FL - Coralrose Fullwood, 6, found murdered, North Port, 17 Sept 2006

[RiverRat]

yes she is working- I also believe I read she has either filed for seperation or divorce- I just cant imagine staying in the house my daughter was taken from, husband arrested from, especially all by myself, and now the problems she is reporting-

"Dale Fullwood's arrest more than two weeks ago has put an additional strain on the family. Ellen-Beth Fullwood has since separated from her husband, said Bartoe, her sister. Meanwhile, Dale Fullwood remains in jail on $50,000 bail, and no one from the family has visited him."

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061030/NEWS/610300578

 

[j2mirish]

"Dale Fullwood's arrest more than two weeks ago has put an additional strain on the family. Ellen-Beth Fullwood has since separated from her husband, said Bartoe, her sister. Meanwhile, Dale Fullwood remains in jail on $50,000 bail, and no one from the family has visited him."

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061030/NEWS/610300578

thanks for the back-up r/r---
we know about her family, I think grandpa has been vocal about his innocence in this nightmare-==any idea where his family is- anybody?

 

[reportertype]

Hi Joy

I agree that a mess doesn't mean the mom had anything to do w/her daughter's death. I am more curious about the numerous reports she is making to police. It is probably cynical for me to suggest, but it did cross my mind that for whatever reason she is making these things up or doing them herself. Just a thought.

I didn't think much about the parents until I read the coverage of that vigil and now I think they're weird. More and more I'm thinking that.

When I was a kid, my folks worked all the time and there was a time when we had roaches. It took us a while, but we finally got rid of them. We were not an especially dirty house or anything; we had rental houses next to us and they were fumigated, then suddenly we developed a roach problem. It's too bad you guys have to work so much. We're a four-job household as well and it makes it VERY easy to fall behind on housework, esp. laundry!

RT

 

[RiverRat]

There are far too many reasonable explanations for the reported break-in. Maybe Ellen is just a mother that is still in need of medication and maybe things are a little foggy for her right now......

Or Ellen could be helping plant the Intruder defense....

Or - this case could use a little inside survellience right about now....shhhh.

 

[txsvicki]

I'm glad to hear that Beth Fullwood has separated from Dale. I can't imagine anyone even wanting to live with a man who sat and downloaded and looked at child . I hope that she can soon afford to leave that house and rent another so that people who might vandalize won't know where she lives. Beth probably can't just move into a small apartment because she has to be in a place where she can bring her children home to when it is allowed. One thing about all of us on the forum who have messy homes is that I know we aren't sitting around downloading child instead of cleaning like Dale was. He's paying the price now and I hope he gets the maximum there is for that crime and caught for any other things he might have done. The thing that really concerns me about him is that I have heard LE talking lately about these people who join the child internet community. It was said that in order to be admitted and get more and more graphic images, they have to also produce and contribute their own child . One said that child was practically eradicated in this country until the internet became popular and now it is really out of hand and something has to be done.

 

[RiverRat]

SARASOTA -- Dale Fullwood, the father of murdered 6-year-old Coralrose Fullwood, pled not guilty to child charges Monday.

Fullwood, 46, was arrested Oct. 11 for allegedly having videos on his laptop computer showing girls under 12 having sex. The North Port Police Department charged him with two counts of possession of child after a joint investigation with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

According to Fullwood's arrest report, he allegedly told investigators he had video files on his laptop computer while law enforcement was investigating his daughter's death.

Tebrugge said you cannot "believe everything" you read in the police report. He said there is more to the case than the brief statements in the arrest report.

Tebrugge said he's demanded all information pertaining to Fullwood's arrest from the State's Attorney's Office.

"The State Attorney's Office turns over all police reports, statements, evidence, and anything else they have in the case," Tebrugge said.

The SAO has 15 days to respond, according to Florida Statutes.

On Oct. 30, Assistant State Attorney Steven J. Zimath filed a charging document which stated on Aug. 24 and Sept. 16, Fullwood "knowingly possessed videos on his computer which included a sexual performance by a child."

Fullwood is still in the Sarasota County Jail because he cannot post the $50,000 bond. Tebrugge said Fullwood is in a single-person cell.

Tebrugge said he will also file a petition for a writ of habeas corpus this week in the Second Circuit Court of Appeal, stating that Fullwood is being illegally jailed.

The habeas corpus petition is used to object to the detention and must show that the court ordering it made a legal or factual error.

Tebrugge said Fullwood's bond is 25 times higher than is typically given.

Tebrugge said the bond set for Fullwood by Circuit Chief Judge Robert Bennett violates the administrative order Bennett himself signed back in 2003. The three-year-old order states bond should be set at $1,000 for someone facing Fullwood's charges.

Florida statutes state that if someone is charged with three or more counts of possession of child , they can be considered as promoting child , and bond can be set by the judge.

To file an appeal, Tebrugge said you must show that you asked for a reduction in bond and it was denied.

When asked whether a judge would set a higher bond because a person may be a suspect in another crime, Tebrugge said; "That would be very wrong."

Police have yet to make an arrest or name a suspect in the death of Coralrose.

http://www.sun-herald.com/newsarchive2/110706/tp2ch7.htm?date=110706&story=tp2ch7.htm

 

[RiverRat]

NORTH PORT -- The father of a slain North Port girl who was arrested last month on child charges may be closer to getting out of jail.

The Second District Court of Appeal on Friday ordered the judge who set Dale Fullwood's bail at $50,000 to explain why that is reasonable or set a new amount.

Fullwood pleaded not guilty to two counts of possession of child , a third-degree felony that usually calls for $1,000 bail per count.

The day Coralrose Fullwood, who would have turned 7 years old next week, was found dead in the woods two blocks from the family's home, North Port detectives questioned Dale Fullwood about child . He admitted that he had downloaded a "couple" of files, an arrest report states.

Fullwood's court-appointed public defender has said the father with no serious prior arrests is being held illegally at the Sarasota County jail because of the high amount. Adam Tebrugge said there is an "important principle" in Florida law that gives suspects who have not been charged with violent crime an opportunity to post bail.

"That principle was not followed," Tebrugge said Friday.

Sarasota Circuit Court Judge Charles E. Roberts has 14 days to submit in writing the reason for setting the bond at $25,000 per count, or set a new amount.

It is unclear if Fullwood, who was a bartender at a North Fort Myers bar before he was arrested, would be able to post bond even if it was drastically lowered. He declared in court documents that he is several thousand dollars in debt.

His wife, Ellen-Beth Fullwood, who has been living alone in the family's Calabash Lane home since her four youngest children were placed in their grandparents' custody, declined to comment Friday.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061118/NEWS/611180447

 

[RiverRat]

http://forums.heraldtribune.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3941081465/m/9691040175/p/150


no1noz

Posted 13 November 2006 09:32 PM Hide Post

Thankfully the "club" I now belong to is small. i pray it never widens.

The moment I realized Coralrose, my wild rose, was not in the home was what i thought was the worst moment I had ever felt. But then it got worse. My baby was gone forever. I sat in the police station and she came to me and told me she was ok and we kissed and hugged and she left. I prayed I had had a psychotic break, but no it was true. MY BABY GIRL WAS DEAD. No-one would tell me any more than that.

The "Victim's Advocate" told me how my life would never be the same how i would always have a hole in my heart. This minutes after learning of her death. NOT helpful.

Then came questions and more questions and a voice stress test (which I passed). Finally i was released.

Next I had to face a worse issue: telling my other children their sister was gone. If anyone could have seen their faces at that time. My G-d i am haunted by it.

The next day DCF comes and steals my other children. I understand now with what Dale had been into, but at the time it felt like someone had ripped out my heart. That pain was almost equal to the pain of losing my Rosie.

The day after that I had to sit in a court room, keeping a facade so maybe the judge would return my kids, whom I love and always have, back to us. That was not to be.

I then found out that the ME's office was unsure how long the autopsy would take and I had to make funeral arrangements with out a specific date. FUNERAL arraingements for my 6 year old!!! In judiasm one cannot even begin to mourn until after the body is buried. and Rosh Ha shannah was coming. Then we found out the cemetary was flooded and we would not be able to actually bury her for WEEKS. Rabbi Minkowitz had many a conversation with New York to find a way aroung it which Baruch Ha Shem he was finally able to do.

But the first day of Shivah was disturbed by DCF coming to examine my children. Would the judge allowed them to do so during a wake? I doubt it, but because our customs are different we must suffer.

The police and FDLE are doing everything in their power to bring justice to my daughter. She deserves a story. Not just what she has now: "I went to sleep and woke up dead" SHE deserves better. Whatever the story is, it needs to be told.

Have any of you truly ever hit rock bottom? imagine you are there and people keep throwing boulders in on you. People you thought you could trust and complete strangers as well. And then imagine some vilify you for not crying loudly enough for them to hear, even when you are screaming with what little waning strength you have remaining. That is what this whole thing has felt like.

I chose to post as someone else so I did not have to explain this. I do NOT like sharing my self outside of family and close friends. However That has become impossible. So I had to share with you. Please remember I am a human being, my children and family members are real human beings. Not charactors on a TV who done it.

If we do not act the way you think we should maybe you perceptions are what needs changing. For one i never thought i would react and behave as I am doing, yet i do.
Posts: 12 | Registered: 25 September 2006

 

[RiverRat]

no1noz
Posted 14 November 2006 05:42 AM Hide Post

the only reason I chose to post at this time is that I now have private access to a computer. My own, as well as my childrens' and Dale's, are all at the secret service in Miami still. And we do not go online at work. Although you all read and post and keep updated multiple times a day, I have been reading a few posts each weekend. Sunday a newer computer was loaned to me. I had to wade through over 60 pages between sunday night and monday evening. So your postings were still fresh to me.

I did not chastise anyone here on the site. You all have thrown pebbles as opposed to boulders in on me. DVLS you are right my house was falling apart in Cape Coral. Did you check to see if there was ever leaking pipes that led to SOME of the damage? K Copper and Cape Coral water is notorious for that. We also had three girls in one room and two autistic boys in another (and yes they were diagnosed by medical doctors after pediatricians recommended the referrals)[As to my medical conditions, all documented by MRI, CT Scan, blood work, or clinical symptoms verified by medical doctors.] you are right we did not clean in the manner we should have. PERIOD.

Posts: 12 | Registered: 25 September 2006

 

[Taximom]

RiverRat, these are very interesting posts you found! Thank you.

 

[j2mirish]

RiverRat, these are very interesting posts you found! Thank you.

ditto from me too--r/r

 

[txsvicki]

What medical conditions does Beth Fullwood have? I don't believe I remember reading that she is ill or has something wrong. I know it was a horrible time but having children taken away with the possibility of getting them back or going to grandparents is not nearly as bad as having one taken away and murdered. The horror had to have been for the other children who lost a sister then were taken to strangers for awhile. Coral Rose's story does need to be told, she needs justice and it should be all about her only. She is the victim. The other children are safe, a wrong doer was found out and is in jail, and the kids are with family. Hopefully it will all work out, the murderer caught and punished, and Beth will be totally exonerated and able to get the kids back and get some help from family and friends with housework.

 

[OneLostGrl]

The woman (mother?) that was talking about the fact that she did/is not reacting the way she thought she would if something were to happen to her kids makes a good point! We often don't react the way we or others assumed we would.

I live in SC, my parents lived in CT. When my step father killed himself, my mother was in the hospital, I flew to CT to be with her when she found out because i just *knew* she would flip out- I even worried about HER committing suicide too.

When I arrived at the hospital I went to talk with my mothers nurse to let her know she should be ready to give my mother a Trainquilizer.

I went in and told my mother her husband is dead- she didn't cry, scream, flip out, nothing! I could not believe it!! My mother is extremly histronic and I honestly thought she would fall apart. She didn't! All she said was "Ohh Jesus, he is dead?"

When she was released from the hospital I was prepared to rent a hotel room, before I brought her back to SC with me, because I did not think she would step foot in the house her husband killed himself in... she did! She slept in their bed, the bed where his body was found!

My mother reacted TOTALLY different then I expected her to... totally different then I had ever seen her react to anything in my 34 years! We honestly just don't know how we will handle things until it happens to us. We do not know how others will handle things- there isn't always a pattern.

 

[txsvicki]

I think I've read more criticism coming from the family towards child protective services, grief advocate, police, and the community than I have ever seen from the community towards the family except for suspicions of Dale especially after the child was found out. I don't understand complaining about how long an autopsy might take regardless of any religious preferences after a child is murdered. It all seems to be about them and not the victim.

 

[RiverRat]

I was a little surprised to find postings from Coral's mother on-line regarding the on-going investigations of her daughters murder and her husbands child arrest. Her choice of hat - No1Nos - caught me off guard too.

I will have to go back and double check, but there may have been an early mention of a back problem which would explain Ellen revealing that she had plenty of proof of her inability to maintain a spotless home.

 

[Taximom]

I was a little surprised to find postings from Coral's mother on-line regarding the on-going investigations of her daughters murder and her husbands child arrest. Her choice of hat - No1Nos - caught me off guard too.

I will have to go back and double check, but there may have been an early mention of a back problem which would explain Ellen revealing that she had plenty of proof of her inability to maintain a spotless home.

I also thought I read that she had seizures. I may be confusing cases, but I thought she had something like that.

 

[RiverRat]

Ellenbeth explained she had worked and been awake for 36 hours over the weekend. She also said two of her children are autistic. Dale testified to working a 14-hour shift the night before Coralrose died.

"I am a lousy housekeeper," she told the judge, adding she hurt her back on Friday at work. She said she could barely move.

http://www.sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/092006/tp1ch5.htm?date=092006&story=tp1ch5.htm

 

[gardenmom]

If I were her I would stop posting immediately. I believe she can be held responsible for anything she says on there, even if it incriminates herself. She may have nothing to hide, but it is not smart IMO.

 

[Taximom]

If I were her I would stop posting immediately. I believe she can be held responsible for anything she says on there, even if it incriminates herself. She may have nothing to hide, but it is not smart IMO.

I was just thinking that. Perhaps she's all alone in the house and needs to talk. Not the best place for her to do so though, in her circumstances. IMO anyway.

Although I wonder if I were in the same boat and wanted to get out the truth or at least correct some of what people are saying about me...would I jump on board and do it? I don't know. I just might.

As far as her nick goes, I thought it was (phonetically) "No one knows" but now I'm thinking it might be "Number 1 knows" as in her God. Interesting choice either way.

 

[txsvicki]

I really think that they were working way too many hours. Surely one of them could have cut back since there were 5 children at home and no babysitter? I wonder how Beth was able to work if she had hurt her back and was barely able to move.