FL - Dr Teresa Sievers, 46, murdered in home, Bonita Springs, June 2015 *ARRESTS* #9

[cluciano63]

Does it matter who actually killed Teresa, if all eventually arrested were involved in the planning, executing, etc to some degree? Other than to possibly make deals, I believe they would all be equally culpable. Is this not true?

 

[wondering25]

Yes, that makes sense. Also, if they are greedy enough to murder for money, they might want to maximize the gain and just couldn't stand to miss the opportunity. Especially if they have to share with each other.

JR promised his girlfriend a new van. He told her (per her ) that he was going out of town on a construction job and was going to earn 10k. They bought a new van.. where did the 10k come from? Maybe the Sievers' kept a lot of money in their safes. MS wouldnt have to go to the bank and withdraw a chunk of money..so no trail. MS could just take the 10k or whatever else he needed to pay for the "job" from the home safe. SOMEONE PAID SOMEONE 10K (at least).

Do we know for sure that TS was brutally murdered? I mean she could have been shot and killed and then bludgeoned for staging?

Other than staging, who would want her so horribly disfigured, if she was? And why? It has been reported that MS told the cops to check under her fingernails because she would have fought. Does he know she didn't fight? It was a swift gunshot that killed her and she never knew what happened? If she was then beaten with a hammer there had to be blood everywhere..floor, walls, on the jumpsuit.. spatter from a gunshot if that was used first (my speculation).

Connectivity.. did the cars have GPS? A cell phone that pinged off towers? Does a car record everywhere you have been even if you don't have the GPS engaged for directions? It appears that MS is not in protective custody unless he has LE "guarding" him from a short distance in unmarked cars? OR LE is following him all the time in unmarked cars and he is under constant surveillance.

Don't you think it is strange that the sheriff said he is in contact with the children and spoke with them a long time the other day? The sheriff isnt a social worker or psychologist.. AL said the "children are safe". What does that mean? With MS, not with MS? Not in danger at the moment.. alive? If MS is a suspect would the children be with him? Remember the Powell case? Does MS just have supervised visits thus the sheriff being with the children for a long time the other day?

JMO and pre-coffee musings...

 

[CoolJ]

Does anyone know if it was the norm for TS to come back earlier than MS and the kids from vacation. IIRC this was a planned trip but the step brother passed away while they were in CT? It does not sound like MS is close to his in-laws, so I find it odd that he would want to stay longer than necessary ( even to let the kids play with cousins a bit longer) With the business they are in they would have 100% control over their schedules. She could easily have extended a vacation by not scheduling patients. Did they USUALLY do it this way? And if not- did TS find it odd? Did she wonder why MS would want her to leave earlier? If MY husband wanted to stay with my family and have ME come home - I would definitely wonder whats up!

Do we know MS wanted her to leave earlier?

 

[atthelake]

What do they do if they don't know which one killed her?

Shades of George and FCA ullhair:

 

[Dushi]

In regards to TS leaving earlier, it was always the plan.
A family member, Duntulum, posted about it in an earlier thread.
The plan was for her to return Sunday and MS and children to stay behind so the children could spend time with extended family

 

[cebee]

Do we know MS wanted her to leave earlier?

I guess that is my question. Did she USUALLY come home from a trip early, and the rest of the family stay longer? MAY have been the norm for them. If not, which ones idea was it?
When did they book their airfare and housing? IF MS is involved ( im on the fence) either everything would have to have been 'in place' when the airfare was booked... or else his and the kids would have had to have theirs changed to extend the stay.
Just trying to figure out a time line...

 

[wondering25]

Do we know MS wanted her to leave earlier?

I cant imagine why anyone would want to stay any longer in Ansonia than they HAD to. Have you ever been to Ansonia? JMO

 

[Dushi]

Duntulum's post (copy)

Thread #7, Page 15, post 211

My very old computer shuts me out if i try to copy

 

[atthelake]

Duntulum's post (copy)

Thread #7, Page 15, post 211

My very old computer shuts me out if i try to copy

Here you go ..cut /paste

Bringing this forward
(I hope thats OK)

Duntulum's post



It's been awhile since I have checked in, but I'd like to clarify some things. PLEASE REMEMBER I AM UNVERIFIED FAMILY, and at some point when I have far more time for this I will go through that process -- if I can find that link somewhere. So feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt. I haven't had the time to go through all that has been written since I last checked in, but I am sure there has been some wonderful sleuthing going on here. WE are looking for answers as well, but are glad to have spoken to the girls and they are safe.

* We use Westchester County Airport to fly back and forth from FL to CT. It's a smaller airport and more direct. Teresa's plane landed around 11.

* The family vacation was planned WELL in advance -- schedules to coordinate, a house to rent in the country, airplane tickets to book. The death of the step-brother was unexpected and therefore, not part of the original plans.

* Teresa drove herself home in the blue van.

* The TOD has been given to the family. The "shrills" and "arguing" around 5/6ish were not Teresa.

* I DID manage to read Skinner's posts. I would agree with much of what he has to say, sans the alarm. It is true that the family knows what happened with the alarm. Perhaps Mark has passed that info onto Skinner. Unlike Skinner, I believe that that info might not be used for a defense, but may be used by a prosecutor. Suffice it to say, and I will not elaborate, that the alarm was off on Sunday. Neither of the men arrested had to shut it down.

* I think Annie is doing an excellent job under combat conditions as the family spokesperson. (There were some comments here --) She lost her sister AND best friend. It has been extremely hard.

* Yes, we were made privy to the arrests in advance. Despite what appears to be radio silence from the sheriff to the public, we have been kept in the loop.

Perhaps this will help someone solve something. The family is pretty divided about a third suspect. We are all hoping that the girls don't have to go through anything else --

Waiting, in Connecticut, for word of the next arrest --


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...e-Bonita-Springs-June-2015-*ARRESTS*-6/page53

 

[wondering25]

But why do this the night she returned home?
They could have done this the day before?

They wanted TS.
Either to kill her or to find out something.
Cww IMO sent JR in first then when JR couldn't get the info out of her CWW joined and that's when they had to kill her. CWW couldn't let her go. She was sure to tell. I think he was doing something criminal thru TS not MS,
All JMO

BBM The day before she was still in Connecticut.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

BBM: IMHO because they needed MS to continue his role in whatever nefarious operation they had going.

The sheriff's word "complex" leads me to believe there may be some secret bank accounts yet to be investigated.

Lol, somehow, I just can't see MS having a skill or talent so unique that he would be indispensable. [emoji28]

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[Dion]

Does anyone know if it was the norm for TS to come back earlier than MS and the kids from vacation. IIRC this was a planned trip but the step brother passed away while they were in CT? It does not sound like MS is close to his in-laws, so I find it odd that he would want to stay longer than necessary ( even to let the kids play with cousins a bit longer) With the business they are in they would have 100% control over their schedules. She could easily have extended a vacation by not scheduling patients. Did they USUALLY do it this way? And if not- did TS find it odd? Did she wonder why MS would want her to leave earlier? If MY husband wanted to stay with my family and have ME come home - I would wonder whats up!

It was reported in the beginning that they rarely took vacations because of TS work, so there probably was no norm, for her coming home early.

Apparently, the vacation was planned well in advance and they rented a house. It could be that the house could only be rented for a minimum of ?? days (or that's what she was told) so as TS had to be back early to attend to her patients, the rest of her family would come back later.

If she had a busy practice, it may be that patients have to schedule well in advance, so she didn't want to disrupt things just for a day or two longer vacation.

 

[NSS]

I believe TS was the target because of reasons posted by other posters (robbery would have been easier before she returned).
This add to my thought that MS was involved in the planning because although the vacation was pre planned, along with the good Drs return, the killer(s) would have had to know that the unexpected death didn't lead to her staying in CT for the extra few days.

Even the most dedicated amongst us could be forgiven a cancelled appointment for the death of a family member.
IMO MS had to contact the accused to let them know that firstly - oh shoot a family bereavement, we may have to hold off and then - okay back on track, plan is moving ahead.

Did TS stay in CT for the funeral?

 

[wendybtn]

Just like having a Gucci pocketbook or wearing a 4 carat diamond.. I have to tell you that prosperous men like to buy their wives furs, diamonds etc.. it makes them feel successful. They also enjoy driving expensive cars. So, do women. I don't have a problem with people enjoying their wealth As my dad used to say "those suits they bury you in don't have any pockets". My question is.. is the Mercedes van a purchase made after TS died?

He was in a prosperous family, but he is not a prosperous man. If he was working as an LPN to support his children, his lifestyle would be completely different.

 

[wondering25]

i am going to play devils advocate here. Indulge me.

MS was madly in love with TS. they built a life and a practice together. In a divorce, at least the way things are done today, most things are negotiated. One party would have to buy the other party out of the home and also out of the business. He helped build the business and it could be argued , successfully, imo, that her success was due in part with his management of the company books and office personnel and that he contributed to other lucrative deals. Since she was the higher wage earner, she would have to pay HIM either alimony or at least child support for the time the children would spend with him. ( Split custody is very in right now with kids being like gypsies traveling from one home to the other to spend several days a week with each parent)

MS has given up his life and career and personal ambitions to be MR MOM. Life going forward, after a divorce has to be addressed by the court. MS is not going to walk away a pauper, imo. It all boils down to who wanted OUT, imo. If he wanted out, he might just take what the court awards or what he and the lawyers can negotiate. If SHE wanted out, he is mean, jealous, disturbed, insecure and vengeful. IMO, TS wanted out. JMO. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, ya know? MOO

 

[atthelake]

There was discussion about the igloo cooler that LE took last night, and I said I would post later as was on my phone. Finally back to computer and found the video on the media thread that I was recalling and did a screen shot. (Had to go through a few, and was very interesting indeed to go through and read in chronological order while searching for this) Again, just a strange thing to take into evidence at the crime scene, and then later iirc (cannot find that link now ullhair they took into evidence a cooler in Missouri with blood on it per neighbor.



http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/07/03/doctor-teresa-sievers-murder-hammer video at link

ETA: Need to backtrack as this video does not showing them putting the cooler into the car. The detectives are about to close the trunk and then open it again is what I saw in ANOTHER video that is longer as I recall. So, perhaps that igloo cooler just happened to be in the car, but in the other video, it appeared that the detectives saw them being filmed, started to close it then let it go up again so media got a good shot of it. Perhaps nothing, but just made me think.

 

[LvsAMystry]

There was discussion about the igloo cooler that LE took last night, and I said I would post later as was on my phone. Finally back to computer and found the video on the media thread that I was recalling and did a screen shot. (Had to go through a few, and was very interesting indeed to go through and read in chronological order while searching for this) Again, just a strange thing to take into evidence at the crime scene, and then later iirc (cannot find that link now ullhair they took into evidence a cooler in Missouri with blood on it per neighbor.

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http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/07/03/doctor-teresa-sievers-murder-hammer video at link

ETA: Need to backtrack as this video does not showing them putting the cooler into the car. The detectives are about to close the trunk and then open it again is what I saw in ANOTHER video that is longer as I recall. So, perhaps that igloo cooler just happened to be in the car, but in the other video, it appeared that the detectives saw them being filmed, started to close it then let it go up again so media got a good shot of it. Perhaps nothing, but just made me think.

Hmmm.. Interesting as to what it is. I see it that maybe the cooler itself isn't the evidence but maybe something inside the cooler. The only reason I think that is if the cooler itself were evidence I think it'd be better protected in a bag or something to avoid contamination

 

[atthelake]

I believe TS was the target because of reasons posted by other posters (robbery would have been easier before she returned).
This add to my thought that MS was involved in the planning because although the vacation was pre planned, along with the good Drs return, the killer(s) would have had to know that the unexpected death didn't lead to her staying in CT for the extra few days.

Even the most dedicated amongst us could be forgiven a cancelled appointment for the death of a family member.
IMO MS had to contact the accused to let them know that firstly - oh shoot a family bereavement, we may have to hold off and then - okay back on track, plan is moving ahead.

Did TS stay in CT for the funeral?

Yes..

 

[atthelake]

Hmmm.. Interesting as to what it is. I see it that maybe the cooler itself isn't the evidence but maybe something inside the cooler. The only reason I think that is if the cooler itself were evidence I think it'd be better protected in a bag or something to avoid contamination

Good point! The evidence bag perhaps is IN the cooler! :blowkiss: that makes even more sense!

 

[LvsAMystry]

Good point! The evidence bag perhaps is IN the cooler! :blowkiss: that makes even more sense!

Which makes it more intriguing, what evidence was such that it needed to be in a cooler I wonder