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STS was pretty spicy tonight. Joel tried to head off the brewing Carl Steinbeck allegations that Tim Jansen is "on the take" and is being secretly paid by the Adelsons to parrot their talking points. Now, that allegation is completely baseless and borderline deranged and so Tim Jansen should be given an opportunity to respond. However, Joel went about it in such a weaselly way - he wouldn't use Carl Steinbeck's name but he basically took credit for giving Steinbeck a platform and growing his Youtube Channel.
Karen Cyphers, to her credit, basically forced Joel to "name" Carl Steinbeck and defended Carl's record on predicting the convictions against Charlie. She also questioned how Tim could know that Wendi was seeking advice from some Atlanta attorney who specializes in Kastigar. Fair enough.
But the idea that an attorney who doesn't believe that the State has enough evidence yet to convict Wendi must be "on the take" or "has a hidden agenda" is ludicrous given that the State has not yet charged Wendi. I mean, this is a proposition that is self-evident, not a conspiracy.
I thought Jansen's commentary on the trial was generally pretty good. I watched the whole thing on his stream. But a couple of things raised my eyebrows.
First, Jansen has been repeating the fact that WA has derivative use immunity over and over again, on STS, CourtTV, and in the Tallahassee Democrat. He argues that her derivative use immunity is a barrier to prosecution and that it's "really hard to get around." Jansen is the only lawyer I've seen arguing that this is an important reason why WA might not be charged. According to a bunch of other experts, that is wrong, and Jansen has yet to name a single piece of evidence resulting from WA"s testimony that wasn't available independently. I was surprised to see him double-down on this point and rant about it again last night. He was very aggressive. It was really weird, especially when he previously publicly announced that WA was consulting with an immunity expert- where would he get this info, if not from the defense team?
Second, having watched his entire stream, an interesting pattern emerged. Jansen certainly said that WA was unlikable and not credible. But I never heard him say a thing about any of the evidence in the trial implicating WA- even when this was the natural inference from the evidence and testimony presented- and even when he said he found the testimony credible- so it was confusing.
Jansen was present for most of the trial and commented freely on all kinds of other stuff. I couldn't help but notice that he was absent for WA's direct, had no comment on Stephen Webster (who testified that WA could've been sanctioned), and had no comment on Sgt. Hale (who confirmed the celebration dinner). Interestingly, he was also absent when Sgt. Corbett went into WA's texts regarding Markel's schedule, and WA's trip to the liquor store. At one point, Jansen is madly texting, gives the screen a "thumbs-up" gesture, and subsequently makes a comment about how crazy it would be to think that WA may have communicated with the other conspirators right after the shooting.
I'm not alleging anything, just giving my subjective observations from watching the stream.
I thought the jailhouse interview excerpt reporting a previous hit attempts was very interesting. I do recall that there was a legal reason why that witness couldn't be called- pretty sure the mansplaining by the two male lawyers was not fair or accurate.
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