GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU Law Professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #7 *arrests*

[TTF14]

Thoughts, info, and MY OPINIONS:

June's transcript:
June U's transcript is up on the clerk website. It's a beauty. It's too large to attach. I tried. Get it here, search Magbanua name on the criminal case setting: https://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/public/online_services/search_courts/search_by_name.asp

June gives us oldtimers on this Websleuths thread a shout out toward the end. June told law enforcement to look us up and that she was reading every day back when she was with CA. Says they (meaning Adelsons) all read it. The insight into the Adelson family dynamics and other things are explosive. Great read. Some things to note from it:

Donna claims Dan is back from the grave, haunting them. Charlie knocked up Wendi's ex's boyfriend's nanny. Jeez. How incestuous can one clan be? Unbelievable. He also has women he keeps in Latin America and Asia. What a *******. June says Charlie wanted her to pop out a kid but not to marry her. June says, "he'll send someone for me now" or something close to that, which refers to a hitman.

For June:
June, girl, being single sucks but come on. You admit you and your family see Charlie for what he has done. I thought it might have been you who popped up to tell us that Charlie reads Webslueths and that he had a baby. LOL. Welcome, and seriously, step away from temptations of hot tubs and BMW's. It's plain desperado now. You're a pretty gal and have your future to look forward to. Don't limit yourself to C-level periodontists who allegedly order hits like a low budget scarface wannabe, okay?

KM's lawyers:
DeCoste has all the charm of a date rapist. Relax, I'm not calling him names, I'm referring to his courtroom charm. Seriously, this dude is channeling his inner Saul Goodman. How does he think this is working on a female jury? Pointing out the appearance of the beard of the undercover -- a hero who goes undercover in human trafficking cases to protect our society from awful evil -- so KM can walk the streets free? Also, he jabbed June U right away to ask her if she had children to hurt her. You can read in the attached transcript, she says Charlie wanted to have a baby with her. Douche move.

I am so annoyed by all the faces Kawass makes. Relax Tara, we all know you're putting on a show, tone it down to make it more real at least. It's not community theatre, its court. Cappleman's low-key demeanor is playing so well against the defense team. All of them.

Crazy that KM started laughing at DeCoste's gross cross of the financial forensic analyst. I can only assume it might have to do with him asking the financial analyst if she had been a VIP cocktail waitress. The commentators on Law and Crime network recap discuss it and how it was a horrible look for KM. "Somebody died," they said.

Newcomers reminder: One of KM's lawyers, DeCoste, "The Charmer," shares an addy with Charlie's lawyer. They share the penthouse suite. Let's hope they have an accurate mailman!

Decoste Adress: Contact a Miami Criminal Defense Lawyer | Miami Criminal Attorney
David Markus (Charlie's attorney) Miami Federal Criminal Defense Lawyer David Markus

Garcia's lawyer, Saam Zangeneh:
Woooza. The poor guy can't manage to make a coherent point. Sleazy and unorganized.
"You'd agree with me...I'm not sure what I'm doing.... and you'd agree with me....I'm not getting paid for this....you'd agree with me, I'm on TV right now."

June U punched a big hole in his already far-reaching "Charlie is underground drug lord/club-kid theory."

The one good thing Zangeneh gave us is more Lacasse, gossip about the breakup and Wendi's behavior.

Renewed focus on Wendi -- new examples -- Consciousness of Guilt:
The new Lacosse angle has been a real highlight for me. Not only did he discredit Wendi, but he also demolished her character. She carried herself with this bemused amusement as to why she's even there. How nothing was too wrong. Everything is fine. Lying about little things. See Wendi on the stand below.

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I'm now thinking it's a likely possibility that Wendi had a hand in both trips, details like the cars (first trip and last trip and both silver sedans like Lacasse) and timing it, so he is fleeing the state. New signs of the guilt of consciousness on June 4th. Pepto and nerves. (Wait -- she sent Lacasse out on an errand that evening?) I think she made a big slip there mentioning the hitman to Lacasse. Who initially said the cost was 15k, but later changed his answer to say that it could have been 50k. See the article below.

AND, prosecutors are making a considerable deal of July 1st when the planning happened. Wendi was home amongst the alledged conspirators at that time.

So the date of the murder - July 18. A previous failed trip by SG and LR in June. And another attempt we don't know about? Does this mean hitmen were sent to Tallahassee THREE TIMES? Let's get McNair on the stand PRONTO.

'That's what we went to go kill that man for': New details emerge in FSU professor's killing

"McNair, who shared a cell with Garcia and two others, came forward in December and told investigators Garcia had talked about being hired to kill someone."
"Garcia said he was approached by his "baby mama," who had been asked by a woman named "Don Adelson" to kill someone for money, McNair told an investigator in a recorded interview."
"Garcia said the same woman had paid $50,000 to two other people, but they took the money and never followed through with the killing, McNair said."

Where. Have. You. Been. All. My. Life.

This is AMAZING.

 

[TTF14]

June: "The only thing bad about him, was he's supposedly a murderer, so."

Girl, set your bar higher. You're beautiful and articulate and worth so much more.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Law & crime feed is now live in court for the day.

 

[Marysmith]

Wow. Thanks for the compressed PDF, @dixiegirl1035 !

‘He was the perfect guy except for the murdering and cheating’ I laughed out loud for a whole minute!!! Come on girl! Even when the FBI guy repeated it, I could hear the incredulity in his voice!

Charlie was pooping his pants! And his mother wow almost sounded like she was justifying what had to be done and now she feels haunted. This is a sick family!

And even after all this June still talked to him right before her testimony and wanted to walk back what she said. She was defensive on the stand. What would he have to do to be unworthy of her support?

I almost felt sorry for her when she said he had a baby and a dog now and she’s still single. And she thought he was the one. Is it the money or has he just manipulated her so good? I sympathize to a certain extent but after you’ve had all this time apart and you can look at objective evidence against him things should start clicking for you. But it looks like she went back to being his friend during this trial. Smh.

ETA: I guess this explains KM not taking the deal. These women feel sorry for him. They don’t want to hurt him. I don’t know how he does it but he’s got a hold on them. Once KM is found guilty there’s no turning back. She can’t unring that bell. She WILL do time. Why risk it? Unbelievable! She is willing to do time for him?

And even SG to a certain extent? He has been quoted as saying that he can’t let KM go down for something he did. She manipulated and pushed you into doing it!

 

[Marysmith]

Notes I made from reading the transcript that you had linked above and what she said. .......


Near the end and Page 114, talking about not telling Charlie that she had been interviewed. And June says "he'll hire someone for me eventually

She talks about a photograph of her at Charlie's house where the mainstream media took a photo and Mis identified her as KM ( I've never seen that picture.) " he even got mad when I was in the paper and stuff. But that wasn't my fault. And I said you never told me about this, so. And he said I sounded stupid or something. And that I looked bad in the picture. (e.d. what a cad! Trying to deflect and make her feel bad about Talking to the media when she had no idea, and then telling her she looked bad in the photograph pffft. What a manipulator!!!)

" I just thought it was weird that he never asked or wondered once, like who really did it. He never mentioned like oh, I wonder who did it. Or this person might have done it. Or I feel bad for Dan or, like no remorse or anything."

Charlie " just likes to have a lot of fun, and he's irresponsible I think, just because he doesn't have to work now, and he has nothing else to do. He likes to drink and stuff."

Charlie got a second cell phone when all this was going on. And he might have gotten another one.

He would talk to other people on the application of WhatsApp. (Yet we've heard nothing about that in the trial, is there just no way that law enforcement can capture such?)

Charlie used to have clothes by his bed in case they (e.d. LE) came to get him in the middle of the night as he was very scared that they would come and take him.

Charlie told her that he was cheating on the then current girlfriend and baby mama. ( Wendi's ex-boyfriends nanny). He discussed things weren't going well with her and he wanted her to move out and to pay her money but he could not because of the case, and he might not be able to see his boy. ( e.d. we know how this family has with custody, this girl should be very very careful)

She's aware that Charlie has traveled to cartajena Colombia and the Philippines.( where he has yet another girlfriend)

She says that Charlie is investing in real estate as his main career at the time of the interview, more than working is a periodontist. "He doesn't even work at his office". " he works for one of his good friends, R**ert St***on, who's a dentist and they kind of like have an arrangement or something"

Charlie lost quite a bit of friends during the time they were dating. Charlie told her he stopped being friends with.....

1) D***en P**e, 2) R**n Fi****trick, (it was her understanding that they had a business together, and R**n didn't pay or something and they argued but she did not know the main details. The business was called Legal funding which was they fronted cash to people if they were suing for an accident or something and then they pay them back later with interest) 3) Qu***on St****son, 4) An***io..( A***nio is a lawyer who used to live in Miami he moved to Davie or something or Fort Lauderdale . Charlie and he fought over the case and said something like "at least I don't pay people to do my dirty work or something like that and they started fighting at the dinner table" she heard).. some of these were friends since childhood according to her. 5) ***ren.. was his best friend and he's a periodontist also. "He was there that night and I guess he sided with A***nio". 6) "and all the wives, like there's a whole group of them" (e.d. she mentioned most of the falling out was two months before her birthday when he called her, so that would have been around the time of the arrest and the information leaking into the media?) 7) ... and the infamous ***ry The Roommate ( supposedly they are no longer friends because of a roommate dispute. That Charlie blamed J**ry for using his house to sell something there when Charlie was out of town and Charlie kicked him out of the house)

At the time of the interview, Charlie was still friends with S**ly, and ***ert St***on.

She also mentioned W*****ein who was an attorney friend who was helping with him with advice but they weren't officially signed or anyting.

I have purposely starred out the names of people who have not been on the stand so their names will not come up in a search engine.

ETA the interview was on July 24th, 2018 from 6:30 p.m. to 7:55 p.m.

Here’s the picture I think:
Please excuse the “volume” on the bottom.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

And even SG to a certain extent? He has been quoted as saying that he can’t let KM go down for something he did. She manipulated and pushed you into doing it!

I wonder how much of her relationship with Charlie was disclosed with Discovery and during the trial that Garcia never knew about before. (As to her relationship with Charlie still ongoing that he may not have known about.)

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Here’s the picture I think:View attachment 208049
Please excuse the “volume” on the bottom.

She looks beautiful in that photograph! Typical Charlie, he was trying to slam her just to shut her up. She's a very pretty lady.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Back-and-forth bickering about the transcript from the bump operation. The defense is saying they got the transcript just this past Friday. They don't want it to come in.

ETA judge is saying that he has had time to review them, so the defense should have too


Oops, A B C excluded as heresay... !!!!!
Judge: there's three conversations and I want to go chronological and the first one is on April 19th what's the state's theory of admissibility a b c Charlie Adelson and Mrs Adelsoni going back and forth

Prosecutor:but they are not hearsay say they're not being offered to prove the truth of the matter but being offered to show what mrs. Anderson does when she gets the information ... effect on her as the listener and then on Charlie as The Listener.


(Judge sustained objection yet judge thinks outdated as to conspiracy case and sites 1940 Supreme court case as to after conspiracy has ended....over my head!!! )

 

[Weki]

Rivera has buried Garcia. They don’t even need KM to convict him. They need him and KM to cooperate for a lesser sentence to get The Adelsons. Garcia has to know he’s DONE. Him cooperating to give up KM and not CA is useless to the state. He has no leverage. Because KM is buried too. There’s no way she walks imo. The only card Garcia and KM have is to cooperate together to give up CA! But KM doesn’t need Garcia to give up CA, Garcia needs her.

If Rivera can withstand Latin King pressure to snitch then I can’t imagine that these two are not snitching because they’re afraid of the Adelsons.

And I can’t imagine there’s any amount of money that would make me do life in prison. So what gives!?

 

[Gypsy Road]

https://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/publ...eq=&dktid=42203828&dktsource=JIS&sexual_case=

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Oh my stars! That girl got it bad for CA! Unbelievable!!

 

[TTF14]

Oh my stars! That girl got it bad for CA! Unbelievable!!

Yeah, if you take the whole murder thing out of the equation, she's just a young woman who got her heart broken and sees her dreams (child, dog, etc.) being lived out by someone else.

Her time will come though.....she'll find someone WAY better than Charlie. Someone who won't cheat on her with women from the Philippines, Texas, Colombia......

After reading through that, I wonder if Charlie is paying his attorney double and somehow his attorney is paying KM's attorney under the radar.

 

[TrialLurking]

Yeah, if you take the whole murder thing out of the equation, she's just a young woman who got her heart broken and sees her dreams (child, dog, etc.) being lived out by someone else.

Her time will come though.....she'll find someone WAY better than Charlie. Someone who won't cheat on her with women from the Philippines, Texas, Colombia......

After reading through that, I wonder if Charlie is paying his attorney double and somehow his attorney is paying KM's attorney under the radar.

Yes, she is a beautiful young women that thought she met the man of her dreams. Sometimes, you have to go through a few toads before you find that special someone. I know I had my fair share of toads in the past

 

[TTF14]

Unless the defense attorneys temper their argumentative tones and sarcastic attitudes, I don't plan on watching their closing arguments. Their manner of speaking gives me anxiety.

 

[GordonX]

June said that CA likes to travel to Thailand, The Philippines, Colombia, and Mexico. All have extradition treaties with United States.

Countries with no extradition treaty with US

 

[jennyjenny]

Notes I made from reading the transcript that you had linked above and what she said. .......


Near the end and Page 114, talking about not telling Charlie that she had been interviewed. And June says "he'll hire someone for me eventually

She talks about a photograph of her at Charlie's house where the mainstream media took a photo and Mis identified her as KM ( I've never seen that picture.) " he even got mad when I was in the paper and stuff. But that wasn't my fault. And I said you never told me about this, so. And he said I sounded stupid or something. And that I looked bad in the picture. (e.d. what a cad! Trying to deflect and make her feel bad about Talking to the media when she had no idea, and then telling her she looked bad in the photograph pffft. What a manipulator!!!)

" I just thought it was weird that he never asked or wondered once, like who really did it. He never mentioned like oh, I wonder who did it. Or this person might have done it. Or I feel bad for Dan or, like no remorse or anything."

Charlie " just likes to have a lot of fun, and he's irresponsible I think, just because he doesn't have to work now, and he has nothing else to do. He likes to drink and stuff."

Charlie got a second cell phone when all this was going on. And he might have gotten another one.

He would talk to other people on the application of WhatsApp. (Yet we've heard nothing about that in the trial, is there just no way that law enforcement can capture such?)

Charlie used to have clothes by his bed in case they (e.d. LE) came to get him in the middle of the night as he was very scared that they would come and take him.

Charlie told her that he was cheating on the then current girlfriend and baby mama. ( Wendi's ex-boyfriends nanny). He discussed things weren't going well with her and he wanted her to move out and to pay her money but he could not because of the case, and he might not be able to see his boy. ( e.d. we know how this family has with custody, this girl should be very very careful)

She's aware that Charlie has traveled to cartajena Colombia and the Philippines.( where he has yet another girlfriend)

She says that Charlie is investing in real estate as his main career at the time of the interview, more than working is a periodontist. "He doesn't even work at his office". " he works for one of his good friends, R**ert St***on, who's a dentist and they kind of like have an arrangement or something"

Charlie lost quite a bit of friends during the time they were dating. Charlie told her he stopped being friends with.....

1) D***en P**e, 2) R**n Fi****trick, (it was her understanding that they had a business together, and R**n didn't pay or something and they argued but she did not know the main details. The business was called Legal funding which was they fronted cash to people if they were suing for an accident or something and then they pay them back later with interest) 3) Qu***on St****son, 4) An***io..( A***nio is a lawyer who used to live in Miami he moved to Davie or something or Fort Lauderdale . Charlie and he fought over the case and said something like "at least I don't pay people to do my dirty work or something like that and they started fighting at the dinner table" she heard).. some of these were friends since childhood according to her. 5) ***ren.. was his best friend and he's a periodontist also. "He was there that night and I guess he sided with A***nio". 6) "and all the wives, like there's a whole group of them" (e.d. she mentioned most of the falling out was two months before her birthday when he called her, so that would have been around the time of the arrest and the information leaking into the media?) 7) ... and the infamous ***ry The Roommate ( supposedly they are no longer friends because of a roommate dispute. That Charlie blamed J**ry for using his house to sell something there when Charlie was out of town and Charlie kicked him out of the house)

At the time of the interview, Charlie was still friends with S**ly, and ***ert St***on.

She also mentioned W*****ein who was an attorney friend who was helping with him with advice but they weren't officially signed or anyting.

I have purposely starred out the names of people who have not been on the stand so their names will not come up in a search engine.

ETA the interview was on July 24th, 2018 from 6:30 p.m. to 7:55 p.m.

Thanks dixiegirl for sharing your notes ... stayed up reading transcript until 2am ... too hazy/cross-eyed to jot any thoughts down myself LOL!!

 

[Weki]

To me June's interview makes clear that Charlie picks certain types of women - women that he can easily manipulate, women who may have self-esteem/trauma issues, women who need validation from men, women with low-income. I think Charlie seems like a great catch to these women. He's handsome, educated, and has money. These are the only metrics by which they judge him. They don't value themselves. Sounds to me like he's emotionally abusive and maybe even physically threatening. He's a philanderer. He's secretive and controlling. And June even said she put blinders on during the relationship.

 

[clearskies1]

Rivera has buried Garcia. They don’t even need KM to convict him. They need him and KM to cooperate for a lesser sentence to get The Adelsons. Garcia has to know he’s DONE. Him cooperating to give up KM and not CA is useless to the state. He has no leverage. Because KM is buried too. There’s no way she walks imo. The only card Garcia and KM have is to cooperate together to give up CA! But KM doesn’t need Garcia to give up CA, Garcia needs her.

If Rivera can withstand Latin King pressure to snitch then I can’t imagine that these two are not snitching because they’re afraid of the Adelsons.

And I can’t imagine there’s any amount of money that would make me do life in prison. So what gives!?

My theory: KM is waiting until after the trial. She d0es not want to cooperate before there is a verdict because she doesn't want to give evidence against the father of her children (SG). Once SG's fate is decided by the jury she will flip. At this point, since SG was allegedly the triggerman, the State is probably only willing to bargain him down from the DP to Life. But SG probably thinks the jury will only give him Life (not the DP) anyway. JMO.

 

[YESorNO]

Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
The final week of witness testimony is about to begin. The State is expected to wrap today. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Law & Crime Network‏Verified account @LawCrimeNetwork 52m52 minutes ago
#MarkelMurder - Sgt. Corbitt returns to the stand testifying about wiretaps that were placed on two of Katherine Magbanua's phones and on Charlie Adelson's phone. https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/dan-markel/watch-live-murder-trial-in-shooting-death-of-fsu-law-professor-dan-markel/ …

Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
The day starts with Sgt. Corbitt with TPD taking the stand for the third time. They'll focus on wiretaps this morning. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
Judge Hankinson is going over which wiretaps will be allowed and which wiretaps won't be allowed. He has thrown out some of the wiretaps this morning. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 2h2 hours ago
Judge now reviewing admissibility of dozens of wire taps, has already tossed six citing what he says are “outdated” hearsay rules in conspiracy cases @WCTV


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 1h1 hour ago
Judge Hankinson seems to be denying the publishing of wiretaps or parts of wiretaps that include Markel's ex-in-laws which defense teams say will only serve to confuse the jury


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 2h2 hours ago
Judge appears to be admitting only wire taps that include Magbanua and Garcia, and throwing out all calls that involve only the Adelsons @WCTV


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 1h1 hour ago
First up we'll here from TPD Sgt. Chris Corbett again who is laying the foundation for where the wiretaps came fm/how they were conducted


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 1h1 hour ago
Sgt. Corbitt is describing how wiretaps work. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 1h1 hour ago
Charlie Adelson's phone and 2 phones for Katherine Magbanua were tapped. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 1h1 hour ago
TPD investigator says they put wire taps on two of Katherine Magbanua’s phones and one of Charlie Adelson’s phones @WCTV


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 47m47 minutes ago
TPD investigator says there are more than 350 wire tap recordings, state sought to admit more than 40, judge allowed about 30 @WCTV


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 1h1 hour ago
On what investigators listen for when they review wiretaps Corbett said: "“They don’t speak openly about it they use code or some other means to hide what they are saying”


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2m2 minutes ago
The next call is an argument between KM and Sigfredo Garcia. The voices were confirmed by Luis Rivera. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 3m3 minutes ago
The next day there is a very contentious phone call between Garcia and Magbanua "I’m going to take care of this problem," Garcia said. "The less you know the better off. Stop talking on the phone bye."

 

[justice1960]

Rivera has buried Garcia. They don’t even need KM to convict him. They need him and KM to cooperate for a lesser sentence to get The Adelsons. Garcia has to know he’s DONE. Him cooperating to give up KM and not CA is useless to the state. He has no leverage. Because KM is buried too. There’s no way she walks imo. The only card Garcia and KM have is to cooperate together to give up CA! But KM doesn’t need Garcia to give up CA, Garcia needs her.

If Rivera can withstand Latin King pressure to snitch then I can’t imagine that these two are not snitching because they’re afraid of the Adelsons.

And I can’t imagine there’s any amount of money that would make me do life in prison. So what gives!?

Maybe she has been advised by counsel she will be acquitted and is foolish enough to believe it or she has stated to her counsel she is innocent of all charges and counsel is foolish enough to believe it. In either case they are both foolish if they think there is an acquittal on the horizon. The other caveat is no deals until all her appeals have been exhausted. In other words, if all this is true, she has shown no remorse, therefore, lock her up and throw away the key. MHOO.

 

[TTF14]

Did anyone catch if the transcript of the conversation at the outdoor restaurant is going to be allowed in?