FL - Dr Teresa Sievers, 46, murdered in home, Bonita Springs, June 2015 #4

[No it's not]

Just another thing that puzzles me.

Mark and the girls have returned to their home on Jarvis which is something I could not do if my mother had been brutally beaten with a hammer in the home but each to its own. The security lights remain on 24/7. The jimmied door that was taken into evidence by LEO was replaced appx Aug 8.

What about the clean up on the interior? Did the home have carpet? The neighbors have not reported seeing a painters truck or cleaning service vehicle at the home. If it's true that the doctor was bludgeoned with a hammer, wouldn't there be a CS of blood spatter and matter? Even if the detectives swabbed these areas, their purpose is not to clean the CS.

I haven't studied the blueprint of the home that NIN kindly posted to ascertain the dimensions of the side garage. Would a small SUV fit between the opening? Also, NIN, what about taking a screen shot of the van with the motorcycle leaning on it as seen in the early videos? My apologies for losing the video link as I thought I had it bookmarked. It would only go to show that perhaps the altercation began in the garage area, if, indeed, the motorcycle was knocked over during a struggle.

Investigators are painstakingly combing through the doctors patients' charts. Do they feel a patient targeted the doctor?

Some of us, as I do, believe the perp was already inside the home when the good doctor arrived home. I see now that some think the unsub may have been inside the van with the doctor. Others feel she allowed the unsub into the home. What makes you believe the unsub was inside the van with the victim? What makes you think the victim welcomed the unsub into the home? What makes you feel the unsub was already inside the home? TIA

* Just a reminder that tonight on Tricia's radio podcast, Elaine Redwine will be a guest, briefly, at the beginning of the hour.

Dedee, here are 3 pics.

The first one shows the van inside the garage from the right perspective. Notice the reflection underneath the right blinker:



The second picture was shot from a left perspective, showing the van and the motorcycle. I don't think it was leaning on the van. Distances in photos can be tricky when objects overlap and a telephoto lens is used:



The third picture is just enlarged and enhanced to show a vehicle behind the motorcycle. That is Dr S's car. Also, you can see what looks like a garage key pad attached to the outside wall:



-Nin

 

[DeDee]

Dedee, here are 3 pics.

The first one shows the van inside the garage from the right perspective. Notice the reflection underneath the right blinker:

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The second picture was shot from a left perspective, showing the van and the motorcycle. I don't think it was leaning on the van. Distances in photos can be tricky when objects overlap and a telephoto lens is used:

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The third picture is just enlarged and enhanced to show a vehicle behind the motorcycle. That is Dr S's car. Also, you can see what looks like a garage key pad attached to the outside wall:

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-Nin

Thank you, Nin, Websleuth Extraordinaire. You rock! :loveyou:

I noticed in the 1st set of pics posted the reflection on the van that disappeared when the van was being moved out of the garage. Where is the motorcycle in this first picture?

In the 2nd photo, the motorcycle's front fender is covering a portion of the van's bumper and that's from a left side perspective. The handle grip seems to be touching the van. IMHO, either the motorcycle was moved by LEO or it moved for some other reason. How could she park that van with the motorcycle in that position?

I must be stubborn as I cannot see another vehicle. Is it white in color? What is that orange thick round stick with a black then white tip looking thing where the car would be [It's also in photo 2]? Their garage must be very deep to be able to get the Honda car so close inside the garage.

Hoping that the section of drywall, that may have been removed, held a finger or hand print. Drywall takes a bit of time and expertise to replace. Then, it requires painting. However, I'll leave the clean up issue alone for now.

On the issue of the dogs, was it established that the family had a dog walker who dropped by to walk the dogs? Maybe the dog walker drove a tan Avalanche seen at the CS. Otherwise, the family dogs would need to be kenneled for the time the family was in CT.

I believe the doctor always planned to return home on Sunday from the unexpected trip to CT. Changing reservations is not free. She had patients to see on Monday and knew it before she left.

This is such a very sad case. My heart aches for Dr. Sievers' suffering.

 

[Dushi]

Also, we know that the dogs remained in the home while Dr. Sievers went on a mini-vacation. She rarely goes on vacation. And coincidentally, when

she gets home by herself from this vacation, she`s murdered. The dogs were at home. We know that because a dog sitter had been employed to come and

feed the dogs, take the dogs on a walk.


http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1507/09/ng.01.html

This is all I have

 

[Dushi]

I am notoriously bad at seeing things that others see in photos.
I can not see a reflection or another car
Not saying it isn't there, saying I do not see it

 

[creepingskills]

Correct, it's all conjecture on how she returned home.

-Nin

Isn't it expensive to leave a car parked at the airport? What I'm getting at is...wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to take a cab or have a friend drop off the family that Thursday than it would be to leave the van? I wonder what time the family was expected to arrive back in Florida, and who was planning to pick them up. Obvious answer is Dr. Sievers would be picking up the family, but then why not just leave the van for a few more days and save herself the trip? I'm assuming the van is MS's vehicle anyway, not what she regularly drives. And if the family was expected back between 9-5 (work day) then it probably wasn't Dr. Sievers who was planning to pick them up.

 

[msboo]

Yeah, just HOW she got home from the airport.... I'm sure LE knows all that yet we can only speculate here. ALSO LE knows of any/all phone calls & texts, outgoing & incoming, AND..... we can only ponder.

Yes, airport parking can be a little expensive these days but there are times one might 'bite the bullet' for convenience. We were just in Estero helping our daughters' family move there---we drove their 2nd car down from Ky then flew back. With all going on---upon our return we just wanted to get off the plane, grab our luggage, get in the car & go. Most times we wouldn't do that. SO who knows... now we know the Sievers family had to make an unexpected trip for that funeral then she had to get back for scheduled appointments----they may have chosen airport parking as a simple convenience.

Regardless of the weapon used, I too wonder how anyone can return to their 'violated' home as such---horrible & haunting. BUT one never knows... 2 yrs ago just up the street from our house, a depressed, young mother of an 18 month old child shot herself while her husband & child were at church----HORRIBLE. A professional cleaning crew (specifically for such situations) was there Monday morning, police had completed all their work by Sunday night. The husband returned with his child a few days later---sold the house, moved 3 mos ago so remained there for close to 2 yrs. He's a LE officer, I'm sure aside from time off he still had to carry on with life as usual---daily demands & monthly bills go on regardless. Not that the young mothers' death by suicide is any less tragic than Dr Sievers... BUT there is the difference in the way Dr S died. Targeted or random, a perp entered Sievers family home with hateful intensions OR if indeed random, the results were a hateful violation. While MS & kids have been seen there, does anyone here know for a fact they are living there or not? That's been a little fuzzy for me due to a post stating they've been seen coming & going.

indianwin 2001.... I agree with LE being tight-lipped. Sure, we want to know details BUT the general public doesn't need to know that stuff for good reason. Just like our federal gov shouldn't announce what our military is up to at times!

 

[wondering25]

I remember a live interview with Jaclyn Bevis on NBC2. She was standing outside the Sievers' home, reporting that a saw could be heard coming from inside the home. I, indeed, heard an electric saw in the background of her interview. She was the only reporter there, at that very moment.

They might have been taking out the drywall in the kitchen for evidence, is my guess. I would, also, guess that cleaning crews would be out there, after midnight and gone before anybody wakes up--just to avoid the gawkers.

Home owners insurance will pay for the clean-up in cases like this or, for example if someone is found dead in a home of natural causes and has been there for some time and there are flies and body fluids etc. They do usually come in a marked truck but not always. Serv-pro comes to mind..Also, typically, an extermination company often does NOT have writing on their trucks..people dont want the neighbors to know they have any kind of infestation. JMO

 

[Luvrosco]

FYI NG just said she will be covering updated news on the case. I'm on the east coast and her show started @ 8PM. Right now she's talking Josh Duggar.

 

[mckazpm]

Yeah, just HOW she got home from the airport.... I'm sure LE knows all that yet we can only speculate here. ALSO LE knows of any/all phone calls & texts, outgoing & incoming, AND..... we can only ponder.

Yes, airport parking can be a little expensive these days but there are times one might 'bite the bullet' for convenience. We were just in Estero helping our daughters' family move there---we drove their 2nd car down from Ky then flew back. With all going on---upon our return we just wanted to get off the plane, grab our luggage, get in the car & go. Most times we wouldn't do that. SO who knows... now we know the Sievers family had to make an unexpected trip for that funeral then she had to get back for scheduled appointments----they may have chosen airport parking as a simple convenience.

Regardless of the weapon used, I too wonder how anyone can return to their 'violated' home as such---horrible & haunting. BUT one never knows... 2 yrs ago just up the street from our house, a depressed, young mother of an 18 month old child shot herself while her husband & child were at church----HORRIBLE. A professional cleaning crew (specifically for such situations) was there Monday morning, police had completed all their work by Sunday night. The husband returned with his child a few days later---sold the house, moved 3 mos ago so remained there for close to 2 yrs. He's a LE officer, I'm sure aside from time off he still had to carry on with life as usual---daily demands & monthly bills go on regardless. Not that the young mothers' death by suicide is any less tragic than Dr Sievers... BUT there is the difference in the way Dr S died. Targeted or random, a perp entered Sievers family home with hateful intensions OR if indeed random, the results were a hateful violation. While MS & kids have been seen there, does anyone here know for a fact they are living there or not? That's been a little fuzzy for me due to a post stating they've been seen coming & going.

indianwin 2001.... I agree with LE being tight-lipped. Sure, we want to know details BUT the general public doesn't need to know that stuff for good reason. Just like our federal gov shouldn't announce what our military is up to at times!

I think most in the immediate area were surprised to see family back in the home so quickly and that does appear to be the case. I believe the quick in and out is due to being harassed by MSM for interviews, as well as neighbors not knowing what to think and how to react to MS. TS drove a white Mercedes Wagon that is now being driven by MS. MS always drove the van...not TS. Doesn't mean she could not have driven the van, it was just always noticed that MS was primary driver of van. Also, a cleaning crew did come in Friday night after the murder.

 

[concernedmother]

NG- The blue van belonged to MS and has not been returned. His DNA would be in it. What the heck is the deal with the van? It must hold some evidentiary value. jmo

 

[Plumeria5]

I think most in the immediate area were surprised to see family back in the home so quickly and that does appear to be the case. I believe the quick in and out is due to being harassed by MSM for interviews, as well as neighbors not knowing what to think and how to react to MS. TS drove a white Mercedes Wagon that is now being driven by MS. MS always drove the van...not TS. Doesn't mean she could not have driven the van, it was just always noticed that MS was primary driver of van. Also, a cleaning crew did come in Friday night after the murder.

This is just me but I don't think I could move back into that house especially since the killer is still out there. Maybe if it were just adults living there but not with children involved.

 

[carole]

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[lakshmi]

Isn't it expensive to leave a car parked at the airport? What I'm getting at is...wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to take a cab or have a friend drop off the family that Thursday than it would be to leave the van? I wonder what time the family was expected to arrive back in Florida, and who was planning to pick them up. Obvious answer is Dr. Sievers would be picking up the family, but then why not just leave the van for a few more days and save herself the trip? I'm assuming the van is MS's vehicle anyway, not what she regularly drives. And if the family was expected back between 9-5 (work day) then it probably wasn't Dr. Sievers who was planning to pick them up.

http://www.flylcpa.com/taxirates/

Dr. Sievers lived in the $40 zone.

We fly in and out of SWFL airport a couple times a month and we use the Executive Valet parking off site. It is so convenient and since we use it a lot they give us a very reasonable rate.

 

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[creepingskills]

If the murderer was inside the home when TS arrived home, why wait until the next morning to kill her?
And, yes, I am basing that only on the reports of a shrill and arguing as no time of death has been released.

If someone had entered the house and was waiting for her, perhaps her death happened much earlier.
It would be interesting to know if any phone calls or texts were sent or answered between her arrival and the next morning (other than the one to her husband)
Was the alarm ever set that night?
Were the dogs fed? Based on food bowls and water bowls?
Was her bag unpacked?
What was she wearing?

With the assistance of the alarm company, LE probably figured out whether the home was properly armed when the family left for the trip, and continued to be armed until Sunday. IMO, this could be significant in determining whether the unsub entered before or after Dr. Sievers arrived home. This could be complicated if in fact the dogs were being walked and fed daily, with that person coming and going - presumably with access to the security system. I wonder if the dogs were staying with a neighbor-dog sitter and picked up by Dr. Sievers when she returned back home?

 

[msboo]

mckazpm... thanks for clarifying as to if they had moved back in their house. That's hard but what's one to do??? You have to live somewhere & it gets $$$ staying in a nice but not expensive hotel, plus that's old after a few days, always out for meals, they have pets to get back to, life goes on---not like you can sell your house in a few days either & move your life that quick. GEEZ School starts this Monday for some as well although they home school. And there's MSM, would want to avoid them at all costs, just need to be left alone to find their way now.

The family might have taken the van to the airport---4 people with luggage, last minute trip due to family loss, who knows. Of course with the van in LE possession, MS has to drive what's left. Hope this is solved for everyone's sake---neighbors included.

 

[No it's not]

Isn't it expensive to leave a car parked at the airport? What I'm getting at is...wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to take a cab or have a friend drop off the family that Thursday than it would be to leave the van? I wonder what time the family was expected to arrive back in Florida, and who was planning to pick them up. Obvious answer is Dr. Sievers would be picking up the family, but then why not just leave the van for a few more days and save herself the trip? I'm assuming the van is MS's vehicle anyway, not what she regularly drives. And if the family was expected back between 9-5 (work day) then it probably wasn't Dr. Sievers who was planning to pick them up.

Here is a link regarding the parking fees at the airport. Not expensive, $11(shuttle)-$16(under roof) per day:

http://www.flylcpa.com/parking/

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

I'm no chemist, but the Flexcin ingredients, intended to relieve joint pain, look pretty much like what you would expect:

http://stoppingjointpain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/flexcin-joint-maintenance-ingredients.jpg

The only unusual component is CM8, and that seems pretty well documented as having been isolated originally from mice after it was discovered arthritis could not be induced in mice:

http://cetyl-myristoleate.com/cm8-info/

I have no experience with either Flexcin or other supplements for joint pain such as glucosamine. I do know that my MD daughter-in-law, not usually friendly to supplements, swears by glucosamine-chondroitin supplements for her horses.

Some here have talked about Dr. Sievers being a "pain" doctor, implying narcotics. But clearly there's a huge difference between treating pain with supplements like glucosamine, which are intended to lubricate and heal joints, and giving someone opiates. From what I've seen online, Sievers seems unlikely to have been running a pill mill. There are plenty of conventional docs pushing pills, some making the news when they go to jail (this is up north, where I am now, not SWFL), others quietly failing to get credentialed at our local hospital.

This is a video with Dr Sievers recommending Flexcin. You can also see the full line of products she was offering in her office:

[video=youtube;TiGSOSxJjxk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiGSOSxJjxk[/video]

-Nin

 

[mckazpm]

mckazpm... thanks for clarifying as to if they had moved back in their house. That's hard but what's one to do??? You have to live somewhere & it gets $$$ staying in a nice but not expensive hotel, plus that's old after a few days, always out for meals, they have pets to get back to, life goes on---not like you can sell your house in a few days either & move your life that quick. GEEZ School starts this Monday for some as well although they home school. And there's MSM, would want to avoid them at all costs, just need to be left alone to find their way now.

The family might have taken the van to the airport---4 people with luggage, last minute trip due to family loss, who knows. Of course with the van in LE possession, MS has to drive what's left. Hope this is solved for everyone's sake---neighbors included.

Agree. Hard, but we don't know what the girls know exactly either. Being at home to grieve and have their things, their bedroom, dad and pets would be a comforting atmosphere for them I would think. Maybe much harder for all of us to imagine because we know and contemplate what must have taken place in that home. Maybe with NG putting updates back on, this will kind of jump start a little more information. We'll see.

 

[creepingskills]

Agree. Hard, but we don't know what the girls know exactly either. Being at home to grieve and have their things, their bedroom, dad and pets would be a comforting atmosphere for them I would think. Maybe much harder for all of us to imagine because we know and contemplate what must have taken place in that home. Maybe with NG putting updates back on, this will kind of jump start a little more information. We'll see.

Agreed. The girls may not know the details, location or manner of death.