FL - Dr Teresa Sievers, 46, murdered in home, Bonita Springs, June 2015 *ARRESTS* #9

[Stopwatch]

i am going to play devils advocate here. Indulge me.

MS was madly in love with TS. they built a life and a practice together. In a divorce, at least the way things are done today, most things are negotiated. One party would have to buy the other party out of the home and also out of the business. He helped build the business and it could be argued , successfully, imo, that her success was due in part with his management of the company books and office personnel and that he contributed to other lucrative deals. Since she was the higher wage earner, she would have to pay HIM either alimony or at least child support for the time the children would spend with him. ( Split custody is very in right now with kids being like gypsies traveling from one home to the other to spend several days a week with each parent)

MS has given up his life and career and personal ambitions to be MR MOM. Life going forward, after a divorce has to be addressed by the court. MS is not going to walk away a pauper, imo. It all boils down to who wanted OUT, imo. If he wanted out, he might just take what the court awards or what he and the lawyers can negotiate. If SHE wanted out, he is mean, jealous, disturbed, insecure and vengeful. IMO, TS wanted out. JMO. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, ya know? MOO

This was my initial gut reaction, and in the last few days I came right back here. Statistically, men don't leave their wives unless they have someone else. If he had someone else, why wouldn't he just get a divorce? It's not unheard of, but what are the chances that his new partner would go along with a murder plot? And if the new partner didn't know about the plot, why would he take such a huge chance, when he could simply get a divorce - it seems like he would be entitled to both spousal and child support. If he was truly smitten by someone else, how would that lead his thoughts to something so vicious as murder? Wouldn't that kind of ruin his self-image as a loving father and family man, and cast a shadow on the new relationship/life?

If he felt wronged, however, he could be very bitter. If it was not in his control, he could feel panicked. And CWW, who might have otherwise said, "Dude, just divorce her and move on with your new woman," might be convinced that TS was ruining his friend's life after all MS had done for her and sympathize enough to help him.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

There was discussion about the igloo cooler that LE took last night, and I said I would post later as was on my phone. Finally back to computer and found the video on the media thread that I was recalling and did a screen shot. (Had to go through a few, and was very interesting indeed to go through and read in chronological order while searching for this) Again, just a strange thing to take into evidence at the crime scene, and then later iirc (cannot find that link now [emoji14]ullhair they took into evidence a cooler in Missouri with blood on it per neighbor.

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http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/07/03/doctor-teresa-sievers-murder-hammer video at link

ETA: Need to backtrack as this video does not showing them putting the cooler into the car. The detectives are about to close the trunk and then open it again is what I saw in ANOTHER video that is longer as I recall. So, perhaps that igloo cooler just happened to be in the car, but in the other video, it appeared that the detectives saw them being filmed, started to close it then let it go up again so media got a good shot of it. Perhaps nothing, but just made me think.

Does LE ever use coolers to help preserve evidence collected at a crime scene?

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[wendybtn]

i am going to play devils advocate here. Indulge me.

MS was madly in love with TS. they built a life and a practice together. In a divorce, at least the way things are done today, most things are negotiated. One party would have to buy the other party out of the home and also out of the business. He helped build the business and it could be argued , successfully, imo, that her success was due in part with his management of the company books and office personnel and that he contributed to other lucrative deals. Since she was the higher wage earner, she would have to pay HIM either alimony or at least child support for the time the children would spend with him. ( Split custody is very in right now with kids being like gypsies traveling from one home to the other to spend several days a week with each parent)

MS has given up his life and career and personal ambitions to be MR MOM. Life going forward, after a divorce has to be addressed by the court. MS is not going to walk away a pauper, imo. It all boils down to who wanted OUT, imo. If he wanted out, he might just take what the court awards or what he and the lawyers can negotiate. If SHE wanted out, he is mean, jealous, disturbed, insecure and vengeful. IMO, TS wanted out. JMO. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, ya know? MOO

I think meeting someone like TS, pretty, high income, wanted a partner to run her office and care for her children, was his life ambition. If she made any noises about leaving, his entire world, self-worth, lifestyle, etc., would be wiped out. People have killed for far less.

 

[atthelake]

Which makes it more intriguing, what evidence was such that it needed to be in a cooler I wonder

Small bottles of drugs that need to be refrigerated for transportation is one option that fits the theories that some folks have here. I just offered it up for discussion after other folks brought up that theory.

I travel on vacation with folks who are diabetics and/or take hormones and that is what they do until they can get to their destination and put it back into the refrigerator.

Myself ..no hormones ..just severe nightsweating lol

 

[human]

It is interesting that she drove the Mercedes which I am sure has far more safety features than the van.

There is plenty of room for the children in the Mercedes.

 

[atthelake]

....Now I am thinking more. Beach .. when you talk to Joy, can you ask her what else might be evidence that needs to be in a refrigerated environment to transport back to law enforcement headquarters for processing.

:tyou:

 

[Lilibet]

RSBM

In that scenario, why kill TS to silence MS? Why not just kill MS? If MS was a danger to some operation, killing TS wouldn't necessarily change that. It could have frightened MS so much that he would run blabbing to LE, begging for protective custody.

Moo

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That's an excellent question. It could be that they had enough on MS that he wouldn't run to LE. I don't think it's that easy to get protective custody. If they had killed MS, I think TS would have moved heaven and earth to find out who did it. MS...not so much, especially if they could incriminate him somehow. She had to go.

Another thought I just had...What if the whole family was the target of the murder, but only TS was at home? If whatever CWW was involved in was big and ruthless, perhaps he would have done what he was told, even if it meant killing his friend to save his own skin. I don't know if I believe this, but I'm just throwing it out there as a theory.

 

[Stopwatch]

That's an excellent question. It could be that they had enough on MS that he wouldn't run to LE. I don't think it's that easy to get protective custody. If they had killed MS, I think TS would have moved heaven and earth to find out who did it. MS...not so much, especially if they could incriminate him somehow. She had to go.

Another thought I just had...What if the whole family was the target of the murder, but only TS was at home? If whatever CWW was involved in was big and ruthless, perhaps he would have done what he was told, even if it meant killing his friend to save his own skin. I don't know if I believe this, but I'm just throwing it out there as a theory.

I've also considered this theory, but IMO it is hard to imagine that they felt they could rely on MS not to talk. If TS really was his whole world, why wouldn't he risk his life to make sure they were caught? He could have been worried about a threat to his daughters, but again, wouldn't they be safer if he reported everything to LE and the perpetrators were caught?

 

[atthelake]

That's an excellent question. It could be that they had enough on MS that he wouldn't run to LE. I don't think it's that easy to get protective custody. If they had killed MS, I think TS would have moved heaven and earth to find out who did it. MS...not so much, especially if they could incriminate him somehow. She had to go.

Another thought I just had...What if the whole family was the target of the murder, but only TS was at home? If whatever CWW was involved in was big and ruthless, perhaps he would have done what he was told, even if it meant killing his friend to save his own skin. I don't know if I believe this, but I'm just throwing it out there as a theory.

plans for the vacation were made much in advance.

are you saying it was last minute that he changed his and the children's flight back after he was scared. Or even before knowing ?

That's too far fetched for me. In my darkest thoughts I can't even go there..

That is more evil than anything I ever heard in my life and I just can't see it with this case.

wow that is some kind of evil for a theory did Mark knew they were in danger and she went alone and he knew of a danger to them/her and this was planned months ahead. (assuming planned months ahead from insider )

 

[relay]

How about a 5 MIO $ Life Insurance Policy?

-Nin

Just catching up. Has it been confirmed Dr. Teresa had a 5 million dollar life insurance policy?

 

[CoolJ]

It is interesting that she drove the Mercedes which I am sure has far more safety features than the van.

There is plenty of room for the children in the Mercedes.

Yes it is interesting because it doesn't fit with what the unverified posters that come on here to bash MS, have to say. If he was so enamoured with money and the luxurious lifestyle... Why did TS have the Benzo and MS that van?

 

[No it's not]

Just catching up. Has it been confirmed Dr. Teresa had a 5 million dollar life insurance policy?

Not yet..:dance:

-Nin

 

[atthelake]

Just catching up. Has it been confirmed Dr. Teresa had a 5 million dollar life insurance policy?

No, I have not read that anywhere including here, other than "what if".

There are laws that were referred to in her will but nothing about the amount. :moo:

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[CoolJ]

I've also considered this theory, but IMO it is hard to imagine that they felt they could rely on MS not to talk. If TS really was his whole world, why wouldn't he risk his life to make sure they were caught? He could have been worried about a threat to his daughters, but again, wouldn't they be safer if he reported everything to LE and the perpetrators were caught?

BBM
The perps were caught..so maybe he did report everything to LE?

 

[atthelake]

So many cases we see it happen and children are involved. I just watched the " murder made me famous" tv show on Reelz network last night that focused on Drew Peterson case ( the case I followed about Staci and Kathleen) it just is so so sad about the children. In that case all the children lost their mothers and their father.. all four of them. So tragic .

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[LvsAMystry]

BBM
The perps were caught..so maybe he did report everything to LE?

JR gf was publicly thanked for her assistance with the investigation, so I'd think if MS has assisted in any way at all it would have been acknowledged by now

 

[Lilibet]

plans for the vacation were made much in advance.

are you saying it was last minute that he changed his and the children's flight back after he was scared. Or even before knowing ?

That's too far fetched for me. In my darkest thoughts I can't even go there..

That is more evil than anything I ever heard in my life and I just can't see it with this case.

wow that is some kind of evil for a theory did Mark knew they were in danger and she went alone and he knew of a danger to them/her and this was planned months ahead. (assuming planned months ahead from insider )

NO!!! I wasn't thinking that MS changed anything at the last minute to avoid endangering himself and let TS be killed. That didn't occur to me at all and I don't think I implied that. If it played out according to either of my working theories, I don't think he knew about it ahead of time.

What I was thinking was that perhaps CWW did not know they wouldn't all be home...IF they were all supposed to die. We don't know how much access he had to her schedule and their travel plans. He may not have known that much. He may have thought they were coming home together. I don't know. I'm just running theories and possibilities through my head.

Bottom line for me at this time is that I think Mark may or may not have gotten tangled up in something big. It could have been CWW taking orders from someone...but not Mark.

JMO SUBJECT TO CHANGE

 

[relay]

No, I wouldn't call it love…..it's interesting to read the article and understand the warped sense of "love" the murderers have and use to describe their behaviour

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...09/why-do-some-men-murder-the-wives-they-love

If the motive was some twisted type of "love" I tend to think the one who "loved" too much would be more likely to do it himself and not have someone else commit the brutal crime.

 

[atthelake]

JR gf was publicly thanked for her assistance with the investigation, so I'd think if MS has assisted in any way at all it would have been acknowledged by now

I did not know she was thanked by law enforcement, but I believe it was acknowledged when directly questioned to LE by Nancy .

Link on* thanks * as I do not recall that?

actually the way Nancy talks over everyone her transcript reads confusing as to whether the sheriff confirmed lol

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[Stopwatch]

I mentioned this last thread and since then I have had the chance to talk to a Transgender friend of mine. She said there is a huuuuge black market for these hormones. Not only within the Transgender community, testosterone is very desired by all sorts of people and can bring in big money. Especially when the dealer came claim a doctor source vs the hormones coming from Mexico.

That is very interesting. TS advocated testosterone treatment for some situations and that made me wonder if MS was doing it.