FL - Coralrose Fullwood, 6, found murdered, North Port, 17 Sept 2006

[RiverRat]

I don't quite know for sure, but I don't think that he returned to the same job at Motor City that he held before his arrest.

I also picked up on what Ellen could not say......just can't figure out WHY she is choosing to do so on a message board.

 

[Taximom]

RiverRat, thank you for posting these comments.

I thought this one would be in the books by now. It must be extra hard to find proof when your victim lives (possibly here) with the murderer. I still think it sounds like the father did it though.

 

[txsvicki]

I don't know if I could stand reading at that board where Beth is posting. Now she is ridiculing Christians and "your Lord" just because of the posters questions or comments. Are any posters even really saying anything bad about her? When I went to that board, no one had said anything about Beth in the posts. Beth must have spent many many years in school if she was a nurse, teacher, and now speech therapist. I was a nurse too, and I never talk about my own family in nurse's notes or charting terms and I haven't noticed any terms like this in any of the quotes by Beth. She sounds the opposite, extremely dramatic and it looks like she thinks one of Dale's associates may have killed Coral Rose. I have to disagree with her on one thing, I know that my husband does not look at child and we will never be accused of any type of thing like that due to any comments made online or anywhere else. I don't understand why she is warning people about what they do online or how it can be misunderstood.

 

[txsvicki]

Sorry for two posts in a row but I had another thought. According to the previous post with a statement from Beth, she mentioned the killer and his associates and if she only knew about the then Coral Rose might still be alive. If Beth believes that some internet freak killed Coral Rose or was in on it, then why on earth would she want to live alone with her children at this time. What if the boys know more than they are telling and could be in danger from Dale or some "associate". I'd want my children to be safe and with all the family they could be surrounded by while I worked and every night until it was all resolved.

 

[Sheromom]

That's interesting, Texas Vicki! She might be right; it could be one of his associates. Did he post pics of CoralRose, I wonder? I hope the police aren't letting him out of their sight for a minute. I'm glad I live FAR away!!!

 

[curious1]

I don't know if I could stand reading at that board where Beth is posting. Now she is ridiculing Christians and "your Lord" just because of the posters questions or comments. snip

I really didn't read anything more into that than someone who is just at her wits end. I think I know what she means. I am no longer involved with organized religion because I got tired of the very people who go around quoting scriptures thou shalt not this and thou shalt not that, then looking down their noses at people and talking about them behind their backs. Things that 'their God' preaches against. So I think I know where she is coming from. Just my :twocents: .

 

[blaize]

That's interesting, Texas Vicki! She might be right; it could be one of his associates. Did he post pics of CoralRose, I wonder? I hope the police aren't letting him out of their sight for a minute. I'm glad I live FAR away!!!

Let's hope he didn't post any pics of CoralRose to other online paedophiles .. uugghh. I also hope LE are keeping a close eye on him and his internet activities.

blaize

 

[RiverRat]

01/05/07
Dale Fullwood trial date set


NORTH PORT -- At Dale Fullwood's case management hearing Thursday, Circuit Court Judge Charles Roberts set a July 16 trial date.

Fullwood was arrested on Oct. 12 and charged with two counts of possession of child . Fullwood is the father of 6-year-old Coralrose Fullwood, who was found murdered on Sept. 17. Police have not made any arrests nor have they ruled out the family as suspects.

Wednesday, Dale and Ellen-Beth appeared in court to request unsupervised visitation with their four children.

The court denied the request because neither parent has been ruled out as a suspect in the homicide of Coralrose. However, the court said that if they are ruled out, then they might get unsupervised visitations.

North Port Police Chief Terry Lewis also announced that police will hold a press conference at 11 a.m. today on the investigation into the homicide of Coralrose. Police said they do not have major news to report on the case, but have information they need to share.

Visit the Sun's Web site at www.sun-herald.com and read the Saturday Sun for updates on the press conference.

 

[RiverRat]

Local news reports have law enforcement now confirming that CoralRose was in fact sexually assaulted.

 

[Taximom]

Local news reports have law enforcement now confirming that CoralRose was in fact sexually assaulted.

Oh, RiverRat....

I don't know what to say except that I'm sorry for little CoralRose and I hope there's some kind of evidence that helps find the killer.

 

[curious1]

ohhh, poor baby. I hope they nail the @$$ who did this! :furious:

 

[concernedperson]

Me too. I am watching this and am not cutting any slack.

 

[strach304]

I wonder what changed in respect to LE first saying there were no signs of sexual assault? Did it take this long for dna return or have known this for some time but didn't go public with that info? I've always wondered about the boy who said he saw her climb out of the window sometimes. Was she lured out that way or what? Still think it's possible the father could be linked.

This tragedy just gets worse, my god :sick:

 

[j2mirish]

Local news reports have law enforcement now confirming that CoralRose was in fact sexually assaulted.

how does le/ and an autospy report change their mind on a sexual assault?????????????? that is very scary imo--- she either was or wasnt--- and i am no rocket scientist, but shouldnt le, or a coroner know for a fact, first time around---:doh:

 

[strach304]

how does le/ and an autospy report change their mind on a sexual assault?????????????? that is very scary imo--- she either was or wasnt--- and i am no rocket scientist, but shouldnt le, or a coroner know for a fact, first time around---:doh:

J2, do you know if this was also the case with Jon Benet? Or anyone that followed that case closely? I do remember posters here saying at one point they thought Patsy was responsible by physical abuse that she tried to cover up with staging it to look the way it did. Then later on I remember so much controversy over dna that was found in Jon benet's underwear that went untested for so long I think? Is that right?

They are now asking the public about suspicious characters that left the area etc. from that time but wouldn't it have helped the investigation at the time to have been asking those questions. Seems to me the people in the community zeroed in on the father and the filthy house and what not and didn't pay attention to that aspect. I did see posters here asking about sex offenders in the area but from the majority of what the neighbors reactions entailed it centered entirely around the parents.

Not saying the father isn't an issue or condoning the filth or anything but this evidence is very critical and the only way I see LE getting the two responsible is to match up their dna in a data base. What if it isn't there? As of yet anyway, that is a horrifying thought. They can do this 20 more times before they are possibly caught and then the dna matched up. Especially if they are young.

 

[txsvicki]

I really didn't read anything more into that than someone who is just at her wits end. I think I know what she means. I am no longer involved with organized religion because I got tired of the very people who go around quoting scriptures thou shalt not this and thou shalt not that, then looking down their noses at people and talking about them behind their backs. Things that 'their God' preaches against. So I think I know where she is coming from. Just my :twocents: .

Yes, she must be at wits end but she wouldn't appreciate people bringing up her Jewish religion because she is criticizing them in retort. People aren't perfect and being a Christian or not shouldn't have alot to do with questioning the murder of a little girl on some message board. It's not like Christian people are flooding the board with kiddie or cursing and damning Beth to hell. I'm sorry to hear that Coral Rose was sexually assaulted. LE has got to figure this out for the safety of the other kids. That and justice for Coral Rose is the most important thing right now even if it does cause the parents stress. Coral Rose was the one who was destroyed, literally.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I don't know if I could stand reading at that board where Beth is posting. Now she is ridiculing Christians and "your Lord" just because of the posters questions or comments. Are any posters even really saying anything bad about her? When I went to that board, no one had said anything about Beth in the posts. Beth must have spent many many years in school if she was a nurse, teacher, and now speech therapist. I was a nurse too, and I never talk about my own family in nurse's notes or charting terms and I haven't noticed any terms like this in any of the quotes by Beth. She sounds the opposite, extremely dramatic and it looks like she thinks one of Dale's associates may have killed Coral Rose. I have to disagree with her on one thing, I know that my husband does not look at child and we will never be accused of any type of thing like that due to any comments made online or anywhere else. I don't understand why she is warning people about what they do online or how it can be misunderstood.

I think what Beth is saying is that a person might think that they know their husband upside down and inside out but some women like her have discovered that they didn't know their husbands at all. I know a lady who divorced her husband because of on the computer. She didn't have a clue but happened to find it one day. This guy was a teen counselor at a place for out of control teens. The boys are sent there to live for a number of months...a long time. This wife was just blown away by the things that her husband had on the computer. I think that Beth was saying that we should be careful of what we say because it could happen to us just like it has happened to others who were unsuspecting. We may end up trying to prove that we didn't have a clue just like she is. She is right. It happens all of the time.

 

[RiverRat]

01/06/07
Coralrose murder involved sexual assault

DNA profiles a white male who is not a family member


NORTH PORT -- Physical evidence shows that more than one person was involved in the sexual assault of 6-year-old Coralrose Fullwood. However, North Port Police Chief Terry Lewis stopped short of saying they might be responsible for her death.

At a press conference Friday, Lewis broke a four-month silence on the case, saying police know that more than one person was present during a sexual assault of the little girl. In the past, he said there were no "obvious signs" of a sexual assault.

Coralrose's mother, Ellen-Beth, who now rents in Lee County, was at the press conference. Coralrose's father, Dale, who rents a place in Cape Coral, was not there.

Coralrose was found dead on Sept. 17 in the woods nearby her Calabash Avenue home in North Port. Dale said he saw her in her bed at 2 a.m. when he returned from work. However, at 7 a.m., she was gone.

Dale was arrested on Oct. 12 in what police said was a separate investigation on child charges. He was freed on bond and his trial has been set for July 16.

Lewis said DNA evidence showed Coralrose was sexually assaulted, and that investigators believe more than one person was involved.

Lewis explained that by saying more than one person was involved, adding one either had direct knowledge or participated in the assault.

"We have a DNA profile of a non-family member," Lewis said. However, Lewis said that the family has not been ruled out.

Lewis said they could not match the DNA to a specific suspect in the case. He said they constructed a criminal profile based on the DNA and physical evidence found.

Lewis added that criminal profiling is not an exact science, but is a valuable tool which helps generate more leads.

Lewis said the profile shows the offender is a white male and someone familiar with the area.

"The offender is someone the family either knows or is an acquaintance of," Lewis said, emphasizing that he is using the word "acquaintance" loosely. Lewis said the offender likely has a girlfriend or is married, and is someone who has "crossed paths" with Coralrose before. He also said the profile indicated the person is of "low social order."

Lewis added Coralrose, a first-grader, did not participate in any high-risk activities, and her routine consisted of going to school and staying at home.

Lewis said the offender probably saw Coralrose at home, saying he was "not a stranger to her." He said the offender probably had a reason to be at Coralrose's house.

Lewis said statistically in 80 percent of child murder cases, the perpetrator is someone who lives within a quarter-mile of the victim's home. He added, however, he doesn't know that to be the case here.

Lewis said arrests will be coming in the case, but he would not put a time frame on it. He added no one has been ruled out as a suspect and still may include family members.

He said the case is a multi-agency investigation involving federal, state and county agencies including Sarasota, Charlotte and Manatee counties. He said Sarasota, Charlotte and Lee counties are still investigating leads and making progress.

"We cannot do it alone," Lewis said, adding if residents have any information to contact the department through a specific number for the Coralrose Fullwood case. That number is 941-429-7336.

He urged parents not to let their guard down on protecting their children including after an arrest is made.


Police want neighbors to review questions and call

The North Port Police Department would like the community to consider the following questions and if they have pertinent information they should call 941-429-7336.

1. Are you aware of anyone who has stopped coming into the neighborhood/area since the time Coralrose Fullwood's body was found?

2. Is there anyone there that you have suspicions about who lived, worked or visited in the neighborhood?

3. Are you aware of anyone who has moved or left the area suddenly since Coralrose Fullwood's body was found?

4. Are you aware of anyone whose behavior seems to have changed since Coralrose Fullwood's body was found? For example:

A. Increased consumption of alcohol or drugs.

B. Intense interest and curiosity in the investigation.

C. Become more withdrawn, paranoid or guarded.

D. Missed work.

E. Irritable or aggressive.

5. Do you know of anyone who has indicated any type of interest in the investigation?

6. Are you aware of anyone who has changed his appearance since the discovery of Coralrose Fullwood's body.

 

[RiverRat]

Police have profile and DNA in Coralrose killing
By GINNY LAROE

NORTH PORT -- Residents who have waited four months to learn who killed 6-year-old Coralrose Fullwood are now being asked to help solve the crime by submitting to DNA testing.

At a press conference Friday, police said they have the DNA of a man involved in the girl's killing, who was likely an acquaintance of hers, but not a family member.

Police Chief Terry Lewis released a profile of the killer created by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and said it appeared that he did not act alone. Lewis also confirmed for the first time that the first-grader was raped.

None of Coralrose's family members have been cleared as suspects, Lewis said.

From the beginning of the investigation, police have said they were confident that they would find Coralrose's killer, but refused to name suspects or discuss evidence collected in the investigation. Neighbors and residents awaited each development in the case, theorizing about who it could be.

Now some of them don't know what to think.

Steve Wade, who lives with his family near the Calabash Lane home where Coralrose lived with her family, said detectives stopped by his home three weeks ago and "swabbed" his entire family, including his wife and their two children.

"I thought it was a waste of time, at first," Wade said. "I was dead-set that it was one of the family."

Coralrose's body was found Sept. 17 in a vacant lot near the home she shared with her mother, father and four siblings.

Members of Coralrose's family said Friday that police should have been more forthcoming with details about the case from the very beginning.

Saul VanderWoude, Coralrose's maternal grandfather, said police have given the family conflicting information about the girl's death.

"I think they have screwed up this investigation so bad, one screw-up after another after another," said VanderWoude, a retired police officer from Massachusetts who, with his wife, has temporary custody of the Fullwoods' other four children. "They have lied to the public; they have lied to the family."

Previously, Lewis had said that preliminary autopsy reports showed no sign of sexual battery on the girl's body.

At the press conference, Lewis explained that he got more detailed information after making the previous statement: "Now we have forensics evidence indicating a sexual battery did in fact occur." :banghead:

Police several weeks ago began going door-to-door in the neighborhood off Chamberlain Boulevard where the Fullwoods once lived, asking residents to volunteer their DNA for comparison with that of the possible suspect, said Lt. Ed Fitzpatrick.

"The public has been very cooperative," he said.

Police would not say where they recovered the suspect's DNA, but confirmed they have entered it into a federal database where genetic information of criminals is stored, hoping to find a match.

Police also have obtained samples from individuals in two other counties, but Fitzpatrick would not elaborate on how the people were chosen or how many samples have been taken.

Fitzpatrick said police started with residents closest to the Calabash Lane home where the Fullwoods lived, and then worked their way out. He said police will broaden their canvass.

Seaton VanderWoude, Coralrose's 21-year-old stepbrother, said he is angry that police have not publicly cleared his mother and stepfather, Dale Fullwood, in the death.

"Why would the family not be cleared if the DNA they found is not for any family member?" said the American University student, who was visiting his family in Lee County on Friday. "They are going to go after my father no matter what."

Dale Fullwood, 46, was arrested in October on two counts of possession of child after police say they found two video files on his laptop of a girl under 12 being raped. Fullwood has pleaded not guilty to the charges; a trial has been set for July 16.

Fullwood has moved back to the dilapidated Cape Coral home he once shared with his wife and five children.

He did not immediately return calls seeking comment Friday.

Police also released a list of questions for residents to consider, hoping they may prompt anyone with pertinent information to contact police. Police set up a hot line at (941) 429-7336 for the calls.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/NEWS/701060614

 

[RiverRat]

Follow this with me - the poster MBARTO is Ellen Fullwoods sister, Marci and they are actually carrying out this conversation on the message board for the Herald Tribune.....

mbartoe Posted 05 January 2007 09:47 PM Hide Post
dvlsadv - I would like to respond to your question posed to me about Ellen with the lie detector test. NO she did not take the test, that was at the advice of her attorney. Yes, she did take the voice stress test, and passed it. The day Rosie was found murdered, when Dale was at the police dept until 11, that is when he took his lie detector test, and NO he did not pass. It is not up to me to say why he failed, just the fact that he did fail. Dale did not see the attorney until the day after he took the test, and was not able to be given the same advice as Ellen. He took the test on his own free will, he was not forced by the police to take it. He offered to.

As for there being anything in the evidence that makes the NPPD suspicious at this time, I can not answer that, as for I do not have those answers. Only the police do.

Snanatax - earlier you asked if Ellen and Dale owned a camcorder, the answer is yes they do. As for Ellen being a sound sleeper, yes she is a heavy sleeper. And yes, Dale did check on the kids every night when he came home after work. That was his normal routine.
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no1noz Posted 05 January 2007 09:58 PM Hide Post
Marci,

That was NOT his routine. No matter what he has said. it was a running arguement in the house.

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