FL - Derek Rosa, 13, charged as adult in stabbing death of mother Irina Garcia in her sleep, 13 Oct 2023

[mickey2942]

I agree with much of the above---it is complicated.

A mental health facility would be more appropriate however I have seen so many cases where the violent, unpredictable patient gets on the right medication and is then diagnosed as stable, and is released into the public.

Of course that can cause a lot of turmoil and chaos for the mental health of the patient, and they often stop taking their meds and they can spiral.

True. I always remember Edmund Kemper. Although, in his case, the FBI profiler, in writing the book, "Manhunter", said that he thought EK would have been a normal person, if not for his Mother.

Edmund Kemper - Wikipedia

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[imstilla.grandma]

New footage released by Univision reveals key moments from the Hialeah Police investigation into the tragic murder of 39-year-old Irina García, who was fatally stabbed in her apartment on the night of October 12, 2023. The primary suspect in this heartbreaking crime is her 13-year-old son, Derek Rosa.

Among the videos, one stands out, capturing the arrival of Isabel Acosta, Irina's mother and Derek's grandmother, at the crime scene. Unaware of the full extent of the tragedy, she came with another grandson, confused and seeking answers. However, the most compelling footage is a 13-minute interview in which a homicide detective questions Isabel inside a vehicle. The video captures her growing distress as she begins to suspect the worst about her daughter.

Shocking Details Emerge from Police Interview with Derek Rosa's Grandmother After Cuban Woman's Murder

New footage released by Univision reveals key moments from the Hialeah Police investigation into the tragic murder of 39-year-old Irina García, who wa...

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Isabel reported that upon receiving a call from her son around 11:47 p.m. on October 12, she tried to reach Irina, but she did not answer.

That information was verified by the detective through the analysis of the cell phone's call log.

In the final part of the interview, the detective asked him why he thought Frank Ramos didn't call her directly on the phone to alert her that something serious was happening at the house, and why he used his son Irán as an intermediary.

"I don't know," replied the woman, visibly affected.

Shortly after, emotionally shattered, she asked again: “What happened to my daughter, huh? [...] Oh my God, I think it's that I no longer have a daughter. She's not alive,” she said, which prompted the officer to conclude the interrogation

Thus was the shocking police interview with Derek Rosa's grandmother following the murder of the Cuban Irina García

Since the crime occurred and Derek Rosa was accused of murdering his mother, Isabel Acosta has pleaded for mercy for her grandson and has defended him.

en.cibercuba.com

 

[iusedtofloat]

I think it's hard for many people to understand that children committing crimes is much different than adults committing crimes, psychologically, even if those crimes have the same devastating impact across the board. Hope that makes sense.
I used to believe in adult charges for kids who commit murder until I listened to an extremely informative podcast about the issue. I'll try to locate it if anyone is interested.

 

[iusedtofloat]

I kind of love this judge. Absolutely. Teachers from his middle school should be interviewed.... did he have any signs of being on the spectrum? Did he have any confrontations with students? Violent outbursts? Knowing these things would reflect a LOT more imo on DR's mental state, rather than a teacher who sees him a few hours a day a few times a week. "I don't understand" is a good mantra to keep saying to everyone and himself after the crime he allegedly committed. Imo he's a danger to everyone, even that Teacher. Frightening. Moo.

I'm on the spectrum and didn't have frequent outbursts or confrontations with students as a kid. Friendly reminder it is a spectrum for a reason.

 

[iusedtofloat]

New footage released by Univision reveals key moments from the Hialeah Police investigation into the tragic murder of 39-year-old Irina García, who was fatally stabbed in her apartment on the night of October 12, 2023. The primary suspect in this heartbreaking crime is her 13-year-old son, Derek Rosa.

Among the videos, one stands out, capturing the arrival of Isabel Acosta, Irina's mother and Derek's grandmother, at the crime scene. Unaware of the full extent of the tragedy, she came with another grandson, confused and seeking answers. However, the most compelling footage is a 13-minute interview in which a homicide detective questions Isabel inside a vehicle. The video captures her growing distress as she begins to suspect the worst about her daughter.

Shocking Details Emerge from Police Interview with Derek Rosa's Grandmother After Cuban Woman's Murder

New footage released by Univision reveals key moments from the Hialeah Police investigation into the tragic murder of 39-year-old Irina García, who wa...

www.cubaheadlines.com

Isabel reported that upon receiving a call from her son around 11:47 p.m. on October 12, she tried to reach Irina, but she did not answer.

That information was verified by the detective through the analysis of the cell phone's call log.

In the final part of the interview, the detective asked him why he thought Frank Ramos didn't call her directly on the phone to alert her that something serious was happening at the house, and why he used his son Irán as an intermediary.

"I don't know," replied the woman, visibly affected.

Shortly after, emotionally shattered, she asked again: “What happened to my daughter, huh? [...] Oh my God, I think it's that I no longer have a daughter. She's not alive,” she said, which prompted the officer to conclude the interrogation

Thus was the shocking police interview with Derek Rosa's grandmother following the murder of the Cuban Irina García

Since the crime occurred and Derek Rosa was accused of murdering his mother, Isabel Acosta has pleaded for mercy for her grandson and has defended him.

en.cibercuba.com

this kind of footage makes me so uncomfortable. grandma isn't a suspect being interrogated, and this is so private and personal and devastating, idk why the public needs to see this. just my opinion.

 

[AnyNameIWish]

@iusedtofloat The topic of Derek being possibly on the spectrum is only because the family/ defense seems to be grasping for possibly such an "explanation" for his behaviour. I completely realise being on the spectrum is not a correlation for such behaviour... I feel like we see this thrown out as a defense mechanism more and more these days tho. I wasn't making any correlation between the two.

 

[iusedtofloat]

@iusedtofloat The topic of Derek being possibly on the spectrum is only because the family/ defense seems to be grasping for possibly such an "explanation" for his behaviour. I completely realise being on the spectrum is not a correlation for such behaviour... I feel like we see this thrown out as a defense mechanism more and more these days tho. I wasn't making any correlation between the two.

Oh okay I understand. Yeah his defense and the supporters are being completely tone-deaf regarding the death of DR's mother. They're all acting like DR is the only person who matters here. It's pretty sickening. Weird social phenomena.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I think it's hard for many people to understand that children committing crimes is much different than adults committing crimes, psychologically, even if those crimes have the same devastating impact across the board. Hope that makes sense.
I used to believe in adult charges for kids who commit murder until I listened to an extremely informative podcast about the issue. I'll try to locate it if anyone is interested.

I would be interested in the Podcast.

However I believe "charge as a juvenile or adult?" depends on the case. There are cases in which I think it's clear it should be one or the other.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

idk why the public needs to see this.

Yes, why was that footage released?

They're all acting like DR is the only person who matters

And what about DR's sister? She has to live her entire life without her mother. An entire life very different from what it could have and should have been.

 

[iusedtofloat]

I would be interested in the Podcast.

However I believe "charge as a juvenile or adult?" depends on the case. There are cases in which I think it's clear it should be one or the other.

Turns out I listened to 3! Here is one, and here's the transcript.
Here is the second.

Sorry I confused them as being one podcast somehow... been a min since I listened.
I CANNOT find the third one which was the most impactful on me. I kept thinking it was by This American Life but I'm unsure now. Here's another from TAL that is good: 538: Is This Working? - This American Life

The one I'm thinking of details how it ruins the entire chance of a future, of being able to speak out to prevent this to happening with other teens (because this isn't the first or tragically the last time a kid will murder their mother), etc, and it featured psychologists and I believe a judge as well. Not only these aspects but personally it destroys the child's hopes and dreams and motivations instead of psychologically analyzes the situation and rehabilitates them (whether the crime be murder or something else requiring a long prison term)

 

[mickey2942]

Turns out I listened to 3! Here is one, and here's the transcript.
Here is the second.

Sorry I confused them as being one podcast somehow... been a min since I listened.
I CANNOT find the third one which was the most impactful on me. I kept thinking it was by This American Life but I'm unsure now. Here's another from TAL that is good: 538: Is This Working? - This American Life

The one I'm thinking of details how it ruins the entire chance of a future, of being able to speak out to prevent this to happening with other teens (because this isn't the first or tragically the last time a kid will murder their mother), etc, and it featured psychologists and I believe a judge as well. Not only these aspects but personally it destroys the child's hopes and dreams and motivations instead of psychologically analyzes the situation and rehabilitates them (whether the crime be murder or something else requiring a long prison term)

I am disturbed by the lack of consistency. There is such a range of charges based on "extenuating circumstances". Prosecutorial discretion, adjudication, on and on.

It basically reduces to the law to a literal crapshoot. Throw the dice, does the defendant feel "lucky" today?!

I could present dozens of cases where a juvenile killed a person, and did not get a day in jail. Or was charged as a juvenile, and received a light sentence. And just as many where the child was charged as an adult, and sentenced to prison for life. It seems so random.

 

[Charlot123]

Oh okay I understand. Yeah his defense and the supporters are being completely tone-deaf regarding the death of DR's mother. They're all acting like DR is the only person who matters here. It's pretty sickening. Weird social phenomena.

What if they know something about him or mom that we don’t?

However, what really bothers me is a certain trend.

He kills his mother and sends a thumbs up photo to a friend online

Samantha Rupnow the Wisconsin school shooter takes a photo before the shooting and sends it to friends online

Bryan Kohberger takes a thumb-up selfie on the morning of November 13th.

Is it a new dare we are seeing?

 

[Chimera]

My opinion is that DR should be charged as an adult and I think we're all safer if he is behind bars for a very long time !

 

[iusedtofloat]

What if they know something about him or mom that we don’t?

However, what really bothers me is a certain trend.

He kills his mother and sends a thumbs up photo to a friend online

Samantha Rupnow the Wisconsin school shooter takes a photo before the shooting and sends it to friends online

Bryan Kohberger takes a thumb-up selfie on the morning of November 13th.

Is it a new dare we are seeing?

As one of the younger people on this site as far as I am aware, no, it is not a dare. It is not so smart criminals utilizing social media.

 

[mickey2942]

I keep going back to the fact that Derek did not kill the baby. That seems significant to me. Obviously his rage did not include hatred towards the newborn. I think that demonstrates he is not a complete psychopath monster.

Not victim blaming, but it would be interesting to know more about his relationship with his mother. I feel bad for the kid.