FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #25

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  • #481
“However at some point prior to the murder she found out. Maybe only weeks before. Who knows. I'd like to think her apparent emotional state on the day of the murder was her struggling to deal with the fact the father of her children was about to be murdered, but then she texting CA "this is so sweet." The inference being him killing DanM was a sweet gesture. Not a shred of humanity left in that woman.“




What about her backing out of the house in Tallahassee the same day (Halloween) as Charlie spoke to KM about the hit?

If this was planned behind Wendi’s back, of course they would have done everything to convince her not to buy real-estate in Tallahassee as it would have complicated things. The fact that she backed out is not proof she was brought into the loop. The only information we have on Wendi’s decision to back out of the house is the text exchange between Donna and Charlie. Charlie explained to Donna how he convinced her not to buy the house and I don’t remember his ‘story’ but I remember reading it and recall that it seemed to me that he likely manipulated her. He even hinted as such to Donna.
 
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Yes, I can also see them planning this and purposely leaving Wendi out of the planning with the goal of (obviously) never getting caught and thinking it will simply be an unsolved crime and never disclosing the truth to Wendi. As you suggested, the plan could have taken a turn at any point for multiple reasons and we don’t have enough information to be certain, we can only speculate. Did Wendi figure it out, were they forced to tell her as some point – day of, shortly after? I will continue to say its surprising to me that so many that follow this case say they would never have planned this without Wendi’s blessing. A psychopath doesn’t ask for permission when they are doing something they think is in ‘their’ best interest or the best interest of their family – even if its murder. It’s hard for a healthy human mind to wrap their head around why they didn’t need her permission.

As far as Donna’s message "your brother protected you for years". We can look at that statement in multiple ways. Two likely possibilities:

1) In Donna’s warped mind, the plan to murder Dan was done for Wendi’s best interest and Charlie did it to protect her.
2) It was a more general statement to mean that for Wendi’s entire life Charlie protected his little sister.

I personally think it had more to do with something in the ballpark of two above. Charlie was the first Adelson accused and at the time of her statement, the only one that had been arrested and he had already been convicted. IMO, nothing Charlie did (that is public info) in the aftermath of the murder was done to protect Wendi. I think Donna was saying and doing what she does best, applying the Jewish guilt because she felt Wendi abandoned them and in Donna’s warped mind she believes what they did was justified and Wendi doesn’t appreciate it. Donna is a really sick person.

Unless they find more evidence, the ‘this is so sweet’ text and deletion will likely be the most difficult hurdle for Wendi and her defense team if the day ever comes that she is on trial. IMO, it doesn’t prove her direct involvement, but the fact that she wrote that and deleted it is not a good look and many will interpret it exactly like you suggest unless more details are given like what may have preceded that text from Wendi. Was it in response to something Charlie had texted her? If it was just a random text with no other context in the text string, it does not look good. One of the challenges with trying to apply common sense or logic and speculating on the case is we are only given certain details and set of facts by the prosecution. If there was a message from Charlie in that text string that preceded Wendi's text and it was unrelated to the murder, maybe something else that could have prompted such a reply, would the prosecution have disclosed that?
How about how the family acted the day of the memorial for Dan?
Why would Wendi be avoiding Ruth and not let them see her kids and lie that they would see them that Monday morning, and then take off, get a call from Isom, hang up on him, and in 20 minutes her lawyer is calling Isom.
Then they never contact Isom again.
Thats not the way a woman acts when he father of her kids is murdered. Having no care of concern to contact LE again. And acting incredibly weird doing a podcast basically trashing her ex. 6 months later.
I would think they would have at least pretended to care by contacting TPD to see if there were any leads.
 
  • #484
If this was planned behind Wendi’s back, of course they would have done everything to convince her not to buy real-estate in Tallahassee as it would have complicated things. The fact that she backed out is not proof she was brought into the loop. The only information we have on Wendi’s decision to back out of the house is the text exchange between Donna and Charlie. Charlie explained to Donna how he convinced her not to buy the house and I don’t remember his ‘story’ but I remember reading it and recall that it seemed to me that he likely manipulated her. He even hinted as such to Donna.
But what about her excuse? That DM owed her money and she couldnt afford it. Well, she would have known that from the get go. IMO it’s a really poor excuse. But what else could she have said ? “I found out my brother hired a hitman”?
And what happens 5 months later? Her parents put a huge deposit on a high priced Miami condo. What was the deposit? Like 80K? As if they weren’t going to help her with her house…
 
  • #485
How about how the family acted the day of the memorial for Dan?
Why would Wendi be avoiding Ruth and not let them see her kids and lie that they would see them that Monday morning, and then take off, get a call from Isom, hang up on him, and in 20 minutes her lawyer is calling Isom.
Then they never contact Isom again.
Thats not the way a woman acts when he father of her kids is murdered. Having no care of concern to contact LE again. And acting incredibly weird doing a podcast basically trashing her ex. 6 months later.
I would think they would have at least pretended to care by contacting TPD to see if there were any leads.

The Adelson family (at least 2 and maybe more) murdered Dan – doesn’t that explain their strange behavior? As far the way Wendi acted or anything she did that was ‘strange’ after the murder, IF she found out her family was responsible on the day of the murder (which is a possibility), wouldn’t that explain all her strange behavior too? The fact that she behaved ‘strange’ by any normal standards does not mean she was directly involved. You keep bring up case details that are factual and documented as if they are evidence she was directly involved. This case is very complex and I think a lot of people make sweeping generalizations that may be true or probable but not necessarily proof Wendi was directly involved.
 
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But what about her excuse? That DM owed her money and she couldnt afford it. Well, she would have known that from the get go. IMO it’s a really poor excuse. But what else could she have said ? “I found out my brother hired a hitman”?
And what happens 5 months later? Her parents put a huge deposit on a high priced Miami condo. What was the deposit? Like 80K? As if they weren’t going to help her with her house…

By the time she testified (and probably MUCH earlier) she knew with 100% certainty that her family murdered Dan AND ‘if’ she wasn’t directly involved she consciously decided to protect them which means she lied about A LOT of things. Dan did owe her money, so that wasn’t a lie, but whether or not that was the reason she didn’t buy the house is not something anyone can prove. Her saying that doesn’t mean anything and it’s a good possibility it was just a lie.
 
  • #487
I wouldn’t have known about the murder if not for Dateline…..as with many other murders. I don’t live near there. What does our justice system have to do with Dateline, 20/20, 48 Hours? They are shows to bring awareness.
Same here. I live on the other side of the country. I learned about this case because of a true crime show. We still have trials in this country to decide guilt or innocence. Public opinion doesn't matter- it's what the jury knows. and if you demonstrate too much knowledge of a particular case from watching it on a true crime show, you aren't getting picked for that jury. So I don't see what the problem is.
 
  • #488
By the time she testified (and probably MUCH earlier) she knew with 100% certainty that her family murdered Dan AND ‘if’ she wasn’t directly involved she consciously decided to protect them which means she lied about A LOT of things. Dan did owe her money, so that wasn’t a lie, but whether or not that was the reason she didn’t buy the house is not something anyone can prove. Her saying that doesn’t mean anything and it’s a good possibility it was just a lie.
She claimed she only found out at Charlies trial. When GC said “So your brother and mother knew since 2014 who killed the father of your children and you didn’t” (something like that). Yes an officer of the court blatantly lying.
And the whole house thing could have been just to make it appear she was staying.
I wish we knew more about that “last summer, my brother” thing..when the family lost..what was it 15K?
 
  • #489
She claimed she only found out at Charlies trial. When GC said “So your brother and mother knew since 2014 who killed the father of your children and you didn’t” (something like that). Yes an officer of the court blatantly lying.
And the whole house thing could have been just to make it appear she was staying.
I wish we knew more about that “last summer, my brother” thing..when the family lost..what was it 15K?

Imagine an officer of the court lying – I bet that never happened before :). The text exchange between Donna & Charlie about the house was well before the murder. I seriously doubt that was part of a strategic plan to make it appear she was staying. Donna & Charlie’s text re unwinding the house deal was used as evidence (or to paint a picture) to show that Donna & Charlie knew a purchase of a home would complicate their plan. Realistically, if Wendi is ever on trial that text exchange will benefit her greatly – it will be used by the defense to establish that Donna & Charlie acted in concert. When or if Wendi ever stands trial, both Charlie & Donna will be convicted and her defense will not be aligned with the double extortion BS – that’s a guarantee.
 
  • #490
Have you all discussed the fact that it appears WA was making sure she was on her phone with someone the entire time she was driving from her place to lunch with the girls on the day of the murder, as if her life depended on it? Was that her standard process when she got in the car? Didn’t she call people she hadn’t talked to for quite a long time?
 
  • #491
I don't really think CA can flip on WA. He doesn't have anything the state can use to help prosecute WA. He deliberately kept WA out of the plans to kill DanM and probably never discussed any of the details of the plot with her, hence the fact DA alluded to CA protecting his sister. However, he may have done this for other reasons, such as it being ego-driven. It was his plot, his magnum opus, he was the maestro and simply did not want others to contribute to the planning, sharing in the glory.

Irrespectively, WA was sufficiently insulated. She knew the murder was going to happen, but if there were any incriminating communications between the two, it was done via WhatsApp and it seems unlikely that those messages will be retrieved. There is no hard evidence he can give the State other than his word that WA was a party to the conspiracy and his word is worthless.

CA flipping has been seen by many as the only chance the State can get WA. As I've said previously, I think at this stage the only way they can get WA is with accessory after the fact. The elements of that offence are:

  • You knew that the offender committed a crime
  • You intended to help the offender evade justice
That (IMO) will be fairly easy to prove that WA knew CA committed the crime. His name was the first name out her mouth in the police interview. And her lies post-murder in her police interview and in court would be classed as an attempt to help CA evade justice.
 
  • #492
I don't really think CA can flip on WA. He doesn't have anything the state can use to help prosecute WA. He deliberately kept WA out of the plans to kill DanM and probably never discussed any of the details of the plot with her, hence the fact DA alluded to CA protecting his sister. However, he may have done this for other reasons, such as it being ego-driven. It was his plot, his magnum opus, he was the maestro and simply did not want others to contribute to the planning, sharing in the glory.
I have posted all of this before but here I go again.

I think it is highly likely that the plot was discussed during the 18 minute phone conversation between CA and WA on the morning of the murder. I suspect that WA was freaking out because DM wanted to take the boys swimming that afternoon and she was worried that the murder might not have happened by then. I further suspect that CA assured her during that call that all would be taken care of well before then. Note, WA tells what I believe to be a "half-truth" when she testified that she did discuss the swimming issue with CA during that call. I think she omitted the part about why they discussed this.

Without yet having confirmation that the murder occurred, I believe WA continued to obsess over the idea that DM might have the boys with him later that afternoon while hitmen are still stalking him. I believe THAT is why WA made the impulsive and reckless decision to drive by Trescott. I believe she was hoping to get some type of confirmation that DM was dead, and that is exactly what she got on the drive, and that is exactly why (in my opinion) she took off like a bat out of hell without asking any questions.
 
  • #493
Have you all discussed the fact that it appears WA was making sure she was on her phone with someone the entire time she was driving from her place to lunch with the girls on the day of the murder, as if her life depended on it? Was that her standard process when she got in the car? Didn’t she call people she hadn’t talked to for quite a long time?
Yes the guy from England. Two calls seperated by a few minutes when she got the bourbon. In fact, she was over 10 minutes late to lunch because she was yakking with him. I won’t put his name here. Only to say another “Jeff”. Welcome here- I see you just joined.
 
  • #494
I have posted all of this before but here I go again.

I think it is highly likely that the plot was discussed during the 18 minute phone conversation between CA and WA on the morning of the murder. I suspect that WA was freaking out because DM wanted to take the boys swimming that afternoon and she was worried that the murder might not have happened by then. I further suspect that CA assured her during that call that all would be taken care of well before then. Note, WA tells what I believe to be a "half-truth" when she testified that she did discuss the swimming issue with CA during that call. I think she omitted the part about why they discussed this.

Without yet having confirmation that the murder occurred, I believe WA continued to obsess over the idea that DM might have the boys with him later that afternoon while hitmen are still stalking him. I believe THAT is why WA made the impulsive and reckless decision to drive by Trescott. I believe she was hoping to get some type of confirmation that DM was dead, and that is exactly what she got on the drive, and that is exactly why (in my opinion) she took off like a bat out of hell without asking any questions.
Yes you reminded me that SG didn’t call KM until 90 minutes after the hit. So it was 12:30 when KM found out and Wendi may have either left her house knowing,,,just at that time (or unknowingly bc there were no it any calls made from CA to her to let her know…)and she just couldn't take it. People have said she may have had a burner phone, and that she left the house right after she found out. Still, needed to drive by for whatever reason.
Incriminating evidence although not proving she knew was that the waited 1.5 hours after DM’s voice mail to call him back. If the after school pickup was so important, and also choosing the school before Monday, also important, she would not have waited until 11:45 call him back. (Or was it a text? Don’t recall.
Seems it was more important to make last minute lunch plans, when meeting with Dan was so important.
Because she knew she was never going to meet with him.
She was picked up at 2:15 and wasn’t Dan wanting to pick up the boys at 3 or so?
So when was the discussion about the school going to happen?
Since she didnt call again saying “I’m going to lunch when are we meeting?”
Or who was picking them up?
Never.
Interesting, that as she was eating her “whole Delicious lunch”, it never occurred to her that DM wanted to walk around the campus talking to her…
 
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I have posted all of this before but here I go again.

I think it is highly likely that the plot was discussed during the 18 minute phone conversation between CA and WA on the morning of the murder. I suspect that WA was freaking out because DM wanted to take the boys swimming that afternoon and she was worried that the murder might not have happened by then. I further suspect that CA assured her during that call that all would be taken care of well before then. Note, WA tells what I believe to be a "half-truth" when she testified that she did discuss the swimming issue with CA during that call. I think she omitted the part about why they discussed this.

Without yet having confirmation that the murder occurred, I believe WA continued to obsess over the idea that DM might have the boys with him later that afternoon while hitmen are still stalking him. I believe THAT is why WA made the impulsive and reckless decision to drive by Trescott. I believe she was hoping to get some type of confirmation that DM was dead, and that is exactly what she got on the drive, and that is exactly why (in my opinion) she took off like a bat out of hell without asking any questions.

We can only speculate and let’s assume everything you say is true. If the reason she traveled down Trescott was because of her concern and nervousness about the boys potentially being with Dan AND she was fully aware of the plan, wouldn’t she have gone into full panic mode once she hit the roadblock? She wasn’t told the boys were fine until Isom showed up at the restaurant. There is no evidence to suggest she went into panic mode. Also, saying she took off like a ‘bat out of hell’ is not consistent with Officer Bill Brannon’s testimony – he was the officer that secured north perimeter where Wendi made her famous k-turn. All he said was “there was a little less hesitancy to turn around as compared to other vehicles” – but I have heard many in social media describe it the way you did. Further, Officer Bill Brannon is the same guy that wrote in his field report that he couldn’t see the occupant of the vehicle yet he testified 5 years later he was ‘pretty sure it was a female’? Chris Decoste called him out on that. I classify him as a very suspect witness regarding details based on his changing testimony about the occupant of the vehicle – that is too big to be small in my book.

Back to your theory, I’m somewhat onboard because I also think in that 18-miuute call there was likely a discussion about Dan. I’m just not convinced it had anything to do with any details of the plan. I can see the purpose of that call being Charlie’s warning to Wendi that something was going down and to keep a low profile OR just Charlie & Donna's plan to keep tabs on Wendi based on what was going down. I would think if she knew of the plan and her concern was Dan had the boys and that was the reason she set off to Trescott, she would have gone into full panic mode after she hit the roadblock. There is no evidence to suggest she went into panic mode. Based on what we know about Wendi, courtesy of Jeff Lacasse, I think if all your assumptions are correct, I can't see how she would have kept her composure after the famous k-turn.
 
  • #496
We can only speculate and let’s assume everything you say is true. If the reason she traveled down Trescott was because of her concern and nervousness about the boys potentially being with Dan AND she was fully aware of the plan, wouldn’t she have gone into full panic mode once she hit the roadblock? =
No, because they boys were still in school and Dan wouldn't have been with them until much later in the day.
 
  • #497
No, because they boys were still in school and Dan wouldn't have been with them until much later in the day.

Got ya – I thought you were suggesting she thought he had already picked up the boys... If we only had the transcript of that 18-minute phone call, it would undoubtedly answer all questions.
 
  • #498
Got ya – I thought you were suggesting she thought he had already picked up the boys... If we only had the transcript of that 18-minute phone call, it would undoubtedly answer all questions.
Which goes back to my original point. This is (theoretically, at least) evidence that Charles Adelson could provide: testimony about that contents of that phone call.
 
  • #499
Which goes back to my original point. This is (theoretically, at least) evidence that Charles Adelson could provide: testimony about that contents of that phone call.
But that would be hearsay wouldn't it? And it also would be coming from someone with no credibility who has motive to lie.
 
  • #500
But that would be hearsay wouldn't it? And it also would be coming from someone with no credibility who has motive to lie.
No, it would not be inadmissable hearsay. It would be a defendant's own statement/admission, which is admissible. Whether CA's testimony is credible is for the jury to decide (much like KM's testimony). It is still evidence.
 
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