GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU Law Professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #8 *arrests*

[vislaw]

I don't disagree with you and I too feel like the evidence is overwhelming and this jury should be able to reach a verdict. But I'm sure you'll agree that ultimately the state has the burden to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. And the fact that these jurors are asking so many questions about how to apply the law to the facts and in light of GC not covering this in her 2 hour closing you have to ask whether the fault lies with her. At least some of it does. JMO.

I understand your point and I did say that it certainly is reasonable to be critical of an attorney's performance. In this case, however, my personal opinion is that the prosecutor did a decent job of presenting the case and I sincerely believe that 9 out of 10 "reasonable" juries would come back with a verdict. Unfortunately, juries are always unpredictable. My jaw dropped when Casey Anthony was acquitted, for instance, and while the OJ prosecutors didn't do a great job, there was a mountain of evidence that a "reasonable" jury would have used to convict him. Ultimately, though, it will be the jury who holds the most responsibility here, whatever the outcome. They have more than enough evidence and a good set of instructions. Let's see what happens.

 

[clearskies1]

Based on the jury's questions during testimony, at least one person on the jury is smart and incisive.

 

[DropthePuck]

I am so glad GC brought it out that SG may have not known he was doing this for CA. Another poster came e up with that theory a day before and really made me think! Very possible!!

ETA - sorry for typos! I have two tiny kittens climbing on me while typing!

O/T: squee!!! Can you please post a pic of said kittens??? I just adore kittens.

 

[vislaw]

@vislaw

I keep thinking of your Nizer quote yesterday - which I liked very much. I worry that these jurors need neti pots

ETA Wanted to link your post but failed lol. It is seriously worth re-reading!

Thank you for the nice post. My company provides forensic support for both prosecutors and defense and I've had more than my share of anxious moments waiting on a verdict. The system is not perfect, but I still maintain that the right to a jury trial remains among our most precious rights as citizens of a free country.

 

[BebeD]

Based on the jury's questions during testimony, at least one person on the jury is smart and incisive.

I hope it wasn’t the alternate!!

 

[Gardenista]

O/T: squee!!! Can you please post a pic of said kittens??? I just adore kittens.

This is what I'm watching to calm me down

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[rgrene]

Based on the jury's questions during testimony, at least one person on the jury is smart and incisive.

And, one who clearly isn't.

 

[Gypsy Road]

O/T: squee!!! Can you please post a pic of said kittens??? I just adore kittens.

I just tried! I got an error that said file is too large! How do I do it?

 

[SeaEclipse]

It may be that, given the answer they got to the other question (yes of course you can convict some defendants/on some counts and hang on others), they're nailing down the verdicts they can reach first... which is actually a sensible way to proceed.

ETA: Sorry, this was in reply to post #979 about the jury not reasking their confusing question; screwed up the quoting function somehow.

 

[SeesSeas]

https://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/public/online_services/search_courts/search_by_name.asp
Leon County Clerk of Courts and Comptroller
Party Party Type Cjis Spn DOB Action Code File Date Judge Case Status Case Balance Case Number
GARCIA, SIGFREDO DEFENDANT 245505 1982 MURDER - FIRST DEGREE 05/27/2016 Open $0.00 2016 CF 001581 A001
GARCIA, SIGFREDO DEFENDANT 245505 1982 CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000496 A001
GARCIA, SIGFREDO DEFENDANT 245505 1982 SOLICITATION TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000496 A002

Party Party Type Cjis Spn DOB Action Code File Date Judge Case Status Case Balance Case Number
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE D DEFENDANT 247204 1984 MURDER-FIRST DEGREE 10/04/2016 Open $0.00 2016 CF 003036 A001
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE D DEFENDANT 247204 1984 CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000497 A001
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE D DEFENDANT 247204 1984 SOLICITATION TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000497 A002

 

[oviedo]

https://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/public/online_services/search_courts/search_by_name.asp

Party Party Type Cjis Spn DOB Action Code File Date Judge Case Status Case Balance Case Number
GARCIA, SIGFREDO DEFENDANT 245505 1982 MURDER - FIRST DEGREE 05/27/2016 Open $0.00 2016 CF 001581 A001
GARCIA, SIGFREDO DEFENDANT 245505 1982 CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000496 A001
GARCIA, SIGFREDO DEFENDANT 245505 1982 SOLICITATION TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000496 A002

Party Party Type Cjis Spn DOB Action Code File Date Judge Case Status Case Balance Case Number
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE D DEFENDANT 247204 1984 MURDER-FIRST DEGREE 10/04/2016 Open $0.00 2016 CF 003036 A001
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE D DEFENDANT 247204 1984 CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000497 A001
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE D DEFENDANT 247204 1984 SOLICITATION TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000497 A002

I hope they aren't having trouble convicting a young mother of first degree murder just because she did not do the actual killing - I really thought they would be fairly quick with guilty verdicts JMO

 

[YESorNO]

Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 10m10 minutes ago
GARCIA'S ATTORNEY WEIGHS IN: Saam Zangeneh talked to us while we wait for a verdict. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27

(video clip: Jada E. Williams on Twitter )

 

[fred&edna]

Thank you for the nice post. My company provides forensic support for both prosecutors and defense and I've had more than my share of anxious moments waiting on a verdict. The system is not perfect, but I still maintain that the right to a jury trial remains among our most precious rights as citizens of a free country.

Well yep, I agree. While jury trials scare me, the thought of not having the right to one IS far worse than scary.

 

[TTF14]

https://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/public/online_services/search_courts/search_by_name.asp
Leon County Clerk of Courts and Comptroller
Party Party Type Cjis Spn DOB Action Code File Date Judge Case Status Case Balance Case Number
GARCIA, SIGFREDO DEFENDANT 245505 1982 MURDER - FIRST DEGREE 05/27/2016 Open $0.00 2016 CF 001581 A001
GARCIA, SIGFREDO DEFENDANT 245505 1982 CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000496 A001
GARCIA, SIGFREDO DEFENDANT 245505 1982 SOLICITATION TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000496 A002

Party Party Type Cjis Spn DOB Action Code File Date Judge Case Status Case Balance Case Number
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE D DEFENDANT 247204 1984 MURDER-FIRST DEGREE 10/04/2016 Open $0.00 2016 CF 003036 A001
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE D DEFENDANT 247204 1984 CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000497 A001
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE D DEFENDANT 247204 1984 SOLICITATION TO COMMIT MURDER 02/07/2018 Open $0.00 2018 CF 000497 A002

Maybe they are hung up on SG's solicitation charge? He was the one solicited....he didn't do the soliciting....? Maybe?

 

[rgrene]

Well yep, I agree. While jury trials scare me, the thought of not having the right to one IS far worse than scary.

Just too bad Judge Hank is not deciding the case, he was done on Wednesday and ready for the penalty phase.

 

[clearskies1]

Maybe they are hung up on SG's solicitation charge? He was the one solicited....he didn't do the soliciting....? Maybe?

What about soliciting LR? JMO.

 

[fred&edna]

Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 10m10 minutes ago
GARCIA'S ATTORNEY WEIGHS IN: Saam Zangeneh talked to us while we wait for a verdict. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27

(video clip: Jada E. Williams on Twitter )

SG shaking hands with a guy (.36)... Who is this? Anyone know?

 

[justice1960]

KM should have requested a speedy trial if she was going to take the witness stand. Why wait 3 years? What a waste of time.

 

[TTF14]

What about soliciting LR? JMO.

True.......

 

[Gardenista]

Jada has a scary poll up on her twitter

Jada E. Williams
@JadaEWilliams
·
1h
POLL TIME: We're on verdict watch, and you guys have seen the questions from the jury. What do you think the verdict will be? Reply if you think the jury will be hung.
Both Guilty 49%
Both Not Guilty 2%
SG Guilty, KM Not Guilty 43%
SG Not Guilty, KM Guilty 6%
125 votes · 22 hours left