GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU Law Professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #8 *arrests*

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  • #501
I guess GC won't be doing rebuttal. She used up all her time.

Get ready for the s***show from defense! It will def be more entertaining so I'm actually looking forward to it. lol.

GC got better towards the end but I think she should've rehearsed the heck out of her closing and kept it tight. She should've had it memorized! Made more eye contact with the jury and shown more conviction. But I guess that's not her style. Not everyone has that IT factor in public speaking.

Did she use ALL of it? I think she has at least 5-10 minutes left, which is enough to make some solid points.
 
  • #502
I thought Cappleman did a good job wrapping up the cell phone stuff which clearly puts KM squarely with SG and LR, even at the time of the car rental (that she said she wasn't at). She went a little long, though.

I'm not understanding why everyone's saying the State won't be able to use her now to go after CA.

While, technically, the State could make a deal and use her, the conventional wisdom is that she has ruined her credibility by now testifying under oath of having no knowledge. She would be impeached severely if she ever did take the stand and most prosecutors will not deal with a defendant who takes the stand and denies under oath the important elements of the crime or knowledge of it.
 
  • #503
I don't think I can bear to watch the closing for SG. His attorney's best argument is to say have pity on SG -- he was manipulated by awful KM. JMO.
 
  • #504
King Zangeneh is hitting Rivera hard! It's his only play in this. But it's a lost cause bc his client is on video in Tallahassee.
 
  • #505
King Zangeneh is hitting Rivera hard! It's his only play in this. But it's a lost cause bc his client is on video in Tallahassee.
Yeah, IMO this closing isn't even really worth listening to.
 
  • #506
Not a good look when the judge has to smack you down in the middle of your closing. Oh Zangeneh!
 
  • #507
Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
Cappleman is about to start her closing argument. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 2h2 hours ago
State now making closing arguments , citing emails from Donna Adelson to Wendi Adelson that describe Dan Markel as a “big bully” and say re-location of kids to Miami is “NON-NEGOTIABLE” @WCTV


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
"The evidence has shown that on July 18, 2014, this community suffered a blow." - Georgia Cappleman's opening line. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 2h2 hours ago
June 2013 email details one million dollar offer from Donna Adelson for Markel to allow kids to relocate @WCTV


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 2h2 hours ago
State showing series of court filings in Markel’s contentious divorce, “high emotions and a lot at stake on both sides” Cappleman says @WCTV


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
Cappleman is setting the stage now. She's going through the bitter divorce between Markel and Wendi Adelson. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 2h2 hours ago
“Dan Markel was murdered and relocation was no longer a problem,” Cappleman said @WCTV


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
"You can be a good actress when you want to. I've seen you in action. You just need to put on the performance of your life."- an email Donna Adelson sent Wendi Adelson regarding an upcoming divorce court hearing. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
Donna Adelson gave Wendi Adelson a plan of action, mostly involving taunting Markel by threatening to convert the kids from Judaism to Catholicism. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
One email even said Wendi should dress her children in Hitler Youth uniforms. Remember, judaism was very important to Dan Markel. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
One email even said Wendi should dress her children in Hitler Youth uniforms. Remember, judaism was very important to Dan Markel. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 2h2 hours ago
Prosecutor says after Markel’s death, his ex-wife changed kids’ names, halted communication with parental grandparents and tried to “obliterate the memory of their father” @WCTV


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
No mention of Garcia or Magbanua yet


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
It took 24 minutes for Cappleman to say Katherine Magbanua. Still no mention of Sigfredo Garcia. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
But she is reviewing a number of emails from Donna Adelson that include a "plan of action" that includes baptizing their children and converting them to Catholoisim


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
Also, dressing the kids in Nazi uniforms...


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
And discussion of offering $1 million


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
"Dan Markel was murdered and guess what relocation is no longer a problem," Cappleman said. "Within 48 hours Wendi Adelson has moved to South Florida never to return to Tallahassee."


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
27 minutes in and we see all of the key players. The first portion of the opening statement focused on the divorce, custody battle, and the Adelson's. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27
 
  • #508
Zangeneh is flat out lying about the evidence. That's not what Downing said. Smh.

Key bumps??

Coke all over his face?

Stop!! This is embarrassing.

Your client is on the ATM/bus video!! Are you kidding me with this closing? He's making himself look really bad.
 
  • #509
I don't think I can bear to watch the closing for SG. His attorney's best argument is to say have pity on SG -- he was manipulated by awful KM. JMO.
If WA is ever put on the stand again, guessing a similar argument would be made that DA manipulated WA. imo, speculation.
 
  • #510
Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
"Maybe you think I'm eager to do this again in the near future."- Cappleman telling the jurors about her opinion on charging the Adelson's. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
"These two defendants chose to do a crime with him and he chose to save his on butt and do a deal. He is a bad dude. That's why they picked him to assist with this." - Cappleman talking about Luis Rivera #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 2h2 hours ago
“He is a bad dude,” Cappleman says of Luis Rivera. “He made a deal to save his butt.” No proof he was spoon-fed any information, she says @WCTV


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
Cappleman: "Rivera is here because these two defendants chose to do a crime with him and he, yes to save his own butt, came forward. He is a bad dude. That’s why they picked him to come assist with this."


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
..."He’s telling you what you already know from the evidence, the circumstantial evidence in this case. He's the direct evidence."


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
Cappleman now going through facts that Rivera could've only known if he was involved. Like the gunshot hole in the Prius and that Markel was supposed to leave town the day after the murder. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
"The evidence corroborates that. You're not going to be the shooter and the getaway driver." Zangeneh makes a confused face when Cappleman says that. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 2h2 hours ago
“You’re not going to be the shooter and the getaway driver,” Cappleman said, citing an ATM photo with Rivera in the drivers seat @WCTV


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
..."How could he have known Garcia shot a hole in the floor of the Prius? How could he have known that Dan Markel was going to leave town?"
 
  • #511
If WA is ever put on the stand again, guessing a similar argument about would be made that DA manipulated WA. imo, speculation.

She probably was. That email from DA to WA made Mommy Dearest sound like a wicked, wicked woman!
 
  • #512
Oh I see where he's going. It's a drug deal lol. Because it makes sense that you'd leave Miami to come to Tallahassee for a drug buy. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
  • #513
Hello all. Just registered and appreciate finding this community. I found GC's closing to be quite effective. I would have preferred seeing more cross of KM yesterday -- particularly pressing her on the "code-talking" -- but today I believe she's focused on the important evidence and I fully expect convictions murder 1 for both defendants.
Welcome! I agree. I only caught the last 30 minutes but I felt she was very affective and if I were on that jury I would appreciate her calm demeanor and how she laid out all the facts. There were some things she could have rehearsed, but all and all - effective I think. Contrast that to what we are hearing now. I can barely listen. I feel like Mr Z is screaming at me and he’s off putting and just coming off sleazy, throwing out stuff that doesn’t make sense compared to the evidence.
 
  • #514
I thought Cappleman did a good job wrapping up the cell phone stuff which clearly puts KM squarely with SG and LR, even at the time of the car rental (that she said she wasn't at). She went a little long, though.

I'm not understanding why everyone's saying the State won't be able to use her now to go after CA.
I agree with you! I thought she did a great job laying out all the evidence and connecting all the dots for the jury.
 
  • #515
Zangeneh is flat out lying about the evidence. That's not what Downing said. Smh.

Key bumps??

Coke all over his face?

Stop!! This is embarrassing.

Your client is on the ATM/bus video!! Are you kidding me with this closing? He's making himself look really bad.
Total Desperation. Nothing to work with. JMO.
 
  • #516
Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 2h2 hours ago
Cappleman is going through every piece of evidence that they have to create their argument that Garcia, Rivera, and Magbanua were paid off by the Adelson's to kill Dan Markel. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 1h1 hour ago
Cappleman is laying out those cell tower records to show the electronic and actual trail of the 3 people charged in this murder. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 1h1 hour ago
It’s dry, “but super important stuff,” Cappleman says of the many phone records in this case @WCTV


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 1h1 hour ago
Map shows Garcia and Rivera’s cell phones pinging towers from Miami to Tallahassee and back, prosecutors say that includes casing home day before murder and following Markel to Premier gym @WCTV


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 1h1 hour ago
Prosecutor claims phone records also corroborate Rivera’s claims of parties meeting in Miami the next morning for pay off, cites 40 minute flurry of calls @WCTV


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 1h1 hour ago
Prosecutor says “no proof of communication whatsoever” between Rivera and Adelsons, based on phone records @WCTV


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 1h1 hour ago
This is quite possibly the most amount of people I've seen throughout the trial. Attorneys are here. Markel's family is here. Just people interested in the case are here. The Adelson's are not. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 1h1 hour ago
Cappleman is detailing the web of communications and alleged the link to Magbanua

"We would have to speculate if we want to say there is some other link between the Adelsons and the killers. What is there evidence of? A link. And the link's name is Katherine Magbanua."


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 55m55 minutes ago
The prosecution is still laying out the evidence that they say supports their theory. Now Cappleman is talking about Magbanua's employment at the Adelson Institute. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 1h1 hour ago
Prosecutor showing pictures of cars and motorcycles purchased by Garcia and Rivera, says duo bought five vehicles within three months of murder, some within weeks @WCTV

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Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 59m59 minutes ago
Prosecutors once again showing graph that shows spike in Magbanua’s income the month after the murder @WCTV

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Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 40m40 minutes ago
She went through the spike in cash deposits to Magbanua's bank account and is now on the wiretaps


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 38m38 minutes ago
Primarily one where she and Charlie Adelson argue about calling the undercover FBI agent. Another betwen Garcia and Magbanua where she says "It’s getting too detailed. It’s somebody who knows for sure."


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 34m34 minutes ago
Remember that phone call where Magbanua cussed a lot? Cappleman is playing that again. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 33m33 minutes ago
“This is about the most premeditated murder imaginable,” Cappleman said of the murder for hire plot @WCTV


Julie Montanaro WCTV‏Verified account @JulieMontanaroW 32m32 minutes ago
Cappleman said investigators chased two leads ... the Prius and the custody battle ... and wound up here @WCTV


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 32m32 minutes ago
Cappleman: All the planning, all the meetings, all the calls came to fruition when Mr. Garcia fired those two shots into Mr. Markel’s car and affected so many lives.

"Both of these defendants are guilty of everything they've been charged with"


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 27m27 minutes ago
Georgia Cappleman: "Both of these defendants are guilty of everything that they've been charged with." #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27
 
  • #517
Even if your client is not the shooter he's guilty of first degree murder based on the principal rule. Either way, he was there and whether he did the shooting or Rivera did the shooting both are guilty of 1st degree murder. How is Zangeneh going to get around that rule?
 
  • #518
GC: I don't know I can't remember
Wow! She's being very flip and almost like she's over it! Very disappointing.

The state attorney, GC, is unable to read properly her prepared closing arguments. She mumbled towards the end of every sentence. It appears she was not involved with preparing the slides. The slides do not illustrate what she was reading. The dichotomy between her mumbling and the importance of what is being said is heart breaking. It were as if she attempts to soften the stance of the State towards the accused criminals.
But, why?
 
  • #519
You don't need to be a law professor or forensic expert to recognize how weak Zangeneh's closing is. However, you can only work with the cards you are dealt and you have to ask yourself what you'd do if in his place. This is pretty much the only game he has to play.
 
  • #520
Even if your client is not the shooter he's guilty of first degree murder based on the principal rule. Either way, he was there and whether he did the shooting or Rivera did the shooting both are guilty of 1st degree murder. How is Zangeneh going to get around that rule?

Maybe he's just trying to get the death penalty off the table.
 
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