FL - Derek Rosa, 13, charged as adult in stabbing death of mother Irina Garcia in her sleep, 13 Oct 2023

[Seattle1]

Emphasis mine.
I wasn't implying that the guard was withholding information -- if that's what you mean by the bolded ??
Just that I disagree with their policies.

That being said .....
If they are closely monitoring and restricting random access, then the prison staff must think it's fine.
Maybe if DR is chatting with friends -- he may shed more light on the murder ?

The comment I made is my opinion only, but without the foresight of knowing what is allowed in prisons these days, vs. what is not.
True about Covid changing things !
Omo.

@Chimera -- thanks for your clarification of your objection being the policy, and not the direct testimony by the witness. I appreciate your response.

 

[Seattle1]

The comment I made is my opinion only, but without the foresight of knowing what is allowed in prisons these days, vs. what is not.
True about Covid changing things !
Omo.

^^rsbm

My current understanding is that during the period DR was assessed as suicidal, he would not have been allowed the use of a tablet (strangulation risk), or even a pencil, out of precaution for self-harm. Until an inmate is cleared or 'stepped up' from suicide risk, they are escorted to a windowed room to make calls or to meet with counsel where they are observed the entire time. Also, some benefits may be denied such as recreation due to staffing resources. MOO

 

[Dotta]

maricona - Spanish English Dictionary

Tureng
https://tureng.com › spanish-english › maricona


maricona [f] SV CR, man bag. Colloquial. 7, Colloquial, maricona [f] derog. female homosexual. 8, Colloquial, maricona [f] derog. lesbian. 9, Colloquial ...

It might mean his anger/frustration that Mum (allegedly) spent her whole time with female baby.

But such slurs (referring to homosexuality) are common with teen boys.
And have nothing to do with real sexuality of a person who is cursed upon.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

It might mean his anger/frustration that Mum (allegedly) spent her whole time with female baby.

But such slurs (referring to homosexuality) are common with teen boys.
And have nothing to do with real sexuality of a person who is cursed upon.

JMO

I very much agree on the teen boy behavior.

I also think puberty and adolescence, and even culture may have played a role here -- especially if the birth of the baby sister shattered any Madonna Complex held by the teen.

IMO, no better evidence your mother is having sex than the introduction of a sibling! At 13, perhaps the trauma resulted in an episode of psychosis. Actually, I think I'd be more worried about adolescent onset of schizophrenia than autism. MOO

 

[Chimera]

Hope the stepdad is coping somewhat. At least he has the precious tiny baby who needs him more than ever.
Have we heard much about DR's bio dad ?
Did they have a relationship or did they not see each other at all ?
Omo.

 

[Charlot123]

It surprised me that a 13 yr old didn't know his address. Some of the things he asked really highlight his young age/immaturity. I'd like to read someone's analysis of that call.

It is almost like he was in a trance, you know? And now he is slowly realizing the horror of own situation. I wonder if he always speaks like this, because his speech is somewhat robotic. He gives facts in a detached way, he can't express what happened - instead of saying "I was scared to die", he says "I didn't want to kill myself". And then horror in his voice when he asks if the police will kill him.

 

[Charlot123]

I very much agree on the teen boy behavior.

I also think puberty and adolescence, and even culture may have played a role here -- especially if the birth of the baby sister shattered any Madonna Complex held by the teen.

IMO, no better evidence your mother is having sex than the introduction of a sibling! At 13, perhaps the trauma resulted in an episode of psychosis. Actually, I think I'd be more worried about adolescent onset of schizophrenia than autism. MOO

Hard to tell, could be both. The second major wave of pruning is over by 19 years of age. Schizophrenia starts at that time. There is a theory that "overpruning" of neurons during that age could cause schizophrenia. But of course, pruning carries over the whole adolescence, so both autism and early-onset schizophrenia might be somehow linked.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wps.20725#:~:text=Feinberg%2C%20who%20postulated%20aberrant%20peri,disorder%20at%20that%20age6.

 

[Charlot123]

His not knowing his address left me dumbstruck.
6/7 year old kids in the school I work know their addresses perfectly.

I believe jail teachers who suggested learning disability of some kind.

Absolutely there is something not right.
How come it was not noticed before?

As for other strange questions he asked - maybe he was in some kind of trance?

This is a psychiatric case IMO.

My heart breaks for the motherless baby girl
What a tragedy.

JMO

I wonder if his closeness to the mother was the indicator of mother understanding that her son had some disabilities and "compensating" for him, explaining simplest things to him. His odd behavior, asking an adult on the phone, "is it bad?" makes me wonder if mother was telling him how this world worked, and now, having killed Mom, he had to turn to another adult, any adult, a female voice in 911 call, to give him the feedback. I am not sure he was jealous of mom, like someone said, rather, confused because there was less than usual daily input from the mother.
As to not knowing the address, I wonder if they either moved recently, or he was simply so depressed by everything, the move, mom's marriage, a new kid - that he didn't care about the address.
(I had exactly the same reaction to moving from the East Coast to the West one. I didn't mind because all newspapers were putting Seattle as nr 1 place for living, and my dad told me the same. But when I moved, I so vehemently rejected everything here, that I would not bother to remember the address and refused to study the map of the state.) So see, when DR was asked the address, he quickly found the way to find it out. The fact that DR didn't care to find it out earlier may indicate that he intensely disliked the move. JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

Hope the stepdad is coping somewhat. At least he has the precious tiny baby who needs him more than ever.
Have we heard much about DR's bio dad ?
Did they have a relationship or did they not see each other at all ?
Omo.

Chilling footage shows Florida honors student lurking over mom’s bed moments before he allegedly stabbed her to death

The 8th-grade honor roll student had confessed to murdering his mother, telling the dispatcher, “There’s blood all over the floor.”

nypost.com

12/5/23

His father, Jose, was seen waving at his son, even blowing him a kiss, while his grandmother started crying as his lawyers took the not-guilty plea. After the court hearing, his relatives disagreed with Rosa being charged as an adult — insisting that he was a “good boy.”

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By all accounts I've read -- the entire family have referred to DR as a 'good boy,' and were greatly opposed him being tried as an adult.

DR's bio dad (Jose- blue shirt) is seen above in Court waving/blowing DR a kiss. At DR's first appearance, Jose told the Court he was career military and served 20+ years, and DR also dreamed of serving his country. His maternal grandmother also spoke --asking the Court to release him on house arrest. She's seen in the photo at the end of the bench with her hands clutched together.

Miami Spanish news very early inferred Ramos extended Cuban family were on hand to care for the infant. DR also told the 911 operator police did not need to disturb the infant because she had family that would care for her.

 

[Dotta]

I wonder if his closeness to the mother was the indicator of mother understanding that her son had some disabilities and "compensating" for him, explaining simplest things to him. His odd behavior, asking an adult on the phone, "is it bad?" makes me wonder if mother was telling him how this world worked, and now, having killed Mom, he had to turn to another adult, any adult, a female voice in 911 call, to give him the feedback. I am not sure he was jealous of mom, like someone said, rather, confused because there was less than usual daily input from the mother.
As to not knowing the address, I wonder if they either moved recently, or he was simply so depressed by everything, the move, mom's marriage, a new kid - that he didn't care about the address.
(I had exactly the same reaction to moving from the East Coast to the West one. I didn't mind because all newspapers were putting Seattle as nr 1 place for living, and my dad told me the same. But when I moved, I so vehemently rejected everything here, that I would not bother to remember the address and refused to study the map of the state.) So see, when DR was asked the address, he quickly found the way to find it out. The fact that DR didn't care to find it out earlier may indicate that he intensely disliked the move. JMO.

When I look at my 13 year old pupils I simply cannot imagine them asking such questions or not knowing the address.

Sorry, but it is incomprehensible

They are teens -
rebellious, sure, but self-reliant and quite independent.
Being a part of group of peers is the most important thing to them.
Parents fade into the background.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

I don't follow social media where this has probably been discussed but does anybody know (from the victim or the defendant's social which can be linked here) how long the victim and Ramos were together before this tragic ending? I'm interested in how long Ramos had been in DR's life.

From Tiktok, the best I can speculate is Irina was a nail artist/technician. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

When I look at my 13 year old pupils I simply cannot imagine them asking such questions or not knowing the address.

Sorry, but it is incomprehensible

They are teens -
rebellious, sure, but self-reliant and quite independent.
Being in a group of peers is the most important thing to them.

JMO

I dunno -- for all the advantages, technology has also made us incompetent!

I was born in the days when the only hand-held device in use daily was a blow dryer -- no phones, tablets, etc., and where we learned our landline phone number and house address at around pre-school age. Admittedly, today, I don't recall phone numbers of friends that came into my life since cellphones-- unlike even some non-working numbers pre-mobile phones, still etched into my brain.

Similar to DR, I'm thinking of another case in NM where videos were released of the defendant, a 19-year old HS Senior, who also could not answer what IMO, were basic questions about herself such as her SSN#, place of birth, and told investigator she needed to ask her mother!

Ultimately, on his own, DR did recognize that US mail inside the house delivered to the step-dad would have the full, correct address, and DR was able to provide his location with minimal delay. I think I can see where he may have known his location simply as the ABC Apartments, #201, in Hialeah.

In both cases above, I think at age 8, I would have been too embarrassed to respond 'I don't know' to the question of my home address. Instead, I'm now embarrassed when I'm asked a question and have to respond that the answer is here on my handset but I don't know how to look it up without disconnecting our phone call!

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Hard to tell, could be both. The second major wave of pruning is over by 19 years of age. Schizophrenia starts at that time. There is a theory that "overpruning" of neurons during that age could cause schizophrenia. But of course, pruning carries over the whole adolescence, so both autism and early-onset schizophrenia might be somehow linked.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wps.20725#:~:text=Feinberg%2C%20who%20postulated%20aberrant%20peri,disorder%20at%20that%20age6.

I have a friend who got their schizophrenia diagnosis at age twelve. Most people with schizophrenia are not violent.

MOO

 

[Dotta]

I dunno -- for all the advantages, technology has also made us incompetent!

I was born in the days when the only hand-held device in use daily was a blow dryer -- no phones, tablets, etc., and where we learned our landline phone number and house address at around pre-school age. Admittedly, today, I don't recall phone numbers of friends that came into my life since cellphones-- unlike even some non-working numbers pre-mobile phones, still etched into my brain.

Similar to DR, I'm thinking of another case in NM where videos were released of the defendant, a 19-year old HS Senior, who also could not answer what IMO, were basic questions about herself such as her SSN#, place of birth, and told investigator she needed to ask her mother!

Ultimately, on his own, DR did recognize that US mail inside the house delivered to the step-dad would have the full, correct address, and DR was able to provide his location with minimal delay. I think I can see where he may have known his location simply as the ABC Apartments, #201, in Hialeah.

In both cases above, I think at age 8, I would have been too embarrassed to respond 'I don't know' to the question of my home address. Instead, I'm now embarrassed when I'm asked a question and have to respond that the answer is here on my handset but I don't know how to look it up without disconnecting our phone call!

MOO

Well,
I can only say what I see every day at school.
13 year olds are the 7th form, the second oldest in school (we have 8 levels in Primary School from the ages 7 to 15 when they finish).

They are seniors at school and it shows.
They are responsible, independent and self- reliant.

They organize school and class projects and events.
Teachers can depend on them.

Class 8 is busy learning for final exams so they don't get involved much.

Any boy this age with Mummy issues would stand out like a sore thumb and be treated like a weirdo.

And I don't even mention the lack of knowledge of address

Well, that is how it is.

JMO

 

[Charlot123]

I dunno -- for all the advantages, technology has also made us incompetent!

I was born in the days when the only hand-held device in use daily was a blow dryer -- no phones, tablets, etc., and where we learned our landline phone number and house address at around pre-school age. Admittedly, today, I don't recall phone numbers of friends that came into my life since cellphones-- unlike even some non-working numbers pre-mobile phones, still etched into my brain.

Similar to DR, I'm thinking of another case in NM where videos were released of the defendant, a 19-year old HS Senior, who also could not answer what IMO, were basic questions about herself such as her SSN#, place of birth, and told investigator she needed to ask her mother!

Ultimately, on his own, DR did recognize that US mail inside the house delivered to the step-dad would have the full, correct address, and DR was able to provide his location with minimal delay. I think I can see where he may have known his location simply as the ABC Apartments, #201, in Hialeah.

In both cases above, I think at age 8, I would have been too embarrassed to respond 'I don't know' to the question of my home address. Instead, I'm now embarrassed when I'm asked a question and have to respond that the answer is here on my handset but I don't know how to look it up without disconnecting our phone call!

MOO

You don't need to disconnect it. Put it on speakerphone and open another app.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

It's interesting that he was originally reported to be an "honor student," (page 1 of thread, 5th post) and now it's alleged he has a learning disability, etc.

I wonder about his grades, behavior at school, and behavior at home. Surely there were red flags waving, least at home.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

They are responsible, independent and self- reliant.

So your experience is actually that 13-year-olds nowadays are pretty responsible? Which type of school -- public, private? Kids on track for University or the general population of all teens? Maybe most are (?), but we hear about so many struggling teens these days.

 

[neesaki]

Emphasis mine.
I wasn't implying that the guard was withholding information -- if that's what you mean by the bolded ??
Just that I disagree with their policies.

That being said .....
If they are closely monitoring and restricting random access, then the prison staff must think it's fine.
Maybe if DR is chatting with friends -- he may shed more light on the murder ?

The comment I made is my opinion only, but without the foresight of knowing what is allowed in prisons these days, vs. what is not.
True about Covid changing things !
Omo.

I know someone who’s been in jail in my state since Covid, and they are definitely not allowed to have computer access or cell phones. I guess it must vary from state to state.

 

[Dotta]

So your experience is actually that 13-year-olds nowadays are pretty responsible? Which type of school -- public, private? Kids on track for University or the general population of all teens? Maybe most are (?), but we hear about so many struggling teens these days.

State School in a big city.
You can visit us
They will welcome you using good English!

 

[Charlot123]

When I look at my 13 year old pupils I simply cannot imagine them asking such questions or not knowing the address.

Sorry, but it is incomprehensible

They are teens -
rebellious, sure, but self-reliant and quite independent.
Being a part of group of peers is the most important thing to them.
Parents fade into the background.

JMO

Oh, but I was an adult with the family who already had established life in two countries. And yet I remember refusing to visit even the Seattle library because it was incomparable to Boston public library. "Not my coast, not my state", so I didn't care about the address out of spite. Family life intervened, but I think mentally I was planning to escape back. I wonder if DR also dreamed of escaping to his old life. I think it was intense rejection of changes in his life and it took the form and image of mom.

P.S. I wonder if DR's life before mom's husband entered his life was financially better. Biodad's family seems to love him. Children resent so many things, if he used to live in a house but moved to an apartment, for example, he could hate it.