GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #3

[Miss_Diana]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/motion...-case/-/475880/21311406/-/hb264m/-/index.html

Thanks so much Magdalyn!

They're trying to keep the Walmart surveillance video away from the media?

Darn! I really wanted to see that!! The 911 call too? :maddening:

 

[MadamReporter]

Pearson lives in Gainesville Florida and no longer "dates" ( his word ) Rayne- according to his last MSM interview, so how was he in Jax to get hit with a glass??

The kids are in foster care- so I do not see a reason for him to be in her home, even if he was in Jax to see the girls.

MomR, I'm having deja vu reading this story. Isn't this the EXACT same story that AP told CPS years ago, verbatim?? He had moved out at that time too, but some how he was in the kitchen when Rayne started throwing dishes and cups and he and/or his son got hit with the flying flatware "by accident"?

I guess Rayne figured out a way to get free room and board and still not have to get a job, and build her insanity defense all at the same time. Win-win for her.

 

[momrids6]

MomR, I'm having deja vu reading this story. Isn't this the EXACT same story that AP told CPS years ago, verbatim?? He had moved out at that time too, but some how he was in the kitchen when Rayne started throwing dishes and cups and he and/or his son got hit with the flying flatware "by accident"?

:seeya: Madam!


Yes, it is...

 

[mikeysmommom]

She is something else! She should never be in charge of those 2 girls again and any other babies if she still can have them.She thinks she will get positive attention acting this way.In her twisted way of thinking she thinks if the judge thinks she is falling apart since she is a grieving mom and she has lost her other daughters maybe she will get them back.She is doing everything the opposite of what a clear thinking mom would be doing if she wanted her daughters home.She has always been a danger and always will be to any child in her care.You can not teach someone common sense nor can you teach someone to be a mother when it just does not exist within her.RP has made one mistake after the other for the past 9 years and I am sure more likely her whole life. I hope the judge keeps those kids away from this unstable woman and man.

 

[MadamReporter]

Anyone else find it coincidental that this "suicide threat" and involuntary hospitalization comes less than 48 hours before Rayne's scheduled court appearance where, ironically, the judge will learn the results of the drug test they administered at her last court appearance???

And if this suicide threat were real, um, why is anyone stepping in to stop her?

 

[Magdalyn]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/cheris...iend/-/475880/21545692/-/148q4gm/-/index.html

The two younger sisters of Cherish Perrywinkle remain in the care of a family friend following a custody hearing Tuesday, and their mother, Rayne Perrywinkle, had her visitation rights further limited.

At the hearing, the girls' father, Aharon Pearson, admitted he used drugs two weeks ago, and Judge David Gooding denied visitation rights for him. He previously missed most of his court-ordered visitation with the girls

It also states her drug test came back negative.

 

[Magdalyn]

Also, from this article about Rayne being Baker Acted:

Prosecutors said they will seek the death penalty against Smith for kidnapping and strangling Cherish in June.

I'm not sure if that had been stated outright before, probably has, but I do like seeing it in writing! :rocker:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...ld-for-evaluation/W2zoU9DPQ0GrsBhfnJ04OQ.cspx

 

[peedoffinny]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/cheris...iend/-/475880/21545692/-/148q4gm/-/index.html





It also states her drug test came back negative.

Maybe that's why she was breaking glasses and flipping out. Probably going through withdrawal.

 

[QueenD]

Maybe that's why she was breaking glasses and flipping out. Probably going through withdrawal.

I find it interesting that the father of the 2 girls who is wanting custody missed 2 of his scheduled visitation. Really? If you are trying to show the courts your responsible you're going to miss scheduled visitation? He doesn't have a job? No excuse, moo. Also tested positive for drugs last week.

I know this is hard on those 2 girls, but they are better off without those 2 so called parents.

 

[SouthAussie]

The man accused of kidnapping and killing 8-year-old Cherish Perrywinkle appeared in court Thursday as his lawyers seek to seal discovery materials, such as 911 calls and surveillance video from the media.

Fred Gazaleh wants eight kinds of discovery materials sealed from the news media, including witness information, crime scene photos and any photos with Smith in them. Additionally, he wants to seal phone calls and statements, including 911 recordings, statements from Smith to law enforcement, jail phone calls and visits.

Judge Mallory Cooper said she will take her time in considering what to do. Smith's next pretrial hearing is Sept. 4. Cooper said she may have an order by then.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/attorn...ence/-/475880/21578050/-/14a3yg6/-/index.html



This kind of action is time-wasting and expensive. These crims need to understand that they live in the world of rapid and vast information delivery to a worldwide forum. If you don’t want to be plastered all over the internet, don’t rape and murder little children.

 

[Tonya421]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/attorn...ence/-/475880/21578050/-/14a3yg6/-/index.html



This kind of action is time-wasting and expensive. These crims need to understand that they live in the world of rapid and vast information delivery to a worldwide forum. If you don’t want to be plastered all over the internet, don’t rape and murder little children.

Absolutely! But, as his defense attorney, they are going to do everything they can to avoid, procrastinate, and throw responsibility on anyone/everyone they can think of (get ready RP).

One question about the fb page; I've been a "member" of this closed group for a while, but now I can't find it in my liked pages, page feeds, or groups. I'm wondering if I've been cut out, possibly because I never post anything, just lurk and read. And I've gone totally blank on the name of the page, probably because of sleep deprivation. I've tried looking up Cherishs' name, but don't come up with anything. Anyone have any ideas?
TIA

 

[floridamomma]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/cheris...aring/-/475880/21624528/-/r2p60m/-/index.html

"She was very short with her children, very agitated during her entire visit," said Amanda Shortino, a family case worker. "She wasn't even nice to them at all during her visit. She didn't speak to them until they came to her."

Counselors say Perrywinkle has been agitated, angry and critical of her children. They say she disobeyed orders from counselors who asked her not to talk about Cherish's death without the presence of a family counselor.

 

[floridamomma]

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Absolutely! But, as his defense attorney, they are going to do everything they can to avoid, procrastinate, and throw responsibility on anyone/everyone they can think of (get ready RP).

One question about the fb page; I've been a "member" of this closed group for a while, but now I can't find it in my liked pages, page feeds, or groups. I'm wondering if I've been cut out, possibly because I never post anything, just lurk and read. And I've gone totally blank on the name of the page, probably because of sleep deprivation. I've tried looking up Cherishs' name, but don't come up with anything. Anyone have any ideas?
TIA

Check your groups on the left hand side of your FB, you might have to click on "groups" but it should be listed there if you're a member. Otherwise, I'd send another request?

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/cheris...aring/-/475880/21624528/-/r2p60m/-/index.html

"She was very short with her children, very agitated during her entire visit," said Amanda Shortino, a family case worker. "She wasn't even nice to them at all during her visit. She didn't speak to them until they came to her."

Counselors say Perrywinkle has been agitated, angry and critical of her children. They say she disobeyed orders from counselors who asked her not to talk about Cherish's death without the presence of a family counselor.

:banghead: wow.

 

[QueenD]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/cheris...aring/-/475880/21624528/-/r2p60m/-/index.html

"She was very short with her children, very agitated during her entire visit," said Amanda Shortino, a family case worker. "She wasn't even nice to them at all during her visit. She didn't speak to them until they came to her."

Counselors say Perrywinkle has been agitated, angry and critical of her children. They say she disobeyed orders from counselors who asked her not to talk about Cherish's death without the presence of a family counselor.

Not surprised at all of Perrywinkle behavior.

 

[Magdalyn]

:banghead: wow.

No kidding. Between reading how AP can't be bothered to even show up for visitations with his own daughters (when he knows he is under the CPS microscope), and now how RP behaves toward her children during visitation (again, knowing she's very much under CPS microscope), it seems to me that it's not the actual children they miss/are desperate to get back...it's the income/entitlements (from the state) the children provide.

RP has been attempting to raise children for over twenty years and has failed spectacularly, twice--one ending with abandonment, the other with extreme endangerment on her part, leading to the rape and death of her child. There should be no more chances for these parents. No reunification. It is unfathomable to me that the Florida CPS has any real expectation that these people are going to pull it together, once and for all, at their advanced age, and as long as they've been parents and in the CPS system. On record there are chronic issues with homelessness, chronic issues with unemployment, there's been history of abandonment, child endangerment, child death, two baker acts, and domestic violence. To top it off, they can't even seem to fake 'turning it around' or fake 'attempting to turn it around' for a measly 6 weeks while they lobby to get their kids back. They either can't be bothered with visitation, or they traumatize the girls during visitation.

IMO, PR and AP are now further victimizing these children, emotionally, and are attempting to (by regaining custody) victimize them financially.

These girls deserve better.

:stormingmad:

 

[poppyfrock]

RSBM:

No kidding. Between reading how AP can't be bothered to even show up for visitations with his own daughters (when he knows he is under the CPS microscope), and now how RP behaves toward her children during visitation (again, knowing she's very much under CPS microscope), it seems to me that it's not the actual children they miss/are desperate to get back...it's the income/entitlements (from the state) the children provide.

Yes, if they treat their children like this under strict supervision, can you imagine how they treat them in private behind closed doors? I shudder to think! It's bad enough how they treat them at Walmart and CPS visitation!

 

[neenna66]

I tried to post a thoughtful reply to this but I will admit that I struggle with being sympathetic to this woman but I do think you're on to something. RP does not function, in any way, as that of a neuro-typical woman of her given age. She comes across as being closer to a young teen and with that in mind I'm not shocked that tragedy ensued.

Rayne makes me also think of someone who has been so violated and not given proper life skills, that she just stopped maturing mentally/emotionally. Not saying that to cut her down or to build anyone who hates her up. I have stayed away from this thread because of some of the hatred spewed towards her on here as well as across the internet. I realized that here along with the articles and blog posts that nothing I say about my opinion on this case matters. Those who have formed their own opinion, will not be swayed. However I do think it is pretty scary when you have people who have absolutely no idea on what emotions a mother (even a mother who has emotional issues) would have. The behaviors I have seen in articles from people commenting and also in 'groups' on Facebook set up to be a memorial group for this precious child as well as on specific people's Facebook walls is horrendous.

As I am still a fairly new member here, I do not know what is allowed and what is not allowed. I can provide links to where a stranger to rayne engages in stalking and harassment. That is scary behavior. Who in here would think that committing these crimes (and yes they are crimes - I know by speaking to justice coalition that rayne does now want publicity, she has avoided it) by photographing rayne without her knowledge and placing it on the internet for a discussion as to what was said to her (ie. Rayne is a horrible mother). Yes you might feel like doing this but that is some strange behavior. I would NEVER walk up to a stranger after photographing her, scream at her about how horrible she is, then go home and post that picture on the internet and proceed to brag about blindsiding her. That is wrong on so many levels.

Anyone who thinks that is OK has a screw loose. And to clarify, I do not know rayne, although I have contacted the church where they had the service once, the justice coalition three times, and have emailed several people on her friends list. As I have said before, I would never have let my child go and rayne was wrong for that, whether she let cherish go or whether cherish went without rayne knowing.

But I do have a point here. Anyone who turns to drugs or alcohol stunts their emotional/mental growth. I am a recovering alcoholic. Been sober for 23 years now. Started drinking at 15. When I quit at 21, I was about 15 emotionally. Now I am about 35-38 emotionally, because I removed the artificial crap (alcohol) that was keeping me from growing up. If everything stated here, in the comments on articles, and in blogs/articles is true and she is a drug addict, she has basically stopped her emotional growth. Yes a choice she made. But unless you are an addict or an alcoholic you do not undstand that sometimes (all the time) that choice was a chouce the first time you drink or use, but not afterwards. It is a disease of mind, body, and spirit. So to say, oh she is an addict, it should be understood that this is a disease! And i can give links for that as well.

Now I am stepping off my soapbox, and will read and maybe chime in with answers to questions about locations/locales etc as I am fairly close to j-ville. If the screenshots/links/etc can be posted I am sure I will be told. If i put too much in here and broke a rule then this will get snipped. If it does get snipped, I really hope that the message of how scary some of the behaviors happening by complete strangers is to rayne. When I called the justice coalition and the church, I told them I know how rayne feels. Not because I did what she did, but because the feeling any person has when faced with burying your child. And lucky me, I got to do it three times. I am so very grateful the internet was not around when I lost my children (and I was never charged with anything because it was an accident) because there would have been people out there just like the ones in this case who are busy pointing fingers and being vicious. There are people on here who changed their signature file o call me out on the fact that when i type on my tablet, even though I do hit all the keys, sometimes some are missed. Does that make you feel good? Feel superior? I am sure this will get snipped or removed, because in watching the threads about cherish and the famiy dynamics, I am noticing that the vitriol towards rayne and the removal of comments about her is very few and far between. I truly hope this can stay so people can look at this and say hey maybe that was weird. Or maybe I need to not be so judgmental. Or maybe I need to learn a little compassion. Or maybe it will get snipped. I feel better for having expressed my opinion. I think I really needed to do that.

 

[No Stone Unturned]

We see this happen on a daily basis. A monster like DS swoops in and takes the life of a child. We are going through it again over on Adriaunna Horton's thread.

The difference here is that RP put her family in harm's way. Is she a negligent parent? Definitely. Should she be charged with negligence? Yes. Was she loving parent? I think she was. Is she grieving the loss of Cherish? Yes.

In my mind, these points can co-exist.

 

[neenna66]

We see this happen on a daily basis. A monster like DS swoops in and takes the life of a child. We are going through it again over on Adriaunna Horton's thread.

The difference here is that RP put her family in harm's way. Is she a negligent parent? Definitely. Should she be charged with negligence? Yes. Was she loving parent? I think she was. Is she grieving the loss of Cherish? Yes.

In my mind, these points can co-exist.

I agree with all of your points. I think RP needs some intensive help. Do I think she needs massive jail time or worse like some want? No I think intensive probation and help are what she needs. I just get so scared when I see some of the pure rage directed at her in the ways it is. Like I said, I am so grateful the internet was not around when i lost my kids. These same people tearing rayne apart would have torn me apart. I don't know how I would have been dealt with someone taking my picture while I was at a store and then screaming at me about it. That is scary.