FL - Coralrose Fullwood, 6, found murdered, North Port, 17 Sept 2006

  • #301
SARASOTA -- A judge on Thursday ruled against allowing Coralrose Fullwood's parents to have unsupervised visits with their children.

In denying Dale and Ellen-Beth Fullwood's request, Judge Rick De Furia said they haven't been cleared in the death of Coralrose, 6. The judge also cited the ongoing investigation into the deplorable conditions in the Fullwoods' North Port home.

"I'm not trying to imply the parents are responsible for the death," De Furia said in upholding his previous order that gave custody of the Fullwoods' four children to their grandparents, and requiring that the grandparents be there for all parental visits.

Coralrose was found dead two blocks from her North Port home on Sept. 17. The state took the remaining Fullwood children from their parents after child protective workers said the home was so filthy it posed a hazard to the children.

In an initial report, state child protective workers also said Coralrose's death was "suspicious for abuse or neglect." Police say her cause of death was "homicidal violence."

Testimony at an hour-long hearing showed the Department of Children & Families, or DCF, made a mistake handling the case.

And more than a week after the judge gave custody of the children to the grandparents, the agency wasn't prepared to answer De Furia's questions about the safety of the grandparents' home.

An attorney for the Fullwoods complained at the hearing that DCF's requests for access to the children were arbitrary and repetitive, including a second request for a study of the Doreen and Saul VanderWoude's home. Saul VanderWoude is a retired police officer.

"What was wrong with the first home study?" Fort Myers-based attorney John Coleman said. Lutheran Services in Charlotte County had notified the grandparents that a home study was needed.

But it turned out that was a mistake by Lutheran Services, which had been contacted by the YMCA in Sarasota to go to the home for grief counseling for Coralrose's siblings.

When the Lutheran Services workers didn't see the home study on their computer system, they scheduled it and notified Coralrose's grandparents, a YMCA employee testified.

De Furia responded by changing a previous ruling, in which he had ordered the grandparents to make the children available to law enforcement and DCF at all times.

He changed it to all "lawful and reasonable" requests, also ordering the attorneys to work these issues out without involving the court.

But De Furia also used stern language with caseworkers when they couldn't answer the most basic of questions about the children's placement: Were background checks completed on the residents of the children's new home, and what were the results?

De Furia wanted to know, since he placed the children in the grandparents' home and ordered expedited background checks on everyone in the house.

But the caseworker who did the home study was not there because she had called in sick, a DCF attorney said. Also, DCF did not anticipate that De Furia would ask the question.

"A child's been murdered, these are answers you should have had on the tip of your tongue, frankly," De Furia said.

Finally, a caseworker who was listening to the hearing by way of teleconference, checked records and said the background checks had come back clean.


http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060929/NEWS/609290341/1264/NEWS0103
 
  • #302
North Port police are still devoting about 50 investigators to the murder investigation of Coralrose Fullwood, though the chief said he doesn't expect any arrests soon.

The focus still is on developing leads, though less are pouring in from residents than a week ago, Chief Terry Lewis said Friday. It's been 12 days since the 6-year-old was found slain of "homicidal violence" with trauma to the body. Detectives are also awaiting lab tests, which could further develop a suspect.

"We still like what we're seeing," Lewis said. "We haven't focused on one person."

Lewis said the family's vehicles have been returned and are no longer considered evidence. The girl's parents moved back into their house last week. Her surviving siblings were ordered to stay in their grandparents' south Fort Myers home for temporary shelter.

Lewis said residents of North Port are still on edge almost two weeks after the girl was reported missing and found dead later that day.

"There's not going to be any quick answers," Lewis said.

When asked if investigators are getting frustrated because no arrest has been made, Lewis said investigators are working the leads they have, reinterviewing people and waiting on lab results.

"If it is frustration, it's that we haven't been able to bring satisfaction to the family members," he said. "I'm more concerned about fatigue than the frustration."

Thursday, the family was involved in another emergency shelter hearing after the family's attorney, John Coleman, received notice of a proposed order that contained language he objected to, he said. The Department of Children & Families order prohibited the parents from being left alone with the children and also proposed the parents and grandparents comply with all orders, not just those of law enforcement officials.

He said he wanted to make the court aware of his position, which is why the hearing was called.

Sarasota Circuit Judge Rick De Furia also denied the parents' request for unsupervised visits with the children. De Furia cited the ongoing investigation into the girl's death and the family's filthy home. De Furia previously ruled the parents can visit if Ellen Fullwood's parents are present.


— The Associated Press contributed to this report

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060930/NEWS01/609300494/1002
 
  • #303
RiverRat said:
North Port police are still devoting about 50 investigators to the murder investigation of Coralrose Fullwood, though the chief said he doesn't expect any arrests soon.

"We still like what we're seeing," Lewis said. "We haven't focused on one person."

"There's not going to be any quick answers," Lewis said.

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060930/NEWS01/609300494/1002
I snipped most of the article down to just these few sentences--

:confused: :confused: - they like what they see.......havent focused on any one person, and have no answers? how can they like what they see?
RR- thanks again for the updates you post :blowkiss:
 
  • #304
Thank you for the acknowledgment, I was starting to worry that no one was reading them........
 
  • #305
http://www.sun-herald.com/newsarchive2/100106/tp2ch6.htm?date=100106&story=tp2ch6.htm

SARASOTA -- Circuit Court Judge Rick DeFuria said he was "flabbergasted" at the lack of progress made by the Department of Children and Families to clear the grandparents of Coralrose Fullwood at Thursday's emergency hearing.

Fullwood's attorney, John Coleman of Fort Myers, requested the hearing. He wanted to find out why the DCF has not made a decision on the temporary custody of the children. He also wanted to know why a second home study was needed by DCF to determine if the grandparents home was clean. Coleman also pushed for a change in some of the language in their agreement preventing DCF from making "arbitrary decisions."

DeFuria ordered the temporary custody of the four Fullwood children on Sept. 19 to their grandparents, Saul and Doreen VanderWoude of Lee County, following the death of 6-year-old Coralrose. She was found murdered two blocks from her North Port home.

The judge's order allows for supervised visits, where either Saul or Doreen must be present at all times when either Dale or Ellen-Beth Fullwood visits. The order states that the Fullwoods cannot live in the same house with their children.

According to Coleman, Dale is living with his brother. Ellen-Beth may be living with a relative. However, Coleman said he was not sure. Coleman told the judge that the Fullwoods are not living together, and are not living in their North Port house.

DCF attorney David Taylor told DeFuria that the background checks were done. However, DCF has made no decision whether the VanderWoude's can keep the children.

"What is taking so long?" DeFuria asked Taylor. Taylor said the background checks and home study was done, but had no answers.

Kim Pope, a mental health counselor and investigative court specialist for DCF, was not available. Taylor said she was sick.

"Then get someone on the phone who can answer the question," DeFuria ordered.

DCF was able to contact Lynn Johnston, who works with Pope. She said the criminal checks are clear, however, the fingerprinting and name check on the National Crime Information Center was not done. There was also some doubt as to whether background checks were done on two other grandchildren living at the VanderWoude's home.

"I specifically told you that everybody living in the house be checked," DeFuria said. "A child was murdered. These answers should be on the tips of your tongue."

Johnston then told the judge that she found the background checks on the other two grandchildren, and they were clear.

DeFuria also ordered DCF to create a case management plan to unite the family if the Fullwoods have a clean house.

However, Taylor said there was some confusion when transferring the paperwork down to Lee County. Taylor said they did not realize a home study was already completed. DCF contracts with Lutheran Services, and they contacted the family to conduct another home study.

"What we really ordered was grief counseling," said Kevin McKenny, director of the YMCA services DCF contracts with in Sarasota.

Since police have not implicated the Fullwoods in Coralrose's murder, nor have they been ruled out as suspects, DeFuria said it still a dependency case.

In granting temporary custody of the children to the grandparents, DeFuria said Fullwood's house was in a "deplorable state and unsanitary."

In a previous hearing, the judge reviewed more than 20 photos of the Fullwood's North Port home where German roaches were crawling out of cabinets and other areas. He saw feces on bedding.

DeFuria granted Coleman's request to add "reasonable and lawful" to the DCF agreement.

Taylor said he feared adding this would mean Coleman would object to every request DCF makes.

DeFuria said he disagreed with Taylor, "because Coleman will object regardless." At the five-hour Sept. 19 shelter hearing, Coleman made more than 50 objections.

DeFuria warned all parties that his court, although he will not deny a request for a hearing, will not become a nitpicking session.
 
  • #306
I wonder why the Fullwood's are not living together? It seems that they would be busy cleaning up the house so they could have their children returned to them. Especially now, dealing with grief. It seems the comfort of the other children and fact that the children need them should be a prompt to get things moving in the right direction.
 
  • #307
Good questions. While it still may be in the best interest of the children to be with the grandparents, I could not imagine being apart from my spouse at a time like this - unless.......

"According to Coleman, Dale is living with his brother. Ellen-Beth may be living with a relative. However, Coleman said he was not sure. Coleman told the judge that the Fullwoods are not living together, and are not living in their North Port house."
 
  • #308
RiverRat said:
Good questions. While it still may be in the best interest of the children to be with the grandparents, I could not imagine being apart from my spouse at a time like this - unless.......

"According to Coleman, Dale is living with his brother. Ellen-Beth may be living with a relative. However, Coleman said he was not sure. Coleman told the judge that the Fullwoods are not living together, and are not living in their North Port house."

Coleman is keeping better tabs on Dale than Ellen-Beth. Doesn't he represent both? Sorry for all my questions this morning but this case is bothering me.

From the police chief being cryptical to the Fullwoods being apart it is like something is seeping in that I can't explain.
 
  • #309
I wish that I could answer your questions but I am right there with you in wondering. After reading this article though, I am leaning harder in the fathers direction than I am an Outsiders.
 
  • #310
RiverRat said:
Thank you for the acknowledgment, I was starting to worry that no one was reading them........
I've read every post on this thread and return daily. I appreciate all the information you have posted. This case is heartbreaking!
 
  • #311
RiverRat said:
Thank you for the acknowledgment, I was starting to worry that no one was reading them........
I read them all the time. just worried there isnt much going on with this investigation......hope they know more than they are revealing, which is how i think mr lewis works, but that last update concerned me :confused:
 
  • #312
concernedperson said:
I wonder why the Fullwood's are not living together? It seems that they would be busy cleaning up the house so they could have their children returned to them. Especially now, dealing with grief. It seems the comfort of the other children and fact that the children need them should be a prompt to get things moving in the right direction.
I dont disagree at all with what you have questioned.....I do remember mom saying she could never go back to the house. and dad has been there on a few occasions--- perrhaps the problem? mom wont go back- dad thinks they should to continue on? I dont know....just a thought- I cannot imagine living apart right now--- no way no how--- but i do rememebr her saying she could never go back-
how very very very sad
 
  • #313
You are correct, earlier reports did state that Rosie's mom vowed never to return to the home. That is why I was surprised with last weeks report of the father's wish to bring his family home to that house.

North Port is a very small city so I am praying that their law enforcement agencies are well prepared. Knowing that there is prior experience with a high profile case with Carlie Brucia gives me a little comfort though.
 
  • #314
RiverRat said:
You are correct, earlier reports did state that Rosie's mom vowed never to return to the home. That is why I was surprised with last weeks report of the father's wish to bring his family home to that house.

North Port is a very small city so I am praying that their law enforcement agencies are well prepared. Knowing that there is prior experience with a high profile case with Carlie Brucia gives me a little comfort though.
yes- and as I have said before- lewis retired from sarasota- then went to north port--- now back in another nightmare===========god bless him-
 
  • #315
concernedperson said:
I wonder why the Fullwood's are not living together? It seems that they would be busy cleaning up the house so they could have their children returned to them. Especially now, dealing with grief. It seems the comfort of the other children and fact that the children need them should be a prompt to get things moving in the right direction.

In one of the early links, the mother is quoted as saying she will never live in that house again...that's why I was surprised to see the later article where the father and brother were in the house cleaning up.

Maybe the parents suspect each other? Just a guess.

Oops! Should have read further...I see this has already been posted about the mother not wanting to return to that house.
 
  • #316
j2mirish said:
I cannot imagine living apart right now
In this situation, not knowing if your spouse has hurt your child or not - how could you NOT live apart?
 
  • #317
RiverRat, I check in here often and also very much appreciate all the links and comments you post!! :clap:


I sure hope they can find out who did this... I have a bad feeling about them not living together :waitasec:


Jubie
 
  • #318
GlitchWizard said:
In this situation, not knowing if your spouse has hurt your child or not - how could you NOT live apart?

A million people could suspect that my husband hurt one of my kids, but I would NEVER believe it, not without overwhelming evidence. Even then, it would be hard to wrap my mind around accepting Walt as an abuser/murderer. I know my husband and know how he is around my boys and I trust him daily with our lives.....he has never let me down. Not once.

IF this woman is suspicious of her husband, then I betcha something has happened in the past to make her willing to believe such a thing is possible.
 
  • #319
kgeaux said:
A million people could suspect that my husband hurt one of my kids, but I would NEVER believe it, not without overwhelming evidence. I know my husband and know how he is around my boys and I trust him daily with our lives.....he has never let me down. Not once.

IF this woman is suspicious of her husband, then I betcha something has happened in the past to make her willing to believe such a thing is possible.


I agree, my husband would never harm our children. He'd be a force to reckon if someone else harmed them though.
 
  • #320
Does anyone know who was with the kids that night before the dad got home from the bartending job? If the mom had up for 36 hours, then I wonder if Coral Rose was left with the 12 year old or left home alone. If there really are problems causing the two to live apart, maybe she is angry that he didn't help around the house more if he didn't work as long of hours as she had been working.
 

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