FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #25

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  • #241
And given HA's age and health, I doubt the State would even prosecute him.
I doubt he’ll flip on HA, period, especially if mom is going down. CA needs some financial support in jail. In his shoes, I won’t count on WA being supportive. DA would have been, but she is going down. So HA remains.
 
  • #242
I would, if the evidence warranted. If he's guilty, impose the financial cost of defense and make his remaining life less pleasant.
Hell yeah.
 
  • #243
I doubt he’ll flip on HA, period, especially if mom is going down. CA needs some financial support in jail. In his shoes, I won’t count on WA being supportive. DA would have been, but she is going down. So HA remains.
Yeah valid point. I'm pretty sure that's the main reason WA is still hanging round like a bad smell. She needs HA and his chequebook.
 
  • #244
In addition to being removed from the bench, Fulford also co-owns/operates a funeral home.

 
  • #245
In addition to being removed from the bench, Fulford also co-owns/operates a funeral home.

It says she is retired from the bench, not removed.

ETA, per an article in the Tallahassee Democrat, she was ordered to retire. Per the article, it says that at the time she was ordered to retire, she was being investigated for misconduct, but per the article the order mandating her retirement says only that she suffered from a disability (which was not named) which was permanent.
 
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  • #246
It says she is retired from the bench, not removed.

ETA, per an article in the Tallahassee Democrat, she was ordered to retire. Per the article, it says that at the time she was ordered to retire, she was being investigated for misconduct, but per the article the order mandating her retirement says only that she suffered from a disability (which was not named) which was permanent.
Where I come from, if you are ordered to retire, you've been removed.
 
  • #247
Where I come from, if you are ordered to retire, you've been removed.
To me it does look like something happened. But I find the disability part strange.
 
  • #248
I would, if the evidence warranted. If he's guilty, impose the financial cost of defense and make his remaining life less pleasant.
Agreed! Old age isn't a reason to give a criminal a free pass i.e. "Well you've gotten away with it for this long"... just because they weren't able to bring it to trial for whatever reasons until now.
 
  • #249
I would, if the evidence warranted. If he's guilty, impose the financial cost of defense and make his remaining life less pleasant.

If he helped deprive DM of living his life, then he should spend his golden years behind bars. Since when is age a deterrent to justice?
 
  • #250
To me it does look like something happened. But I find the disability part strange.
Perhaps ordered by physicians….
I’ve definitely advised people that for their health, it may be time to retire.
However, then they would probably word it “due to health concerns”. That’s respectful reporting.
On the flip side, dramatic reporting, would use “Ordered and Disability”

I leave this to you attorneys but ordered and disability don’t sound correct together. I believe there are quite a few legal issues to fire someone or ask them to step down for a disability. So something about this reporting is off.
 
  • #251
It was probably negotiated. The Court maybe said, "we're going to remove you." She maybe said, "how about if you order me to retire and I do so without objection." To which the court maybe said, "ok."

Like a plea bargain...
 
  • #252
Perhaps ordered by physicians….
I’ve definitely advised people that for their health, it may be time to retire.
However, then they would probably word it “due to health concerns”. That’s respectful reporting.
On the flip side, dramatic reporting, would use “Ordered and Disability”

I leave this to you attorneys but ordered and disability don’t sound correct together. I believe there are quite a few legal issues to fire someone or ask them to step down for a disability. So something about this reporting is off.
Sometimes a settlement is negotiated where the person agrees to step down rather than be disciplined.

It’s possible something like that happened here, hypothetically it’s possible the judge was investigated, but she got a medical opinion that she had a disability, and so instead of a formal disciplinary action, it was agreed she would be ordered to retire but the disability would be cited as the reason.
 
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  • #253
How could Fulford be on a defense team as an officer of the Florida Court while being declared permanently disabled?
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  • #254
LWOP + 30years + 30 years: could Charles Adelson's birthday be happy when he knows that he will celebrate all his remaining birthdays in prison?
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I finally was able to put into words what has always bothered me about WA's interview with Det Isom. When she is told Danny has been shot and she does the "anticipating hyperventilation" DahliaD wailing and then adds "I was on the street and thought a tree fell." She never once says, "OMG, if I had driven down the street an hour earlier, I could have been a victim, too!" But she never says or presents that scenario. I believe the reason she never verbalizes or even entertains that scenario is because she knows she was NEVER the target. She knew/knows Danny was the only intended target and that is why it never occurs to her to play act the "Oh, it could have been me" scenario. Never once!!
Not even saying, "thank God it didn't happen when he had the children." Of course she would never say that either because the plan all along was to make sure the children would not be present!
And then of course, the call to Mommy, "You can put me on speaker phone." ??? Who even thinks to say something like that just before announcing her children's father has been shot and not expected to live??? Realize she has been at the police station for almost 6 hours when she finally makes the call to Donna's phone 7:08PM. Absolutely amazing she finally calls the "Primary caregivers" (when not with Dan) grandparents/financial backers who have been paying her attorneys fees, buying her groceries, the sounding board of every complaint she has about her life, divorce, career, broken home appliance and court rulings, yet doesn't feel the urgency to call her parents for six hours! WA has been talking, blaming, joking, complimenting, hugging, emoting, planning who would pick the children up from daycare .... except for the occassional over-the-top emoting, she comes right back to center and responds to every single question. She isn't exhausted, confused or overwhelmed...she is giving the performance of her life. And even if the police still had her cell phone, she could have asked to use a landline in order to give her parents a call so they could drive up to help her and the children through her crisis. But that wasn't a part of the plan...because Danny was still alive (in the hospital) and DA & HA were not taking the money to CA's house until they got word the dastardly crime had been confirmed and Danny would not survive. Wait-for-the-call.
So much for the "fool proof plan."
 
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  • #257
I've been banging on for ages about DA making a deal or WA or CA, one of them flipping. I was convinced of it. I now think there is zero chance of any of them cooperating with the State and admitting to even a minor level of complicity. They will maintain their innocence to their last breath. It doesn't make sense, but then they don't. Every time I think I've got them figured out, something happens to prove me wrong. They're twisted and broken. They seem to have love and loyalty and kindness, but paradoxically are filled with anger, hate, bitterness. You can't have both.
well said. In addition, the Adelson's have lived the lie for so long, it became their new normal.
 
  • #258
I finally was able to put into words what has always bothered me about WA's interview with Det Isom. When she is told Danny has been shot and she does the "anticipating hyperventilation" DahliaD wailing and then adds "I was on the street and thought a tree fell." She never once says, "OMG, if I had driven down the street an hour earlier, I could have been a victim, too!" But she never says or presents that scenario. I believe the reason she never verbalizes or even entertains that scenario is because she knows she was NEVER the target. She knew/knows Danny was the only intended target and that is why it never occurs to her to play act the "Oh, it could have been me" scenario. Never once!!
Not even saying, "thank God it didn't happen when he had the children." Of course she would never say that either because the plan all along was to make sure the children would not be present!
And then of course, the call to Mommy, "You can put me on speaker phone." ??? Who even thinks to say something like that just before announcing her children's father has been shot and not expected to live??? Realize she has been at the police station for almost 6 hours when she finally makes the call to Donna's phone 7:08PM. Absolutely amazing she finally calls the "Primary caregivers" (when not with Dan) grandparents/financial backers who have been paying her attorneys fees, buying her groceries, the sounding board of every complaint she has about her life, divorce, career, broken home appliance and court rulings, yet doesn't feel the urgency to call her parents for six hours! WA has been talking, blaming, joking, complimenting, hugging, emoting, planning who would pick the children up from daycare .... except for the occassional over-the-top emoting, she comes right back to center and responds to every single question. She isn't exhausted, confused or overwhelmed...she is giving the performance of her life. And even if the police still had her cell phone, she could have asked to use a landline in order to give her parents a call so they could drive up to help her and the children through her crisis. But that wasn't a part of the plan...because Danny was still alive (in the hospital) and DA & HA were not taking the money to CA's house until they got word the dastardly crime had been confirmed and Danny would not survive. Wait-for-the-call.
So much for the "fool proof plan."
And, apparently as per Rashbaum, Harvey was in the shower during that call. So Donna doesn’t say when W says “you can put it on speakphone”, “your dads in the shower”.
Notice after the call, Wendi asks the Victims advocate if she heard her mother on the call.
 
  • #259
When I get discouraged in regards to this case, I think maybe Dan Markel is up there behind it all. While he wants everyone to do time for their crimes, he wants his boys taken care of first and foremost. This latest snafu pushes Donna’s trial back and subsequently the possibility of Wendi’s arrest back. This does give Wendi more time to raise the boys, get them closer to 18.

Then if justice prevails, we may see her future arrest and possible time served during the boys adult life. Whether she knew or not beforehand, she definitely knew after and has not come forward to help close the case.

I used to say it was the state who wanted to protect the boys. And keep them with Wendi. And got attacked online for that.
But you bring up a good point. And Ruth is probably close to Georgia after all this time.
And Ruth and Phil are divorced and 80 years old now and in no position to raise teenage boys who hardly know them and have been probably bad mouthed by Donna their whole lives.
So it could be Ruth who isn’t in a rush for Wendi. And made that clear to Georgia especially preteen when the boys were the most vulnerable to being seperated from the only family they knew. A mental health issue for them.
Ruth could have been thinking of what her son wanted for them.
 
  • #260
Their lives are messed up. I see two different paths they can go down. Accept their family, including their Mum, was involved in murder of their father and, as hard as it might be, do everything in their power to ensure none of them see the light of day again. Or they can choose the Phillip Pilmar path.

His Mum and Uncle killed his Dad, he denied that they did it for many years and I'm not sure if he now acknowledges they were involved, but has publicly stated that "it happened a long time ago", "people need to move on" "his Mum is a lovely, kind person", "his Mum should be released." His Dad was stabbed over 35 times and slowly bled to death over a few hours. Note Phillip Pilmar is a District Attorney. A spineless District Attorney.

If the Markel boys decided to stick by their Mum, it will be to their detriment. They will be never be free. And as harsh as it may seem. They are no longer boys, they are young men who know right from wrong and sometimes you have to step up to the plate and do the right thing. AJ was a 6 year old boy, who got up in court, in front of a judge, jury, lawyers and family members and bravely testified against his mother as he witnessed her killing his sister. She was subsequently convicted.

I hope the Markel boys do the right thing. I don't think they will though. They are faced with a horrible moral dilemma, but if a 6 year old can do the right thing, they can.
They weren’t eyewitnesses to their fathers murder by their mom, as in your example.
 
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