GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU Law Professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 *arrests* #12

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  • #261
Personally, I don’t think Charlie set out to date Katherine because she had ties to shady people and could get the deal done for him. I think it was as simple as - he was initially attracted to her, started dating her, they became intimate, had some extensive pillow talk about Dan, the problem up north, and they hatched the plan together after he dangled $100,000.00 reward in front of her. Perfect storm of people coming together.
 
  • #262
Another somewhat maddening exchange from Ms. Kawass' Instagram:

joe_waczewski
@tarakawass just answer me this simple question: if Katie is so innocent as you say she is, why didn’t she go to the police immediately as soon as Charlie started plotting?

tarakawass
@joe_waczewski I’m not understanding the question. The guilty verdict doesn’t change the evidence. She did not know - notice the prosecutor herself couldn’t point to one piece of direct evidence in her rebuttal. Why wouldn’t she take the deal if she were guilty?? Answer me that.


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I think Ms Kawass might still believe Santa and The Easter Bunny are real.

All kidding aside…I’m starting to believe that Ms Kawass doesn’t truly think her client is innocent at all, and that this is all just a big defense attorney play. There is no way an educated, logical, talented lawyer like Ms. Kawass can just take KM’s word for it and be done with it - “my client is innocent because she said so”. Scott Peterson, OJ, Casey Anthony said they were innocent too. I know she had a job to do, but Ms Kawass has refused to look at the vast amount of evidence that points to KM’s guilt. She should probably just stop posting her thoughts on KM on IG and start brainstorming and working hard on her next case because she’s starting to come off silly. JMO
 
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  • #263
Tara's extraordinary commitment to Katie's innocence kind of smells like fear that Katie will fess up. ... Very interesting indeed.
Imagine the histrionics we will see from Kawass if Katie does come clean and make a deal. She will feign shock and surprise worthy of an academy award.
 
  • #264
On second thought, Charlie probably only dangled $50,000 in front of Katie for the murder, and being the opportunistic person that she is - she prolly said “double that amount and we have a deal”. JMO
 
  • #265
how bad would you like to see the bodycam footage of DA rattled out of bed and arrested at 3am by LE!
 
  • #266
Well, if CA has paid for their attorneys and something corrupt is going on, that should never happen, right?
 
  • #267
As Georgia Cappleman said on the "Over My Dead Body" podcast - whatever is keeping KM from talking it must be pretty heavy. I entertained the notion after the cell phone testimony in this trial that KM might want to deal but... no. For me, the cell phone pinging nailed her. If she went to visit the friend near the airport why didn't the defense call that friend and have her testify that yes, Katie visited her both of those dates and times? Just lying about it to the jury is stupid. That cross examination was ... OUCH. So good. But I still have this crazy feeling that Georgia doesn't think she needs her anymore. She kind of alluded to that in her close, "maybe she thinks she can make a deal after she is convicted - we'll see how that goes" said very sarcastically.

I would truly love to visit the inside of Donna's head right now. I bet it is all she can think about. I bet she can't enjoy anything. TV, Books, Shopping. I bet it hangs on her like the chains on Marley's ghost.

I do hope we will hear a little about what the jury thought. I would like to know if any wanted to acquit or only convict on conspiracy but were persuaded otherwise. I do think the enhanced Dolce Vita tape made a lot of difference this time around.
 
  • #268
Well, if CA has paid for their attorneys and something corrupt is going on, that should never happen, right?

1. is it just coincidence that out of all the attorneys in Miami, KM picked DeCoste who just so happened to be in the same exact office as CA's attorney Markus?
2. if it's not the alleged masterminds, who would be this secret very wealthy benefactor willing to spend hundreds of thousands for KM's defense, not once, but twice, even in the face of her obvious guilt and an offer of a plea deal to walk? what's in it for them? DeCoste alluded to although did not state as fact that it was KM's family who plundered their own retirement plans. if it is her family, why keep it secret?
 
  • #269
I just had a look KM’s docket at the Leon County Court site out of curiosity.

What does this mean?

May 31, 2022 “motion to intervene and to vacate order sealing recording of jail calls”

Charlie’s docket has nothing new
 
  • #270
A guy who apparently is an adjunct professor asked her directly who was paying for the defense:

joe_waczewski
@tarakawass So confess… who’s really paying you to defend Magbanua? Is Wendy Adelson sending you that money through an intermediary to keep her ? If she’s so “innocent” as you say she is, why didn’t she go to police to tell on Charlie as soon as Charlie started plotting ?

tarakawass
@joe_waczewski because she didn’t do it! If you or the state can’t answer that question then there’s a problem. And we already showed the judge who paid our legal fees in 2017. Why can’t you use common sense instead of buying into the drama and lies spun by the media. You answered your own question. We showed the judge back in 2017 exactly who and how we were paid. Also she was declared indigent after her last trial. I expected little more research from adjunct professor before making a comment like that.

joe_waczewski
@tarakawass no need to belittle me with those putdown comments. I didn’t do that to you. I was asking you directly about it. You are pretty arrogant and condescending.. I can tell.

tarakawass
@joe_waczewski that was a put down comment - suggesting that I am unethical and accepting payments in an underhanded way. This was decided by a judge months ago but you still make the insinuation. In what way did I belittle you besides answer your question.

tarakawass
@joe_waczewski and this is not a put down comment?? Your previous comments were. Unnecessary

tarakawass
@joe_waczewski how did you you expect me to react when you make an unfounded accusation about my ethics as an attorney? Especially when it is out there that a judge determined that No Adelson had nothing to you with our representation. Your comment was offensive.

joe_waczewski
@tarakawass I wasn’t making any suggestions. I wanted to clarify who was paying for her defense.. unless you were spending millions probono or taking something from someone else …

tarakawass
@joe_waczewski you specifically asked if we were accepting payment from Wendi through an unknown intermediary. Those were your words. And we answered years ago in a hearing with receipts. If it was good enough for the Judge why isn’t it good enough for you?

joe_waczewski
@tarakawass with all due respect, regarding Katie’s “innocence” , it’s just too “coincidental” that two gangsters related to her will all of a sudden decide out of their own volition to drive to Tallahassee to target Dan Markel without Katie’s knowledge at least …
Funny: I just responded this string between Kawass and Joe Waczewski with the following:

"Katie got arrested in 2016. Phones you. 20 minutes later Charlie Adelson's lawyer phones Det. Isom on the scene to inquire about status of warrants for his client. If Adelson's aren't involved in Katie's Defense, why is the very first thing you do after Katie's arrest is phone Charlie Adelson's lawyer? Second: if Charlie and Garcia hatched the murder plan behind Katie's back without her knowledge, which you promised to prove beyond ANY doubt at trial, where is the proof? Why don't you just agree to release the jailhouse calls between Magbanua and Garcia?"

.......and she blocked me. She didn't even let that post stand for 10 minutes. Im glad she at least read it, lmao.
 
  • #271
I just had a look KM’s docket at the Leon County Court site out of curiosity.

What does this mean?

May 31, 2022 “motion to intervene and to vacate order sealing recording of jail calls”

Charlie’s docket has nothing new
Mentour Lawyer filed a motion to unseal the calls but that motion was denied by the Judge without a hearing. That doesnt mean they will be unsealed forever, but likely until after sentencing at least.
 
  • #272
Kawass is bordering on insufferable at this point. Not only is she disingenuous about Katie's morality, she's actually disingenuous about everything including how she completely evaded the very simple question she was responding to. Even the way she asks witnesses "how they are doing?" as if she actually gives a flying how they are doing, is disingenuous.

But perhaps the worst thing about her is that she actually plays very dirty. Despite pre-trial motions barring her from garnering sympathy about Katie's mother dying, her child's autism or the fake "immunity" offer that never happened....she asked direct questions about all of these things, hoping to get them on record. She also tried to get Cappleman tossed off the case based on trumped up allegations that Georgia mislead the court in the first trial, when in fact it was two very minor technical mistakes by witnesses, one of which actually helped the defense. She's on Instagram complaining about the Judge not allowing exculpatory evidence. Just extremely childish and unprofessional behaviour.

In closing, when Kawass challenged Cappleman to explain why Katie wouldn't take a deal, I really liked Georgia's rebuttal but I really wish she would have added: "I'm not going to take up the Defense on their challenge because the Defense didn't even have the guts to live up to their own challenge. In their opening statement, they told you that they were going to prove beyond any doubt that Charlie Adelson and Sigfredo Garcia planned and carried out this murder together behind Katies back. Well, we have been here for 2 weeks. Where is it? What is this proof? I'd love to see it. And I am sure you would too. But we didn't see it because there is not even a shred of evidence of this. Its a fantasy. A made up story. And thats why Ms. Kawass is not talking about this in her closing, so she wants to distract you with anything else. Especially the evidence. She does not want you to look at the evidence."
I’m sure if Cappelman had said that Kawass would’ve jumped up to object “burden shifting.”

Regarding Kawass’ IG comments - I think defense attorneys need to stay off social media. That’s not what IG/social media is for. These types of protestations work for a press conference but not on social media. Know your medium! At the very least don’t go back and forth arguing with people. Again, Kawass and DeCoste’s IG pages are so off!
 
  • #273
how bad would you like to see the bodycam footage of DA rattled out of bed and arrested at 3am by LE!
I won’t lie. I’ve checked Google a few times today to see if there were any more Adelson arrests.
 
  • #274
Mentour Lawyer filed a motion to unseal the calls but that motion was denied by the Judge without a hearing. That doesnt mean they will be unsealed forever, but likely until after sentencing at least.
Thank you!
 
  • #275
Funny: I just responded this string between Kawass and Joe Waczewski with the following:

"Katie got arrested in 2016. Phones you. 20 minutes later Charlie Adelson's lawyer phones Det. Isom on the scene to inquire about status of warrants for his client. If Adelson's aren't involved in Katie's Defense, why is the very first thing you do after Katie's arrest is phone Charlie Adelson's lawyer? Second: if Charlie and Garcia hatched the murder plan behind Katie's back without her knowledge, which you promised to prove beyond ANY doubt at trial, where is the proof? Why don't you just agree to release the jailhouse calls between Magbanua and Garcia?"

.......and she blocked me. She didn't even let that post stand for 10 minutes. Im glad she at least read it, lmao.
Great response to Kawass! She blocked me too
 
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  • #276
how bad would you like to see the bodycam footage of DA rattled out of bed and arrested at 3am by LE!
To be truthful, I've already announced a celebratory lunch for the staff at my dental practice when DA gets arrested! (I can barely wait!)
 
  • #277
It is interesting to imagine how things would have proceeded had Dan's neighbors not been at home to make the quick report of seeing a "Prius-like vehicle." Certainly, that helped law enforcement immensely, but in its absence wouldn't the police have pulled the CCTV footage from Premier Gym to see Markel being stalked by the Prius? And aside from that, the bitter divorce and acrimony among the Adelsons would have led the investigation down that path anyway. There literally isn't any other plausible motive. My point is that I believe the identify of Garcia and Rivera would have been learned eventually along with Katie's link to Charlie.

It amazes me that Charlie and Donna would believe they could commission a hit through such amateurs and get away with it. With a motive so obvious and a victim so prominent and clean, wouldn't almost anybody intelligent figure there is a strong likelihood of being caught? I mean, an execution???? You would think they would have tried a break-in at night in a burglary-gone-wrong scenario. Break a window and steal some stuff etc.

BBM -- the sentiment contains its own answer, IMO. Amateur criminals hire amateur criminals -- I really think it's as simple as that. Or, the criminals that itinerant dentists manage to fraternize with should absolutely not be the criminals those dentists hire to carry out a complicated, apparently motiveless hit on a college professor that will certainly be rigorously investigated. So, combine CA's amateurism with his seeming arrogance and possible altered state at the time of the master-minding and you get, fortunately, this level of incompetence. The Sievers case comes to mind as a similar example.

On a separate note, I'm not sure that ethnic/religious identity has much to do with this case -- clearly the Adelsons were unreliable observers of their faith, and betrayed some of its most critical tenets by word and deed, so yeah. But I confess to some discomfort with discussions of CA's obviously "Jewish" looks and mannerisms. JMO.

Anyhoo. Great to see KM convicted and some measure of justice achieved. Roll on the main course and, hopefully, at least a partial repatriation of the Markel grandchildren.
 
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  • #278
Charlie might play SPEEDY GAMES regarding SPEEDY TRIAL. . . Thoughts?

STATE OF FLORIDA vs ADELSON, CHARLES

As amended through May 5, 2022
Rule 3.191 - SPEEDY TRIAL
(a) Speedy Trial without Demand.
Except as otherwise provided by this rule, and subject to the limitations imposed under subdivisions (e) and (f), every person charged with a crime shall be brought to trial within 90 days of arrest if the crime charged is a misdemeanor, or within 175 days of arrest if the crime charged is a felony.
[...]

SPEEDY TRIAL, SPEEDY GAMES
Vol. 76, No. 11 December 2002 Pg 26
Rule 3.191 of the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure provides that all persons charged with a crime in the State of Florida are entitled to a speedy trial. In the absence of a demand for a speedy trial, persons charged with a felony are entitled to be brought to trial within 175 days of having been taken into custody and persons charged with misdemeanors are entitled to be brought to trial within 90 days of having been taken into custody. All defendants with a bona fide desire to obtain a trial sooner than otherwise might be provided can demand the right to be brought to trial within 60 days by filing a demand for speedy trial. Upon expiration of the appropriate time period, a defendant may file a notice of expiration of speedy trial time. Within five days of receipt of the notice of expiration, the trial court must hold a hearing to determine whether the failure to bring the defendant to trial is attributable to the defendant and, if not, schedule trial within 10 days of the hearing. A defendant not brought to trial within this “window” period may be entitled to discharge.

The purpose of the speedy trial rule is to ensure a speedy trial, not a speedy discharge. Nonetheless, there are many examples of attempts to use the speedy trial rule as a means to avoid a trial on the merits. This article will discuss judicial treatment of the many games that have been played in the attempt to subvert the intent of the speedy trial rule.
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  • #279
Highly unlikely in a case this complex.
 
  • #280
Highly unlikely in a case this complex.
Attorneys for Lori Vallow attempted to play this game in that high profile and complex case. She petitioned the court to have her trial in October after her co-murdering husband's case got bumped to next year. Fortunately, the judge denied her motion and is making her go to trial joined with Chad Daybell next year. I do think they need to charge Donna in the near future to assure they CAN try them together.
 
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