to her.If 1 mother reads us discussing these bad judgements her mother made it just might help another child not become someones victim.

 

[Eileen730]

Yet she claims:



Since it took her 40 minutes to realize her daughter was gone, it seems that the account she gave reporters is not true.

Well lets see!
The wanted food was going to McD's asked if anyone wanted anything,
Charish hollered out Cheeseburger, Mom thought cherish was there with her.
After they didn't return Id say maybe 10 mins she went looking for them.
Went to the McD's then probably walked the aisles up and down looking for her....
Id think she wuld then go to customer service and they would page the child and walk the aisles looking for her,

I can see a 40 min delay in contacting LE.

Im not saying that's how it happened but how it could have happened,
W-mart has cameras and im sure its all on video,

 

[pukasonqo2]

this might not be relevant but, i read somewhere that the stranger dangereducation has one flaw with young kids: if the stranger gives the child his/her name he then stops being a stranger and the child might then not see him/her as a threat.
sadly for this little one, her mum's lack of judgement put her in this man's path...

 

[revampz]

Oh my god.....I have just read this story and I can not believe it. How awful....that poor little girl and what a sick evil man he is to do this.... this is the stuff nightmares are made of.

And yes like the rest of you I am fuming. I am so sick of do gooders and their rehabilitation carp. Do these psychologists on parole boards not think that quite often these men well tell them a load of bulls..t to get out of prison earlier. Please do not take it personally anyone working in that field, but sometimes I think that some of them think they know their stuff so well that they can see what the person is all about and therefore unable to be manipulated. I know of one case (custody battle) where a person put forward a fake personality altogether to con a psychologist and it worked. They boasted about it.

Your judicial system is tougher than ours in Australia however there is now starting to be an outcry about the ridiculousness of prisoners getting early parole.

Tonight on our version of Sixty Minutes there was a segment dedicated to it. The Jill Meagher case has really peeved of the general public over here. For those that don't know, she was raped and murdered last year. The guy who did it was 41 and had raped 22 yes 22 women and was out on parole awaiting another 5 rape cases and an assault charge when he murdered her. A psychologist on the parole board has said he wouldn't reoffend!!!!!!!!!!! gggggrrrrr. Now there are parents suing the government over here in similar cases for undue care (think that is the term).

I know I have gone off topic, but lets hope the lax judicial system in our countries toughens up so there aren't as many poor victims like Charish and Jill.

 

[Really?]

Oy vey.....1981 lewd assault on child....waste of space and resources. Shoulda been long gone.