FL - Dr Teresa Sievers, 46, murdered in home, Bonita Springs, June 2015 *ARRESTS* #9

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Based on what a few unverified observers have revealed about MS, I wonder if his love of money and lack of moral compass involved him in something big over which he had no control. I'm inclined to think that CWW introduced him to whatever it was as a chance to make a lot of money fast. I think it may be drugs. MS and CWW may have been Chihuahuas trying to run with the big dogs.

If MS got scared and wanted out, and/or if TS found out, she may have been silenced to protect the venture and to silence MS. That would explain why CWW and JR did the job (perhaps on orders from above) and made it look so personal (like an affair gone bad). If this is what happened, I think once TS was murdered, MS would do what he was told in order to protect his girls, and the lead dog could keep him in line. CWW or JR may even have left evidence that could implicate him.

MS just doesn't strike me as the master-mind type. He's lazy. He'd rather make money riding on someone's coat tails, whether that of his wife or a criminal network. And maybe the money wasn't coming fast enough through the work TS was doing. But I can definitely see him getting in way over his head in a quick-buck criminal enterprise. I'm curious if those who know him agree.

RSBM

In that scenario, why kill TS to silence MS? Why not just kill MS? If MS was a danger to some operation, killing TS wouldn't necessarily change that. It could have frightened MS so much that he would run blabbing to LE, begging for protective custody.

Moo

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Out of 7 deadly sins .. I choose pride.

Lust. With a dash of greed.

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[Mountaingazer]

I'll do you one more ..and take your bait. I don't know much about hormones that are used for that, I guess they're considered drugs that might be on the black market? Someone else will need to fill me in on that one.

That being said, I've always wanted to ask about that video in the very beginning where there were two police officers putting a small igloo hard cooler in the trunk and purposely showing it to the media imho . Then later to find out that one of the things in Missouri that was taken was a cooler.

Why was there a cooler taken from the crime scene as that is not a usual thing to take from a crime scene?

I'm on my phone right now or else I would go to the media thread and try to find the video I am talking about that has the police showing the cooler in the back of the trunk.

I would assume that hormones are the types of drugs that need refrigeration?

So how is that for going out on a limb and pulling in another theory?

I mentioned this last thread and since then I have had the chance to talk to a Transgender friend of mine. She said there is a huuuuge black market for these hormones. Not only within the Transgender community, testosterone is very desired by all sorts of people and can bring in big money. Especially when the dealer came claim a doctor source vs the hormones coming from Mexico.

 

[Luvrosco]

"Whereas almost all cases of homicides committed by males against their female partners occurred after the female ended the relationship or announced her intention to do so..."

This is my thought exactly regarding what could have motivated MS if he was

involved in plotting TS' death.

These are my thoughts,too.

 

[kittychi]

I totally agree. I want to give MS the benefit of the doubt but i can't come up with a motive that would cause JR and CWW to conspire to kill Dr. TS without MS knowledge or MS having knowledge of any illegal scheme CWW was involved in.

Now if her death was not premeditated and she was killed because she caught JR and/or CWW in the house trying to steal something or whatever, then I can see that being a scenario where MS could be totally innocent of any involvement. JMO

BBM: This makes me wonder if the purchase of the hammer was to break into the safe, but she caught them, so she was killed with the hammer. Perhaps JD "the hammer" was brought in because of his skill to open a safe with a hammer.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Good morning! All caught up and some thoughts your posts have inspired.

This is a very complex case. LE obviously feels, as well as the judge who signed the arrest warrants, that there is probable cause to arrest CWW and JR. This makes anyone else involved sweat bullets about the other shoe that is about to drop.

I believe that the vast amount of evidence is causing the delay. DNA is a lot faster than it was in the beginning. It used to take a year to get results back. Now, in a situation like this, it can take only days.

However, computer information is another animal altogether. Think Casey Anthony, think Jodi Arias. Multiply the number of computers and amount of data that has to be retrieved and analyzed. That takes months and months. If LE is trying to unravel this complex case, they have to have all the evidence together from the computers.

AFAIK, computers have been seized from JR, CWW, MS, and the medical practice. If there are more people involved, I'd like to know that there are sealed warrants for the private computers of others for which LE has found probable cause.

 

[Eileen730]

BBM: This makes me wonder if the purchase of the hammer was to break into the safe, but she caught them, so she was killed with the hammer. Perhaps JD "the hammer" was brought in because of his skill to open a safe with a hammer.

But why do this the night she returned home?
They could have done this the day before?

They wanted TS.
Either to kill her or to find out something.
Cww IMO sent JR in first then when JR couldn't get the info out of her CWW joined and that's when they had to kill her. CWW couldn't let her go. She was sure to tell. I think he was doing something criminal thru TS not MS,
All JMO

 

[Dion]

Do you think he drove or took a plane?

I'm pretty sure they drove, for a number of reasons.
- JR wouldn't need to take 3 days off work if they flew there
- there would be a record of the airline ticket, which would work against them
- if they rented a car, there would also be a record, which would work against them
- if no car, not likely to take a cab to and from a murder scene
- LE removed bloody clothes and a cooler - not likely to take that on a plane

 

[kittychi]

Based on what a few unverified observers have revealed about MS, I wonder if his love of money and lack of moral compass involved him in something big over which he had no control. I'm inclined to think that CWW introduced him to whatever it was as a chance to make a lot of money fast. I think it may be drugs. MS and CWW may have been Chihuahuas trying to run with the big dogs.

If MS got scared and wanted out, and/or if TS found out, she may have been silenced to protect the venture and to silence MS. That would explain why CWW and JR did the job (perhaps on orders from above) and made it look so personal (like an affair gone bad). If this is what happened, I think once TS was murdered, MS would do what he was told in order to protect his girls, and the lead dog could keep him in line. CWW or JR may even have left evidence that could implicate him.

MS just doesn't strike me as the master-mind type. He's lazy. He'd rather make money riding on someone's coat tails, whether that of his wife or a criminal network. And maybe the money wasn't coming fast enough through the work TS was doing. But I can definitely see him getting in way over his head in a quick-buck criminal enterprise. I'm curious if those who know him agree.

RSBM

In that scenario, why kill TS to silence MS? Why not just kill MS? If MS was a danger to some operation, killing TS wouldn't necessarily change that. It could have frightened MS so much that he would run blabbing to LE, begging for protective custody.

Moo

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BBM: IMHO because they needed MS to continue his role in whatever nefarious operation they had going.

The sheriff's word "complex" leads me to believe there may be some secret bank accounts yet to be investigated.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I have heard of people hiring a **** to break into their home or burn it down. Staging it in order to collect insurance money. Maybe Dr. T, unknowingly, walked in on the master plan.

...only the timing makes no sense.

 

[Eileen730]

BBM: IMHO because they needed MS to continue his role in whatever nefarious operation they had going.

The sheriff's word "complex" leads me to believe there may be some secret bank accounts yet to be investigated.

I dont think MS had a role.
IMO CWW was juggling the books and was getting caught.
TS was the corp. I really think she kept the books not MS.

I do think The sheriff is Looking at MS but cant find anything on him.
He would have been arrested by now I would think.

I think MS is in shock his friend would kill TS.
JR is probably in total disbelief.
CWW cant believe he got caught!

 

[wondering25]

<respectfully bolded by me>

Well thought out post. Thank you.

Re. the portion I bolded - I've wondered the same but considering they came back later to get samples of the dog's DNA, this has been my line of thinking:

Right after TS's body was discovered and LE processed the crime scene, they collected DNA samples from all over the house, and probably including her body too. They sent those samples to the lab for processing. IIRC, it was several weeks later when LE came back to retrieve the dog DNA specimens. I was thinking that maybe the lab contacted LE to tell them that while processing the first samples they discovered a mixture that contained non-human DNA. If that were the case, they would probably need the dog's DNA in order for the lab to isolate the "mixed" sample. Does that make any sense? I'm no scientist for sure but I've followed enough cases on here to know that might be a possibility.

In fact, we have a pathologist who is a member. She posted extensively in Caylee Anthony's case. Tomorrow I will contact her and she is she can shed some light on what that may mean. It's been bugging me for a while.

Thank you for responding on the DNA of the dogs. Maybe there was some doggie dna mixed in with the blood.. maybe they want to be sure that the perps didnt also bring a dog with them and wanted to be sure the dog DNA came from the Siever's dogs and not another one? That would make sense.

The poster who wrote about the coolers. made me think also. A cooler would need to have ice replaced periodically.. ( like putting beer and soda on ice) so putting steroids or a drug in them to be kept in the home seems unlikely to me. Are they a particular kind of cooler.. with a name stamped on them? The name of a drug company? Could the cooler taken from the Sievers' home belong to LE and was used to take samples taken from the crime scene somewhere for analysis?

Maybe nothing in the business with drugs or fraud etc had happened YET. Maybe that was the plan going forward? Eliminate TS and start our scheme? Maybe i am naive... I am waiting for the WOW in all of this. The sheriff alluded to books and movies made about this crime. Maybe there was a 3 way affair going on with TS and MS having the same lover. (my theory at the moment). I just don't know how CWW profits from this unless there is some money making scheme in the future. I guess i don't understand how someone can kill for 10k or any K lol.
All of this is just speculation, obviously and Just My opinion.

 

[atthelake]

Good morning! All caught up and some thoughts your posts have inspired.

This is a very complex case. LE obviously feels, as well as the judge who signed the arrest warrants, that there is probable cause to arrest CWW and JR. This makes anyone else involved sweat bullets about the other shoe that is about to drop.

I believe that the vast amount of evidence is causing the delay. DNA is a lot faster than it was in the beginning. It used to take a year to get results back. Now, in a situation like this, it can take only days.

However, computer information is another animal altogether. Think Casey Anthony, think Jodi Arias. Multiply the number of computers and amount of data that has to be retrieved and analyzed. That takes months and months. If LE is trying to unravel this complex case, they have to have all the evidence together from the computers.

AFAIK, computers have been seized from JR, CWW, MS, and the medical practice. If there are more people involved, I'd like to know that there are sealed warrants for the private computers of others for which LE has found probable cause.

:seeya: CarolinaMoon ! I do remember when, through the Freedom of Information Act, AZL & ? obtained the computer hard disk from Casey Anthony and found things that le missed ! those some crazy times.

I can't imagine the overwhelming amount of evidence with all these people having different trials.... And moderators having to coordinate the forum threads for all the different people and topics and evidence..egads !

Can't wait to have a local get all the information for us during discovery dumps.

BTW by the end of this weekend we're supposed to have a forum for this case !

 

[Eileen730]

What do they do if they don't know which one killed her?

 

[cebee]

Does anyone know if it was the norm for TS to come back earlier than MS and the kids from vacation. IIRC this was a planned trip but the step brother passed away while they were in CT? It does not sound like MS is close to his in-laws, so I find it odd that he would want to stay longer than necessary ( even to let the kids play with cousins a bit longer) With the business they are in they would have 100% control over their schedules. She could easily have extended a vacation by not scheduling patients. Did they USUALLY do it this way? And if not- did TS find it odd? Did she wonder why MS would want her to leave earlier? If MY husband wanted to stay with my family and have ME come home - I would definitely wonder whats up!

 

[atthelake]

Thank you for responding on the DNA of the dogs. Maybe there was some doggie dna mixed in with the blood.. maybe they want to be sure that the perps didnt also bring a dog with them and wanted to be sure the dog DNA came from the Siever's dogs and not another one? That would make sense.

The poster who wrote about the coolers. made me think also. A cooler would need to have ice replaced periodically.. ( like putting beer and soda on ice) so putting steroids or a drug in them to be kept in the home seems unlikely to me. Are they a particular kind of cooler.. with a name stamped on them? The name of a drug company? Could the cooler taken from the Sievers' home belong to LE and was used to take samples taken from the crime scene somewhere for analysis?

Maybe nothing in the business with drugs or fraud etc had happened YET. Maybe that was the plan going forward? Eliminate TS and start our scheme? Maybe i am naive... I am waiting for the WOW in all of this. The sheriff alluded to books and movies made about this crime. Maybe there was a 3 way affair going on with TS and MS having the same lover. (my theory at the moment). I just don't know how CWW profits from this unless there is some money making scheme in the future. I guess i don't understand how someone can kill for 10k or any K lol.
All of this is just speculation, obviously and Just My opinion.

The cooler would only be for transportation of the drugs but would be kept in the refrigerator otherwise. For transportation and shipments , they have gel packs that look like mine shown below vs ice (they feel like silicone breast implants at room temperature but hard as a rock when frozen )





When medical folks transport drugs they merely use normal everyday good small coolers..perhaps like those hard-sided igloo coolers where the handle falls over when you open it. That was what I saw in the back of the police car trunk.

Matter of fact, I dated a guy who was on a kidney transplant team and he would fly kidneys in an igloo cooler and take it on the plane with him. I'm sure these days post 911 they have to have lots of credentials to get those on the planes these days.

 

[MinnesotaMary]

Cabee: Of course your questions are good. I've read A Lot, and I have seen utterly nothing that would put any sort of light on that. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I would imagine that if Teresa's family out there in CT has their lips zipped, it is because law enforcement has asked them to do so. In other words, SURELY THE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS would be very important pieces of evidence re. Mark Siever's innocence, or guilt.

 

[NSS]

I have just realised that when it comes to identifying the 'who' of a murder I always look at the closest person first and end with complete strangers after eliminating them (through facts, opinion, logic and MSM/LE) from the inside out.


BUT when it comes to motive (in this case) I have set a different standards. You would imagine that the closest people would have most reasons to kill, they have a chance to resent, dislike, cheat, lose, love, hate etc and yet the further out I venture, the less I even look for any motivation.

JR - he got (maybe) 10k - there's his motive.
CWW - may have got a jail term for fraud, did a favour for a friend, maybe had an affair - there's his motive.
MS - lived in his wifes shadow, maybe had secrets, possibly greedy, could have had resentment/hate/anger building for many years ad infinitum - any chance there's a motive in there?

 

[MinnesotaMary]

AtTheLake: About WSleuths creating a forum for this case, I cannot get over what a heck of a mess of a case this is !! On a 'wierd crime' scale, it kinda reminds me of Diaper-Astronaut.

 

[CoolJ]

Regarding the Mercedes.... It was TS's car. I believe the van hasn't been returned so the Mercedes is the only car MS has to drive. He normally drove the van..... But that doesn't fit in with narrative that he is a money hungry weirdo... So now we have posters pretending it is a brand new Mercedes he bought for himself after his wife's murder.
I really hope you all are right in your suspicions.....