FL FL - Collier Co, BlkMale, 40-60, Mummified in Woods, Immokalee, 17 Jan 1997

[Gardener1850]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP1106
ME/C Case Number 1997-00017
Male, Black / African American

Estimated Age Group Adult - Pre 60
Estimated Age Range (Years) 40-60
Estimated Year of Death 0-1997
Estimated PMI 6 Days
Height 5' 6"(66 inches) , Estimated
Weight 185 lbs, Estimated

Clothing On the Body
Plaid (blue, green, and red lines) short-sleeve "Mainstream" shirt , green long-sleeved "Maas Brothers" shirt size Medium, Lord & Taylor short-sleeved shirt

Circumstances
Type Unidentified Deceased
Date Body Found January 17, 1997
NamUs Case Created April 7, 2008

Location Found Map
Street Address Wooded area on South 3rd Between Carver and Eustis Immokalee, Florida
Collier County

Circumstances of Recovery
Found in a wooded area amongst vegetation. Examination revealed no trauma.
Details of Recovery

Inventory of Remains All parts recovered
Condition of Remains Not recognizable - Mummified

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[BigKeyManatee]

This is a strange one. Someone is missing this gentleman. Such a shame that there is so little information in his case file...
A middle-aged, borderline obese black man is found recently deceased in a wooded lot in the town of Immokalee with no obvious signs of trauma.
It is January in South Florida, and the body is described as being found clothed only in three shirts- 2 short-sleeved, one long sleeved. No pants. No shoes, socks or underwear.
Two of the shirts come from moderately high-end department stores. Maas Brothers, at one time had 39 stores along the Florida Gulf Coast, but had closed operations by 1991. Lord and Taylor still has a store open in Boca Raton and could have had outlets open in Naples back in the 1990’s.
I believe this man was a middle-class businessman or other professional possibly from nearby Naples, or from Boca Raton on the other coast. He cared about his appearance and possibly dressed in a 90’s yuppie style (plaid!).
Immokalee’s Seminole-run casino opened in 1994, and could have been one of the attractions that brought this well-fed and well-dressed middle aged man to this otherwise rural farm town. The allure of a casino could have brought him there from even farther away.
How did he end up deceased and partially dressed in a wooded lot?
My first thought is that he was either openly gay, or on down-low, and hooked up with someone who drove them out to a secluded location. Engaged in the act our John Doe had a cardiac arrest. His hook-up panicked, and pushed the partially dressed man out of the car. He could have been having a straight liaison as well, and a woman could have done the same. Or an out and out mugging gave him a heart attack and perhaps the thief took a liking to his pants as well as his wallet.
I believe that he is identifiable, and that he is missed.
Thoughts?

 

[PayrollNerd]

That green undeveloped area must be lowlands for it not to be completely built up by now. Back in the 90s that would have been more undeveloped I'm sure. It think you're right though, this had to be related to a hook up with someone from the casino. If he was on a business trip, his employer surely would have reached out to LE at the time.

 

[BigKeyManatee]

That green undeveloped area must be lowlands for it not to be completely built up by now. Back in the 90s that would have been more undeveloped I'm sure. It think you're right though, this had to be related to a hook up with someone from the casino. If he was on a business trip, his employer surely would have reached out to LE at the time..

Agreed, PayRoll.
Do you think he was a Florida resident? I think the Maas Bros shirt is a positive indicator. Even if he was an out-of-state visitor and picked up this particular shirt at a second hand shop, I still think he was still a discriminating dresser...not to stereotype, but possibly gay.
Too much to hope that the police even reviewed any security footage from the casino...

 

[PayrollNerd]

Agreed, PayRoll.
Do you think he was a Florida resident? I think the Maas Bros shirt is a positive indicator. Even if he was an out-of-state visitor and picked up this particular shirt at a second hand shop, I still think he was still a discriminating dresser...not to stereotype, but possibly gay.
Too much to hope that the police even reviewed any security footage from the casino...

If this was a gay encounter at that location, the rest of his clothes would have been nearby. Floridians generally know not to walk barefoot in the woods (red ants, sharp grass blades, snakes). I bet the bottoms of his feet will not show evidence of walking in vegetation. The encounter likely happened elsewhere and he was dumped there by another male. Not many women can dead lift 185lbs.

 

[BigKeyManatee]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
I hope that I am linking this correctly...
Potential match:
Fritznol Pierre, Male, Black / African American
NamUs #MP22150
Age is within range, height and weight are spot on. Missing from Miami area, elegant dresser.
Potential problem is length of time between last known contact and date body was found- 6 months.

 

[PayrollNerd]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
I hope that I am linking this correctly...
Potential match:
Fritznol Pierre, Male, Black / African American
NamUs #MP22150
Age is within range, height and weight are spot on. Missing from Miami area, elegant dresser.
Potential problem is length of time between last known contact and date body was found- 6 months.

The time someone last saw him in Miami was July 1996. He could have moved over to the west coast, lived there for months then was a victim of a crime.

 

[PayrollNerd]

Florida Lostandmissing has a post for Fritznol Pierre dated 10/26/14. No shares, no likes, no comments. The post does mention fingerprints but no mention of DNA.

Florida Lostnmissing

 

[BigKeyManatee]

Florida Lostandmissing has a post for Fritznol Pierre dated 10/26/14. No shares, no likes, no comments. The post does mention fingerprints but no mention of DNA.
Florida Lostnmissing

Likewise the NamUs #UP1106 has no mention of dentals, fingerprints or DNA.
Still new at this, so I’d like feedback from experienced members.
Is it worth submitting?
Should I contact the Unidentified case or the Missing Case, or both?
Both of these mid 1990’s case files show a paucity of information; does that necessarily mean that the physical data does not exist, or could it just not be documented in these public files?
I’m willing to try if there’s some chance.

 

[PayrollNerd]

Likewise the NamUs #UP1106 has no mention of dentals, fingerprints or DNA.
Still new at this, so I’d like feedback from experienced members.
Is it worth submitting?
Should I contact the Unidentified case or the Missing Case, or both?
Both of these mid 1990’s case files show a paucity of information; does that necessarily mean that the physical data does not exist, or could it just not be documented in these public files?
I’m willing to try if there’s some chance.

I've never submitted anything personally. I'm just not that good of a sleuther! Reaching out to the listed detectives or investigators handling each case would be a good start. Perhaps an email asking for a status and your suspicions?

 

[BigKeyManatee]

I've never submitted anything personally. I'm just not that good of a sleuther! Reaching out to the listed detectives or investigators handling each case would be a good start. Perhaps an email asking for a status and your suspicions?

Thanks for your response, PayRoll.
I think that you are a darn good sleuther regardless of submissions or not.
I am a real nube and have a lot to learn about procedures and protocols.
The contact info. for the detective in charge of Mr. Pierre’s case down at the Miami Dade Police Department is by phone only. I’ve read from other WS’ers that with cold cases that it often takes a good while to get the detective on the phone.
There is both a phone number and an email on Mr. Pierre’s page for the NamUs Regional Program Specialist for his case. I think that I’ll start with an email there to see where they direct me.

 

[BigKeyManatee]

Submitted Mr. Fritznol Pierre to NamUs as a possible match to Collier County #UP1106.

 

[BigKeyManatee]

Hot Case 817
Additional information on this Unidentified can be found on the Doe Network.
Partial fingerprints, radiographs, dentals, and DNA are available for this gentleman.
Hot Case 817

 

[BigKeyManatee]

Question for WS Members/Mods
Has anyone else had a problem filling out the Potential Match Submission Form for the Doe Network?

I can’t enter information in the grey text boxes asking for
“Specific information regarding the unidentified/missing person”

Not having issues with pasting links or other info into the other fields, but my curser won’t even show up in the grey text box. Any ideas greatly appreciated!

Potential Match Submission To Panel

 

[PayrollNerd]

Question for WS Members/Mods
Has anyone else had a problem filling out the Potential Match Submission Form for the Doe Network?

I can’t enter information in the grey text boxes asking for
“Specific information regarding the unidentified/missing person”

Not having issues with pasting links or other info into the other fields, but my curser won’t even show up in the grey text box. Any ideas greatly appreciated!

Potential Match Submission To Panel

I would think a gray box would not be required or fillable based on other online forms I’ve used. Are those boxes starred as mandatory? Maybe try a different browser?

 

[BigKeyManatee]

I would think a gray box would not be required or fillable based on other online forms I’ve used. Are those boxes starred as mandatory? Maybe try a different browser?

OK, That makes sense...thank you!
Compulsive me sees an empty place and feels an overwhelming need to fill it with words .

 

[Melt71]

Submitted Mr. Fritznol Pierre to NamUs as a possible match to Collier County #UP1106.

Mr Fritznol is now listed as a ruleout, along with James Sheldon Clark (no Namus reference)