FL - Derek Rosa, 13, charged as adult in stabbing death of mother Irina Garcia in her sleep, 13 Oct 2023

[Seattle1]

Not necessarily. Some can still study if they are smart but all after school problems become a problem because they are so hyperactive.
My question is, did he have to change school when his mom got married? Did he fit into a new school?

Miami Telemundo station has had many soundbites from the Courthouse by people attending DR's hearings, and I recall one viewer who said they'd gone to school with DR since 2nd grade which caused me to speculate he's likely remained in the same school district/area for the past 6 years (grades 2-8). Just speculation...

Also, it was Land & Crime where I first saw the reference to "straight A student" and "good kid" (boy), citing LT Rodriguez.

Oct 15, 2023:

The murder “left everybody dumbfounded,” Rodriguez said. He called it a “huge tragedy,” that left a Garcia’s mother without a daughter and Rosa’s biological father essentially without a son.

The lieutenant described Rosa as an 8th grader and honor roll student at iMater Charter Middle/High School. Friends and family described him as a “good kid” and a straight A student. The teenager had no history of mental health challenges; neither did his family. There were no fights, and he got along with both his stepfather and half-sister, Rodriguez said.

Straight A student stabbed mother to death in her sleep near newborn baby: Cops

A 13-year-old boy stabbed his mother to death in her sleep near his 14-day-old half-sister's crib, police said.

lawandcrime.com

 

[Seattle1]

Land Law & Crime

^^I swear, auto-spell is going to be the end of me, today!

 

[Charlot123]

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IMO, that seems to be the consensus from the Miami area-- DR manipulated to murder his mother because he's a minor whereas the party controlling the puppet strings could be sentenced to death. I'm appalled they don't believe the video from the bedroom is DR.

I think the video is him. And, we may never know why he was so angry with the mom, and maybe he is blocking it even now.

However, one of the reasons for kids to be so angry with parents is the feeling of not being protected by the parents.

And then what came to my mind was a derogatory word he used about the mom, "a lesbian". Maybe a Spanish-speaking person could contribute, but I don't think it is on top 10 derogatory words in Spanish, or in any language. Why, if he was jealous of mom, or even disliking her new marriage, he didn't say something akin to "a woman of ill repute", which is common in Spanish? Why a word that is not even that humiliating?

And then I thought, could it be reaction formation? An ego defense, "reaction formation is an unconscious psychological defense mechanism aimed to reduce anxiety about an internalized drive, belief, feeling, or behavior which is manifested by an overt behavior or stance that is the direct opposite".

In short, confused/scared about own masculinity, he blames the mom of being "a lesbian".

And of course, the next question is, could the boy have been sexually abused, maybe outside of home, by an older person? And perhaps mother was preoccupied by dating, new marriage, pregnancy and didn't notice the telltale signs? And DR was blaming her for this?

Because - it was planned as murder/suicide. Even with potential jealousy about the baby, I see no hatred towards her. Rather, the opposite: DR couldn't kill the baby, couldn't kill himself. Every ounce of hatred goes towards eradicating the mother, punishing her.

So, maybe an adult man is somehow present in his life?

I also want to know, is there any possibility that DR was physically present when Irina was giving birth? (Usually in US the father is, some even make videos). However, in DR's family, judging by the photo of his pregnant mother, the boundaries were somehow blurred. Or maybe stepfather took a video of the delivery process and DR saw it?

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I have read and pressed 'quote' for many of the posts but before I forget, I think the 'lesbian' slur is a jealousy thing.
JMO. I think he may have been the 'baby','only child' mommys favourite" for 13 years, then the new baby comes, she takes moms attention, keeps crying when he is trying to sleep, and feeds from mom.
I think this is the problem, she suckles.
At that age, breasts are important and that's his mom and that baby is always at her breasts and mom is chilled, happy and naturally, falling in love with her baby. That baby is a girl, hence 'lesbian'. its almost like a combination of opedial complex, adhd, online peer influence and sleep deprevation.
ETA: None of that is ANY excuse

 

[ChatteringBirds]

IMO, I think it's more likely that he was exposed to anti-mother/anti-women garbage online. His mother was the victim, and it's wasn't anything she did or did not do.

There is NOTHING rational to explain the kind of abusive behavior and extreme domestic violence that he exhibited that night. He knew it was wrong because he called 911, surrendered to police, etc.

Anti-mom stuff is naturally a popular theme on YouTube, etc. My own son has sent me a few videos along the lines of "Signs your parents are toxic" and "My mother vs. Everyone Else's Mother."
Some of these videos are actually kind-of funny but others are really negative and manipulative. They try to convince kids that that if we insist they do homework before playing video games, do chores, set rules, set limits that we are "toxic" parents and that mothers are the enemy.

I understand wanting to believe kids are good deep down and he was just reacting to some unknown severe trauma, but even if he had trauma, which we have no evidence for, it's not a reason or excuse.

He's already a teenager, not a small kid. Imagine how abusive he will be toward any girls he dates if he goes free. IMO/JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

Latest from DR's court docket since his 12/14-15 Evidentiary hearing to return to Miami-Dade Juvenile Detention. Appears to have a fan base.

https://www2.miamidadeclerk.gov/cjis/CaseSearch.aspx

State Case No.:

13-2023-CF-021321-0001-XX

Name:

ROSA, DEREK

Date of Birth:

08/26/2010

View Image	DIN	Date	Book/Page	Docket
	77	12/19/2023	REPORT RE: MOTIONS SET FOR 12/28/2023 AT 09:00
	76	12/19/2023	REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 12/28/2023 AT 09:00
	75	12/15/2023	LETTER FROM:- DEFT/FRIEND/RELATIVE/PARENT...
	74	12/18/2023	REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 12/19/2023 AT 09:00
	73	12/18/2023	LETTER FROM:- SAYRELYS VAZQUEZ
	72	12/18/2023	LETTER FROM:- GIZELLE SAINT FELIX
	71	12/18/2023	LETTER FROM:- NIDYA MARQUEZ
	70	12/18/2023	LETTER FROM:- SAYRELYS VAZQUZ
	69	12/18/2023	LETTER FROM:- PUBLIC
	68	12/18/2023	LETTER FROM:- PUBLIC
	67	12/18/2023	LETTER FROM:- PUBLIC
	66	12/18/2023	LETTER FROM:- PUBLIC
	65	12/15/2023	ORDER DENYING MTN FOR REMAND OF DEFT TO MIAMI DADE REG JUVENILE CTR FILED 10/27/23
	64	12/15/2023	EXHIBIT LIST
	63	12/14/2023	REPORT RE: EVIDENTIARY HEARING SET FOR 12/15/2023 AT 09:00
	61	12/07/2023	REPORT RE: EVIDENTIARY HEARING SET FOR 12/14/2023 AT 09:00

Seq No.	Charge	Charge Type	Disposition
1	MURDER 1ST DEGREE	FELONY

 

[Seattle1]

IMO, I think it's more likely that he was exposed to anti-mother/anti-women garbage online. His mother was the victim, and it's wasn't anything she did or did not do.

There is NOTHING rational to explain the kind of abusive behavior and extreme domestic violence that he exhibited that night. He knew it was wrong because he called 911, surrendered to police, etc.

Anti-mom stuff is naturally a popular theme on YouTube, etc. My own son has sent me a few videos along the lines of "Signs your parents are toxic" and "My mother vs. Everyone Else's Mother."
Some of these videos are actually kind-of funny but others are really negative and manipulative. They try to convince kids that that if we insist they do homework before playing video games, do chores, set rules, set limits that we are "toxic" parents and that mothers are the enemy.

I understand wanting to believe kids are good deep down and he was just reacting to some unknown severe trauma, but even if he had trauma, which we have no evidence for, it's not a reason or excuse.

He's already a teenager, not a small kid. Imagine how abusive he will be toward any girls he dates if he goes free. IMO/JMO.

I absolutely agree. I think the adults in the home may have misread the teen being quiet and orderly in his room as DR is safe, and I know where he is at, but failed to recognize this could also mean that those quiet hours were most likely DR feeding his mind with hate and violence.

I equate it similar to the online predator-- grooming your child while you are seated only feet away across the hallway under the roof of the family home.

IMO, IG, the mother and victim was happily distracted in the months and days leading up to this horrific event, and DR probably didn't understand it, and most likely sought attention from the first predatory sight that would have him.

Viewing his school's website -- it appeared to me that the institution was equipped with all the resources that could have accessed DR's needs and provide resources including multi-levels of counseling, mental health, peer to peer, etc. and now seems such a waste.
MOO

 

[Seattle1]

The family resided at Amelia Oaks Apartment:
231 W 79th Pl, Hialeah, FL 33014
https://www.apartments.com/amelia-oaks-hialeah-fl/xyxetxm/#descriptionSection

DR's school: iMater Charter Middle/High School
651 W 20th St, Hialeah, FL 33010

Less than 5 miles -- a very direct route.

231 W 79th Pl to iMater Charter Middle/High School

www.google.com

ETA: add link

13-year-old boy fatally stabs mother in Hialeah, police say

A 13-year-old boy is in custody after Hialeah police say he killed his mother late Thursday night.

www.local10.com

 

[Charlot123]

I have read and pressed 'quote' for many of the posts but before I forget, I think the 'lesbian' slur is a jealousy thing.
JMO. I think he may have been the 'baby','only child' mommys favourite" for 13 years, then the new baby comes, she takes moms attention, keeps crying when he is trying to sleep, and feeds from mom.
I think this is the problem, she suckles.
At that age, breasts are important and that's his mom and that baby is always at her breasts and mom is chilled, happy and naturally, falling in love with her baby. That baby is a girl, hence 'lesbian'. its almost like a combination of opedial complex, adhd, online peer influence and sleep deprevation.
ETA: None of that is ANY excuse

Very correct.
Oedipal complex, ADHD, peer influence, sleep deprivation, all in a boy that struggles with own budding sexuality.
Breast-feeding that is the epitome of motherhood in an adult brain, might be totally misunderstood by a very immature boy.

One would always ask, what about other families, what about peasantry and pre-contraception times, when children, essentially, would live in one room with parents? But as I have noticed, those people were total adults by sixteen. (My great-grandmother had her first child at sixteen and later that child, my grandma, was left at her sixteen in a village full of bodies of those dead from "trench fever" typhus. She took full care of her parents and two younger siblings who were ill, and saved them. Life was such that people matured fast.)

Now as it takes longer to educate a kid, no one would consider a 13-year-old close to adults, and Covid isolation, IMHO, slowed their development even more. I mentally substract two years from their biological age, maybe it is too much, but a year, for sure.

 

[Charlot123]

But what does it mean
"good boy"?

Does it mean he was spending hours in his room playing games quietly?
Not hanging out with friends?
Not creating any problems?

13 year olds are usually rebellious, they argue with parents.
For a teenager, rebellion usually has positive connotations, while parents often associate it with something negative that simply
"needs to be endured".

But rebellion is developmental regularity.

At this stage, young people mature and become interested in emotional relationships.
Friends play an increasingly important role in a teenager's life.

Does being a "good boy" according to family mean being quiet, meek, inhibited, not hanging out with friends, staying all time at home?

JMO

It is exactly like this if one of the parents was like this as a child and grew into a "model citizen, working, married". Let's be honest - ASD is genetic, so if one of the bioparents saw themselves in DR, his "peculiarities" would have been missed. And in a big school a quiet boy who is not into drugs and brings homework would be perceived as fine.

 

[Charlot123]

One doesn't rule out the other. I went to a selective high school, and I had learning disabilities (undiagnosed). My best friend there had severe dyslexia. A kid in a younger grade had what was then called 'classic autism', complete with echolalia and regular meltdowns. People sometimes assume learning disabilities implies an intellectual disability, but it doesn't, necessarily.

MOO

Just wanted to mention, dyslexia at least is diagnosable, although often missed. I recently got interested in prosopagnosia (facial blindness) - people live with it for years and have no clue and of course, their social life being very difficult. I think the science behind these conditions is yet developing.

 

[iamshadow21]

Just wanted to mention, dyslexia at least is diagnosable, although often missed. I recently got interested in prosopagnosia (facial blindness) - people live with it for years and have no clue and of course, their social life being very difficult. I think the science behind these conditions is yet developing.

Both my mum and partner have prosopagnosia. I have it too. My partner also has aphantasia. Doesn't stop her being an incredible visual artist and crafter.

None of us realised that our experiences had a name for them until we were well and truly adults. Late diagnosis is very much a thing.

MOO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Just wanted to mention, dyslexia at least is diagnosable, although often missed. I recently got interested in prosopagnosia (facial blindness) - people live with it for years and have no clue and of course, their social life being very difficult. I think the science behind these conditions is yet developing.

I believe I have a mild form of prosopagnosia myself. I do eventually recognize faces but it takes me several more encounters to do so than it seems to take most folks.

Have you read this book about it? I found it very interesting.

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[Emerald1328]

His not knowing his address left me dumbstruck.
6/7 year old kids in the school I work know their addresses perfectly.

I believe jail teachers who suggested learning disability of some kind.

Absolutely there is something not right.
How come it was not noticed before?

As for other strange questions he asked - maybe he was in some kind of trance?

This is a psychiatric case IMO.

My heart breaks for the motherless baby girl
What a tragedy.

JMO

I have a 13 year old son and asked him our address, confident he would know it. Nope - he knows the street name but not the number. I guess it’s something I never thought to teach him (though his 11 year old brother does know his address). He by no means has any learning disability, but he does have ADHD. Maybe that is why he can’t retain it when I know he’s heard it a million times.

All this to say, him not knowing his address may not have anything to do with his intellectual capabilities.

 

[iamshadow21]

I believe I have a mild form of prosopagnosia myself. I do eventually recognize faces but it takes me several more encounters to do so than it seems to take most folks.

Have you read this book about it? I found it very interesting.

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Not yet! I'll add it to the to-read list.

 

[Dotta]

All this to say, him not knowing his address may not have anything to do with his intellectual capabilities.

But it says something about him.
And it is worrying.
As if he was living in a fantasy world - oblivious of the most prosaic/basic facts of life.
His own home address.

JMO

 

[Charlot123]

I believe I have a mild form of prosopagnosia myself. I do eventually recognize faces but it takes me several more encounters to do so than it seems to take most folks.

Have you read this book about it? I found it very interesting.

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I haven't read this one, I read a very interesting article (I think, in Atlantic, but not 100% sure). The author, a gifted journalist, is diagnosed with prosopagnosia in her mid-30es or early 40es, and undergoes training in VA in Boston. The training is not too helpful, but the social struggles she describes before the diagnosis, OMG.

A trivia: delusions of doubles, or Capgrass syndrome, would be probably best explained by prosopagnosia. In old times, it was listed among the delusions typical for schizophrenia, only often it is an isolated delusions in non-psychotic people. When I read about delusions of doubles and prosopagnosia, I though, OMG! The person leaves for school early and the parents are in houserobes. He comes home, and they are dressed up, maybe coiffed differently. Same voice, same smell, but the picture has somehow changed. The brain offers an explanation, "replaced by doubles". (Some say, "abducted by aliens and replaced by doubles", but it is not psychosis either. After all, what can a confused brain, unaware of prosopagnosia, offer to explain "the changed pricture"?)

About DR, I think the neuropsychologists have to do all the tests available, I just feel the boy suffers from some condition, but I don't know what it is. We are, essentially, not informed at all. The situation is tragic but also, too rare, too strange, too unusual.

 

[Charlot123]

But it says something about him.
And it is worrying.
As if he was living in a fantasy world - oblivious of the most prosaic/basic facts of life.
His own home address.

JMO

Dotta, do you think he can be more amenable to open-ended questions, or closed-ended ones? I doubt he can explain, but he doesn't appear a liar.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I just feel the boy suffers from some condition,

I wonder, Could youth, untreated ADHD, exposure to violent media, plus being manipulated by his online "friend" be "enough?"

ETA: In cases where a juvenile stabs someone that many times, people here, including me, tend to say, they must not have a conscience. However I wish society could understand this kind of behavior more.

 

[Dotta]

Dotta, do you think he can be more amenable to open-ended questions, or closed-ended ones? I doubt he can explain, but he doesn't appear a liar.

It should start with open-ended questions to let him express himself freely.
Then follow with close-ended ones to explain specific details.

Everybody likes to be listened to with attention haha

JMO