GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #3

[Donjeta]

http://staugustine.com/news/florida-news/2013-07-11-0#.UeFCq21xNLQ

It’s impossible to know what treatment, if any, that 56-year-old Donald James Smith — arrested June 22 in 8-year-old Cherish’s death — may have received in state prison.

Florida Department of Corrections spokeswoman Ann Howard said Smith’s probation file has been destroyed due to their retention policy to keep records for three to five years. Most of the prison file is also gone, she said, but even if it were available, information about his mental health treatment would be protected by federal health privacy laws.

He was required to see a counselor during parole, records show, and for three years, he was detained in the Florida Civil Commitment Center for treatment under a law for violent sexual offenders. But even there, patients can’t be forced to take part in counseling.

 

[vasportsmom]

There is NO treatment for these horrid people! There never has been. Lock them up and throw away the key! :furious:

No kidding! You can't treat evil any more than you can teach common sense. DS should never take another breath as a free man and RP (and her charming chosen mate) should never be given access to another child again. We need to protect our children and stop worrying about "helping" those that take their lives.

 

[Magdalyn]

"Cherish and her mother were shopping for clothes the night before the 8-year-old was scheduled to fly to California for the summer.
A trip to see her father, Billy Jarreau. A trip she never got to make.
“He was going to pick her up at six in the morning and instead he received a phone call from detectives that they found his daughter dead,” said Gerald Wilkerson, Jarreau’s attorney. " http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-Cherish/GrJtME0BWUC_TFTC4rTfRA.cspx?rss=1931

BBM. If Cherish was supposed to be picked up by her dad at 6am, then WTF was Rayne doing with her out at 11pm? How was Rayne going to get Cherish to the airport if Rayne didn;t have a car and didnt have the money to take a cab?? I want to know because it looks like Rayne had no intention of putting Cherish on that flight. There is more to this that Rayne is telling.

I can't find a Saturday direct flight from Jacksonville to San Diego. There had to be at least 1 layover (ATL, Dallas, etc)/plane change. The shortest flight I could find with only one layover was 6 hours. Which means if she would have to be taking a red eye to arrive at 6 am west coast time. I'm math challenged, could someone do the math for me? What time (East coast time)(accounting for the east to west time zone changes) would Cherish have to depart Jacksonville to take a 6 hour flight to arrive in SD at 6 am?

4 am? But needing to arrive to check in at 3 am? :waitasec:

Was DS allegedly going to drive them to the airport after Walmart?

RP states she doesn't have a car. She can't have been planning to just throw Cherish in a cab alone to go to the airport. You can't get an unattended kid on a plane without a guardian escorting them to the gate/or at the very least (with some airlines) formally checking them in, with ID, and signing things as their parent/guardian. IOW, a cab is not going to let an unattended 8 y.o. out at the drive up terminal, and an airline attendant isn't going to collect her/babysit her from her exiting the cab--at least not according to all the airline rules I've read. AFAIK, that service is from gate to gate, and depending on the airlines, starts only after an adult has checked the child in...in person.

So when was Rayne supposed to have her at the airport?

 

[floridamomma]

what is "IOW"?

 

[katydid23]

what is "IOW"?

In Other Words....

 

[katydid23]

I can't find a Saturday direct flight from Jacksonville to San Diego. There had to be at least 1 layover (ATL, Dallas, etc)/plane change. The shortest flight I could find with only one layover was 6 hours. Which means if she would have to be taking a red eye to arrive at 6 am west coast time. I'm math challenged, could someone do the math for me? What time (East coast time)(accounting for the east to west time zone changes) would Cherish have to depart Jacksonville to take a 6 hour flight to arrive in SD at 6 am?

4 am? But needing to arrive to check in at 3 am? :waitasec:

Was DS allegedly going to drive them to the airport after Walmart?

RP states she doesn't have a car. She can't have been planning to just throw Cherish in a cab alone to go to the airport. You can't get an unattended kid on a plane without a guardian escorting them to the gate/or at the very least (with some airlines) formally checking them in, with ID, and signing things as their parent/guardian. IOW, a cab is not going to let an unattended 8 y.o. out at the drive up terminal, and an airline attendant isn't going to collect her/babysit her from her exiting the cab--at least not according to all the airline rules I've read. AFAIK, that service is from gate to gate, and depending on the airlines, starts only after an adult has checked the child in...in person.

So when was Rayne supposed to have her at the airport?

Good points. She would have had to get a ride from someone willing to take them there around 4 am, and wait for her to return from the gate.

 

[Magdalyn]

Good points. She would have had to get a ride from someone willing to take them there around 4 am, and wait for her to return from the gate.

Exactly. Now I suppose he could have meant BJ was planning on leaving for the airport at 6--perhaps he doesn't live all that close to the airport, and with these unattended child flights, I think they also want the receiving guardian at the airport an hour early.

So perhaps her flight would have been arriving around 8 am-ish, and BJ was just leaving to get her at 6. Then Cherish's Jacksonville flight would have taken off at 6 am, with Cherish and mom needing to arrive at the airport at 5am.

I'd also like to know if Cherish was packed for the trip in any way. I got the impression she was spending the summer in CA.

"Cherish and her mother were shopping for clothes the night before the 8-year-old was scheduled to fly to California for the summer."

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...ttle-over-Cherish/GrJtME0BWUC_TFTC4rTfRA.cspx

Wow, I just noticed from the same article:

"According to the documents provided by Wilkerson from Duval county schools, Cherish missed 18 days of school in one semester."

 

[JaxFlaGal]

I researched the flights, too, back in thread 2 (#157). Carrying the information over here:

This article says that Cherish should have arrived in CA (San Diego where the father lives, I presume) around 9 AM.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...dvance-funeral

Wilkerson said he first called Jarreau Saturday at 7:30 a.m., an hour and a half before Jarreau was expecting Cherish to arrive by plane for her summer visit with him.

I assume that's 9 AM West Coast. I looked at multiple airlines' flights from JAX to SAN on Saturdays, and the first Saturday AM flights out of Jax leave Jax between 6:30 and 7:05 AM ET and arrive in SAN 10:05-10:07 AM. I couldn't locate any late night flights that would arrive in SAN any earlier in the morning on standard Saturdays. So Mom should have been planning to have Cherish at the airport Saturday for a 6:30 AM flight.

 

[Magdalyn]

I researched the flights, too, back in thread 2 (#157). Carrying the information over here:

This article says that Cherish should have arrived in CA (San Diego where the father lives, I presume) around 9 AM.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...dvance-funeral



I assume that's 9 AM West Coast. I looked at multiple airlines' flights from JAX to SAN on Saturdays, and the first Saturday AM flights out of Jax leave Jax between 6:30 and 7:05 AM ET and arrive in SAN 10:05-10:07 AM. I couldn't locate any late night flights that would arrive in SAN any earlier in the morning on standard Saturdays. So Mom should have been planning to have Cherish at the airport Saturday for a 6:30 AM flight.

TY! I just found that same article and was going to post it, but you beat me. :seeya:

 

[Salem]

I researched the flights, too, back in thread 2 (#157). Carrying the information over here:

This article says that Cherish should have arrived in CA (San Diego where the father lives, I presume) around 9 AM.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...dvance-funeral



I assume that's 9 AM West Coast. I looked at multiple airlines' flights from JAX to SAN on Saturdays, and the first Saturday AM flights out of Jax leave Jax between 6:30 and 7:05 AM ET and arrive in SAN 10:05-10:07 AM. I couldn't locate any late night flights that would arrive in SAN any earlier in the morning on standard Saturdays. So Mom should have been planning to have Cherish at the airport Saturday for a 6:30 AM flight.

She could have been flying into LAX also though. It is not that far from San Diego (couple of hours I think) and the savings could have been a few hundred dollars. I didn't research - just know it is generally cheaper to fly in/out of the larger airports.

Salem

 

[AngelWings444]

She could have been flying into LAX also though. It is not that far from San Diego (couple of hours I think) and the savings could have been a few hundred dollars. I didn't research - just know it is generally cheaper to fly in/out of the larger airports.

Salem

I searched the flights and they were pretty much the same amount of $. John Wayne Airport would be closer to San Diego, but the prices are the same. Even flying into LAX is about the same in pricing. I live in So. Cal. Nobody I know, flies into LAX and drives to San Diego. It may be 2 hours on the map, but it's 4 hours easy with traffic. That freeway is a nightmare. JMO

 

[JaxFlaGal]

She could have been flying into LAX also though. It is not that far from San Diego (couple of hours I think) and the savings could have been a few hundred dollars. I didn't research - just know it is generally cheaper to fly in/out of the larger airports.

Salem

There is one Delta flight that leaves Jax at 5:30 AM Saturdays and arrrives in LAX at 9:04 AM. The handful of 5:30 AMs are the earliest flights out of JAX anytime I've ever looked for travel. The JAX airport is barely open at that hour.

Any of the options put Cherish needing to leave her home between 4:30 and 5:30 AM to arrive at the Jacksonville airport by 5 AM for the earliest flight, 5:30 or so for the 6:30 AM departing flights. For those 5:30 flights, there's no point getting to our airport before 5; at that hour the ticket counters don't open before 5 to check baggage, and TSA opens for departing passengers at 5 AM, too. There are only a couple flights at that hour so the TSA wait's minimal.

Either way, she needed to be at the aiport very early in the morning based on that timeline. The "red eyes" don't leave late enough to compute to a 9 AM arrival time in California.

 

[SwampMama]

"Aharon Pearson said he has been working as a window cleaner for about five months. '

Does he mean he is one of those people who stands in intersections and washes windshields without being asked to and then demands money? Or does he have an actual steady job that is legitimate (meaning he pays taxes and isn't just a person who is paid cash under the table). This would be interesting to know since it seemed he couldn't support his family on it, seeing as they didn't have A/C, a stove, a car, etc.

He certainly wasn't supporting Cherish. Her daddy did that and if anything, Cherish's dad (thru child support checks) probably contributed to that household more than AP.

 

[SwampMama]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-Cherish/GrJtME0BWUC_TFTC4rTfRA.cspx?rss=1931

"He tells me Jarreau's accusations are challis and cold. And claims Jarreau offered him money to adopt his daughter. "

Umm, this is a ridiculous statement. First of all, Cherish was Mr Jarreau's daughter, there was no need for him to adopt her. And for AP to claim Cherish was HIS daughter is completely incorrect. He was not even her stepfather. He was her mom's live-in boyfriend and her sister's father.

IF Mr Jarreau did offer money for custody of Cherish, it only shows how much he wanted her and loved her and wanted to give her a better life. I'm sure I would do the same. He was spending so much on court costs that it may have been a better idea to just hand that money to RP and AP to get his daughter out of the horrific squalor and poverty she lived in with 2 adults with obvious problems in giving Cherish the life she deserved.

 

[Tonya421]

http://staugustine.com/news/florida-news/2013-07-11-0#.UeFCq21xNLQ

It’s impossible to know what treatment, if any, that 56-year-old Donald James Smith — arrested June 22 in 8-year-old Cherish’s death — may have received in state prison.

Florida Department of Corrections spokeswoman Ann Howard said Smith’s probation file has been destroyed due to their retention policy to keep records for three to five years. Most of the prison file is also gone, she said, but even if it were available, information about his mental health treatment would be protected by federal health privacy laws.

He was required to see a counselor during parole, records show, and for three years, he was detained in the Florida Civil Commitment Center for treatment under a law for violent sexual offenders. But even there, patients can’t be forced to take part in counseling.

BBM

This is so wrong on so many levels! Just shred & trash those records like they're old shopping lists that you don't need anymore? Sorry, but IMO everything that man (and all violent criminals) said and did is important! It's not like he got caught with a joint, this man was and is a violent, manipulative predator! He cruelly taunted one victim who was hiding from him, and enjoyed the "chase" :moo:
As far as any counseling he may have recieved, if it was paid for by the state, then the state (including the parole/probation office) should be privy to that information, as it might give them some hint to any future crimes. Psychiatrists and psychologists are trained to read between the lines, so if some baby-raping jackass skips into their office & swears that he's cured and no longer has any attraction to children, they know the correct questions to ask so that it might give them a truer sense of what is going on in said baby-rapers twisted mind.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that those records should be made public in any way, but to destroy any records concerning his behavior (incarcerated or not) is extremely irresponsible!

Sorry for the rant, but the ball was dropped many times with this situation, reading this is just the cherry on top.

 

[MsFacetious]

No, AP is trying to say that Cherish's Daddy tried to pay HIM (AP) to adopt Cherish.
That he was trying to pay AP to eliminate his own responsibility to his daughter.
Make sense? Even more absurd isn't it... :scared:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-Cherish/GrJtME0BWUC_TFTC4rTfRA.cspx?rss=1931

"He tells me Jarreau's accusations are challis and cold. And claims Jarreau offered him money to adopt his daughter. "

Umm, this is a ridiculous statement. First of all, Cherish was Mr Jarreau's daughter, there was no need for him to adopt her. And for AP to claim Cherish was HIS daughter is completely incorrect. He was not even her stepfather. He was her mom's live-in boyfriend and her sister's father.

IF Mr Jarreau did offer money for custody of Cherish, it only shows how much he wanted her and loved her and wanted to give her a better life. I'm sure I would do the same. He was spending so much on court costs that it may have been a better idea to just hand that money to RP and AP to get his daughter out of the horrific squalor and poverty she lived in with 2 adults with obvious problems in giving Cherish the life she deserved.

 

[neenna66]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-Cherish/GrJtME0BWUC_TFTC4rTfRA.cspx?rss=1931

IF Mr Jarreau did offer money for custody of Cherish, it only shows how much he wanted her and loved her and wanted to give her a better life. I'm sure I would do the same. He was spending so much on court costs that it may have been a better idea to just hand that money to RP and AP to get his daughter out of the horrific squalor and poverty she lived in with 2 adults with obvious problems in giving Cherish the life she deserved.

I think the point AP was trying to make is that BJ allegedly offered AP money to adopt Cherish, not the other way around. This is only an allegation made by AP in the news though. My point was that with all the mudslinging between the two sides and all the allegations and court actions and other issues alluded to by many, none of these three children stand a chance at a 'normal' life with any of them. And it is this kind of dysfunction that helps to open doors for sickoes to invade our lives and prey on our children.

I am not saying it is bj fault, or AP fault or rp fault. It is Smith's fault. He is the one who hurt cherish and killed her. I am saying that the media blats from both sides is giving everyone a window, a little peek into all three of these girl's lives. And that small glance saddens me, even without the tragedy of smith.

That's simply what i was trying to say. And this is my opinion. I think what we have witnessed with everything from everyone involved is sad. First AP stands by RP. Then he throws her under the bus and splits. Then relatives from Australia and local relatives step up. Where were all these relatives before this happened? That is what i want to understand.

These are those doors we all leave cracked which allows sickoes to get to us and our precious children.

 

[neenna66]

STOP BLAMING THE BIO DAD! He wasn't there, nor did he put his daughter in a van with a stranger, nor did he allow a RSO in the dressing room with a RSO. He does not share ANY fault in this!! Period. He did everything right to try to provide a safe home to his beloved daughter, fought tooth and nail to get custody of her. Cherish should have been home sleeping, waiting to get on that airplane the next morning. She should have been with her DADDY the entire time. Shame on the judge who gave custody to this "mom" against the evaluator's recommendation.

It's ok if you don't want to blame the mother, but stop blaming her DADDY! He did NOTHING wrong!

The State has taken the other children from AP and RP. They didn't do this without any cause! The remaining children need to be kept safe.

DS did do the killing. However, he wouldn't have had access to Cherish, if Billy had custody of his daughter.

If anyone believes AP, they are a fool! He is not believable and his story makes NO SENSE!! We shouldn't be putting faith in the word of a guy who has no job, just lost his children, and has some other "issues".

Regardless, please leave Billy alone. He has suffered enough. JMO :furious:

I m not blaming Bio dad. I am simply saying that with all the mudslinging, all the fighting bickering finger pointing, that even before smith killed cherish, that none of the children lived a normal life. I have never said rp is not to blame either. She made some foolish choices. Everyone involved in this made bad choices. Why must people fight over a child? Why not work together? Why did the extended family not reach out before cherish was killed? Why now? Why? A child was killed and it happened because a huge chain of events was set in motion. The only ones who are completely blameless in all of this are cherish and her two sisters. Because they are children. Everyone else involved is an adult and rather than set aside their own agendas a child was placed in a bad situation. And in saying that, that is the ONLY blame I place and it lies in every adult who had contact with cherish or who knew the circumstances. I guess I am not explaining my opinion well enough :-( This whole situation makes me very sad for all of our children.MOO

 

[Donjeta]

Not saying the situation wasn't sad but there are many children involved in contentious custody disputes with lots of mudslinging whose parents nevertheless manage not to hand them over to sex offenders. Some other explanation is needed JMO.

 

[nikb]

I m not blaming Bio dad. I am simply saying that with all the mudslinging, all the fighting bickering finger pointing, that even before smith killed cherish, that none of the children lived a normal life. I have never said rp is not to blame either. She made some foolish choices. Everyone involved in this made bad choices. Why must people fight over a child? Why not work together? Why did the extended family not reach out before cherish was killed? Why now? Why? A child was killed and it happened because a huge chain of events was set in motion. The only ones who are completely blameless in all of this are cherish and her two sisters. Because they are children. Everyone else involved is an adult and rather than set aside their own agendas a child was placed in a bad situation. And in saying that, that is the ONLY blame I place and it lies in every adult who had contact with cherish or who knew the circumstances. I guess I am not explaining my opinion well enough :-( This whole situation makes me very sad for all of our children.MOO

It makes me wonder if the extended family tried before but had no luck until now that this has happened, maybe they have a chance at getting custody. Just from personal experience. There have been kids in my family I wish I could've taken and/or found them better homes, but it just wasn't even a possibility unless the bio-parents were beyond unsuitable (not saying they are in this case, just sharing my own experience). They may be hoping that public support will help them? IMO.