GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #18

[Sustained]

Dan had the boys until Friday, the day he was killed, when he was supposed to give them back to Wendi. The party was that night.

Thanks for clearing that up !

 

[Sustained]

Dan had the boys until Friday, the day he was killed, when he was supposed to give them back to Wendi. The party was that night.

dbm

 

[Laura930]

I think this is a good take, and it’s something that I haven’t seen too many people note. It is good that we may finally see Justice done as to Donna, if she is indeed guilty. But it’s been almost 10 years, and almost 8 since the bump. They don’t have any new evidence against Donna that they didn’t have in 2016, and there’s never really been a satisfactory explanation, for me, why they didn’t go after her then. She has gotten almost 10 years with those boys, and that’s a long time in the life of a child. That is exactly what she seems to have wanted. The boys can never get those years back, and neither can the Markels. It’s a tremendous injustice, in my opinion. I cannot even begin to speculate on how it may have affected them. It may affect them into the future, in ways they cannot know now. They may not ever want to face what likely happened in this case, and they may need years of therapy to come to terms with it. This is all just my opinion. (They may be fine. I don’t know.). But sometimes Justice delayed is Justice denied. While they were waiting to charge her, these boys were growing up, and that is the real tragedy here that I think people forget. The decision to wait to charge her was not without consequences.

I think this is the most interesting question as why they did not go after her in 2016.

Here is the quote from the Tennessee Democrat:
“The Tallahassee Police Department suggested that Donna Adelson was a prime suspect in the Markel murder back in 2016, when TPD initially presented probable cause affidavits to the State Attorney's Office. At the time, State Attorney Willie Meggs dismissed them as speculation And refused to issue a warrant for their arrest.”

We know that the TPD wanted to arrest her but Willie Meggs would not prosecute. Was this do to some Adelson “connections” or did Meggs feel he could not win the case? We know from the wiretaps that WA was getting information from her judge friends as well as her godfather as mentioned by Charlie. This looks terrible for the district attorney‘s office as they prosecuted the “brown” people but not the “white” people In 2016 and as you said DA was free all those years. I don’t understand how MEGGS could say it was all just speculation, when there was obviously a direct link.

It is possible that given the hung jury for KM trial they did not want to put CA and DA on trial at the same time and they decided to wait to arrest DA. Here is link to detailed story:
tallahassee.com: Who is Donna Adelson? Evidence against latest person charged in Dan Markel murder-for-hire
JMO

 

[amicuscurie]

I think this is the most interesting question as why they did not go after her in 2016.

Here is the quote from the Tennessee Democrat:
“The Tallahassee Police Department suggested that Donna Adelson was a prime suspect in the Markel murder back in 2016, when TPD initially presented probable cause affidavits to the State Attorney's Office. At the time, State Attorney Willie Meggs dismissed them as speculation And refused to issue a warrant for their arrest.”

We know that the TPD wanted to arrest her but Willie Meggs would not prosecute. Was this do to some Adelson “connections” or did Meggs feel he could not win the case? We know from the wiretaps that WA was getting information from her judge friends as well as her godfather as mentioned by Charlie. This looks terrible for the district attorney‘s office as they prosecuted the “brown” people but not the “white” people In 2016 and as you said DA was free all those years. I don’t understand how MEGGS could say it was all just speculation, when there was obviously a direct link.

It is possible that given the hung jury for KM trial they did not want to put CA and DA on trial at the same time and they decided to wait to arrest DA. Here is link to detailed story:
tallahassee.com: Who is Donna Adelson? Evidence against latest person charged in Dan Markel murder-for-hire
JMO

The people arrested first were not exactly innocent victims, though they were not as wealthy or connected as the Adelsons. I do agree the Adelsons should have been charged sooner, but I have no problem with the state charging Katie, Rivera, and Garcia when they did. I also will never understand why the A’s weren’t charged. I can’t believe they had that much influence. Meggs was an officer of the court. I can’t imagine that he saw the evidence and concluded that there was enough to change them, but that he wasn’t going to do it because of some influence they had. That’s just so unethical. Maybe he thought there wasn‘t enough evidence, or that he had some room to maneuver.

 

[alexwood]

The source is YouTube and it looks like Donna posted this from Kenya on safari in 2010. Perhaps she could not share the video with the group she was with so she posted it under her name and it is the only video posted in the account.
Unbelievable the kind of life they were living and to throw it all away about 3-4 years later. As Ruth once stated, “was it worth it to murder my son?”

OMG! Here I was thinking it was a petting zoo in Miami. Silly me -- I SHOULD have known! Incredible the kind of life they were (W - E - R - E, past tense! They'll never see it again.) living. You are absolutely right. As I, and others have said, it is their wealth, and confidence in the fact that they could do and buy anything. The felt as though they were invincible. Very sad and tragic, but totally of their own doing!

 

[Missyrocks5]

While I understand the importance of making sure that the case can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to get the conviction, since the State only gets one bite of the apple, the problem in waiting so long to finally take these people to trial is loss of evidence. We heard at the CA trial how some phone carriers no longer have records that go back that far.

It made me just think now how, in discussions about whether you can prove that DA brought money to CA‘s house that night with the texts that said “outside your house” & “10 minutes” was CA‘s response, if they could get neighbor‘s cameras, that would absolutely prove it. First, I can’t remember if folks had cameras at their homes back then. I don’t think anywhere nearly as common as today for sure, but did they exist. Second, I’m sure all of that is gone by this time.

 

[alexwood]

Mutant Murderer Turtle Suit!

Mamaw Mutant Murder Turtle Suit ("MMMTS")! So funny. I remember taking my son, and a few of his buddies, to the theater (theatre, in Florida and the South I think) to see the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And, he had the action figures (lol). (He's 42 now!)

 

[alexwood]

Her voice probably sounds different because this was before the murder- before the anxiety set in, stress, constant diarrhea, and partaking of too many benzos and booze!

Well, you gotta have something to wash those zannies down!

 

[cottonweaver]

Loved Vinnie's show Tuesday night, as well. He kept talking about how strange that the ADULT DAUGHTER Wendi needed so much help and direction from her mother/parents, something I have always thought really strange.

Wendi's friendships seemed similar, well at least the ones post-split.

Maybe we could also flip it & view it differently? It's not that she's infantilised, it's that she's the Queen, at the centre of the universe. A user & very needy.

Queens need warriors, own armies, help-meets, ladies in waiting, loyal courtiers, fetch-me-carry-me servants, consiglieres, nurses, wet nurses....chauffeurs

eta one trifling example:
- Parents accompanying Wendi & kids, driving up & down TAL and Sth Florida
- Wendi in previous years complaining that she had no-one to listen to her/ converse w her on long drives w Dan ( He wanted to work during the long drives)

 

[jennyjenny]

Are you sure it’s the same guy?

Thanks amicuscurie ... deleted post. Would be interesting twist if same.

 

[alexwood]

I think this is the most interesting question as why they did not go after her in 2016.

Here is the quote from the Tennessee Democrat:
“The Tallahassee Police Department suggested that Donna Adelson was a prime suspect in the Markel murder back in 2016, when TPD initially presented probable cause affidavits to the State Attorney's Office. At the time, State Attorney Willie Meggs dismissed them as speculation And refused to issue a warrant for their arrest.”

We know that the TPD wanted to arrest her but Willie Meggs would not prosecute. Was this do to some Adelson “connections” or did Meggs feel he could not win the case? We know from the wiretaps that WA was getting information from her judge friends as well as her godfather as mentioned by Charlie. This looks terrible for the district attorney‘s office as they prosecuted the “brown” people but not the “white” people In 2016 and as you said DA was free all those years. I don’t understand how MEGGS could say it was all just speculation, when there was obviously a direct link.

It is possible that given the hung jury for KM trial they did not want to put CA and DA on trial at the same time and they decided to wait to arrest DA. Here is link to detailed story:
tallahassee.com: Who is Donna Adelson? Evidence against latest person charged in Dan Markel murder-for-hire
JMO

Willie Meggs ('76) | College of Law

When William N. “Willie” Meggs retires in December 2016 as state attorney for the Second Judicial Circuit of Florida, he will have spent more than 40 years prosecuting cases for the office. Meggs has been around courtrooms for even longer. He began his career in law enforcement, taking...

law.fsu.edu

 

[alexwood]

Why did DA wash the $$?

I know. I wanted to know why, as well. How did she do it? And did she use one of those little zippered mesh garmet bags that you use in the washing machine?

 

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'Premiered 12 hours ago #CourtTV #charlieadelson #danmarkel
Days after Charlie Adelson was found guilty in the killing his former brother-in-law Dan Markel, Charlie's mom Donna Adelson was arrested and faces similar charges for her role in the murder. Markel was in a bitter custody battle with Donna's daughter, Wendi Adelson. Markel's mom Ruth Markel joins #CourtTV with her reaction to the latest developments. '

 

[Weki]

The Behavior Panel is doing Charlie Adelson today. Although I’m confused by the title of their video - he was not calm. He was the most anxious defendant I’ve seen in a long time. Like I said before, Garcia was facing death and was more stoic than Charlie.

 

[amicuscurie]

Thanks amicuscurie ... deleted post. Would be interesting twist if same.

I think it most likely is, but I wouldn’t want to get it wrong. Interesting twist, indeed. If it is the same, what could he be thinking? We will never know.

 

[opt]

I’m NAL but if I were Wendi’s I’d tell her to put herself first and accept that her mother and brother have sealed their fates. I’d tell her to prepare to negotiate with Jack and Georgia for more immunity/lesser charges/no charges at all for her and Harvey, in exchange for information on Donna. Work out shared custody with the Markels, and start talking.

Except: Who would believe anything Wendi says?

 

[Weki]

Wendi's friendships seemed similar, well at least the ones post-split.

Maybe we could also flip it & view it differently? It's not that she's infantilised, it's that she's the Queen, at the centre of the universe. A user & very needy.

Queens need warriors, own armies, help-meets, ladies in waiting, loyal courtiers, fetch-me-carry-me servants, consiglieres, nurses, wet nurses....chauffeurs

eta one trifling example:
- Parents accompanying Wendi & kids, driving up & down TAL and Sth Florida
- Wendi in previous years complaining that she had no-one to listen to her/ converse w her on long drives w Dan ( He wanted to work during the long drives)

I have found in my life experience that passive people surround themselves with over functioning types. There’s an unhealthy dance between those two types of people. In this case Wendi passively married Danny, who is a Type A, assertive personality. But he’s not an emotional coddler so it didn’t work for her and she was emotionally wounded. The irony is that passive people resent the ppl in their lives who may force them to confront their passivity so it’s a tricky dance dealing with ppl like Wendi. Wendi’s friends probably have to do a lot of work to shore up her ego. Dan was too busy for that nonsense. JMO

Edited to add-By the way I think you’re spot on in your characterization of Wendi. A user, needy, Queen B who needs courtiers.

 

[amicuscurie]

I have found in my life experience that passive people surround themselves with over functioning types. There’s an unhealthy dance between those two types of people. In this case Wendi passively married Danny, who is a Type A, assertive personality. But he’s not an emotional coddler so it didn’t work for her and she was emotionally wounded. The irony is that passive people resent the ppl in their lives who may force them to confront their passivity so it’s a tricky dance dealing with ppl like Wendi. Wendi’s friends probably have to do a lot of work to shore up her ego. Dan was too busy for that nonsense. JMO

Dbm

 

[IQuestion]

BBM -

Maybe, but just maybe Georgia doesn't want to play all of her cards in case Wendi is indicted. I don't there's any chance CA/DA would've taken out DM without telling Wendi and getting some necessary info from her.

Agreed!!!

 

[amicuscurie]

I have found in my life experience that passive people surround themselves with over functioning types. There’s an unhealthy dance between those two types of people. In this case Wendi passively married Danny, who is a Type A, assertive personality. But he’s not an emotional coddler so it didn’t work for her and she was emotionally wounded. The irony is that passive people resent the ppl in their lives who may force them to confront their passivity so it’s a tricky dance dealing with ppl like Wendi. Wendi’s friends probably have to do a lot of work to shore up her ego. Dan was too busy for that nonsense. JMO

Edited to add-By the way I think you’re spot on in your characterization of Wendi. A user, needy, Queen B who needs courtiers.

Since we are speculating, she strikes me as extremely manipulative. In my opinion, she is good at making people THINK she needs help/courtiers/ego stroking, etc. I believe these people all serve a purpose for her. I think they think she needs them for help. I think she does need them, but not for the reasons they think. JMO. I think she presents as all of the things you describe above, but I’m not sure what she really IS.