FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #28

[Zedzded]

It doesn’t bother me at all. It’s a fact the TV was broken and we will likely never know how it happened. If I were to bet, it’s probably true that one of the boys threw something at it

I think it probably was broken by them accidentally and then the idea formed in their head that they could use it as an alibi or at least an event WA could cite when talking to LE to demonstrate she was busy that day.

I'm not sure how useful the TV repair will be in a trial. It needs something more. I've read the TV repair man's statement, but I want to know:

1. why he was there for 45 mins after telling WA the TV could not be repaired.
2. what was he doing for 45 mins.
3 hear from WA why she still phoned CA to ask whether she should repair or replace the TV despite being told it could not be repaired.
4. how much was the TV worth. If it was a cheap "dorm TV" why was WA upset?

 

[Going Rogue]

It's not what you believe or what I believe, it's what the jury believes.

Exactly it's what the jury believes AND all we have heard is a one-sided presentation of the drive to Trescott. It will not be that way in a Wendi trial. I can list SEVERAL things hat will be argued by the defense that NO ONE talks about. I'll give you one simple one – when the defense drills down on where EXACTLY the roadblock north of Tescott was set up – what will be the answer? It's been stated as 2 to 5 houses away. If it was 5 houses away you CAN NOT see Dan’s house from that location. So did Wendi see the police activity at Dan’s house? We simply don’t know definitively. I’m just scratching the surface and giving one point. I have many more things that are problematic for the prosecution in the case against Wendi – but I don’t want to make any enemies here – I like this place

 

[Zedzded]

Exactly it's what the jury believes AND all we have heard is a one-sided presentation of the drive to Trescott. It will not be that way in a Wendi trial. I can list SEVERAL things hat will be argued by the defense that NO ONE talks about. I'll give you one simple one – when the defense drills down on where EXACTLY the roadblock north of Tescott was set up – what will be the answer? It's been stated as 2 to 5 houses away. If it was 5 houses away you CAN NOT see Dan’s house from that location. So did Wendi see the police activity at Dan’s house?

She said she saw police tape and turned. The tape says "police tape do not cross." Yet she claimed it might be a fallen tree. In Australia if someone is hurt by a fallen tree the police are not called. It is not a crime scene. There is no crime scene tape.

 

[Zedzded]

 

[Going Rogue]

She said she saw police tape and turned. The tape says "police tape do not cross." Yet she claimed it might be a fallen tree. In Australia if someone is hurt by a fallen tree the police are not called. It is not a crime scene. There is no crime scene tape.

This didn’t happen in Australia Been down this road before – from AI:

In Tallahassee, FL, police may use "Police Line Do Not Cross" tape to secure an area with falling trees if the situation poses a significant public safety risk, such as during a storm, hurricane, or when trees are actively falling and blocking roads. However, this depends on the context:

• When Police Might Use It:​
  • If falling trees create a hazardous situation (e.g., blocking major roads, endangering drivers, or involving downed power lines), the Tallahassee Police Department or Leon County Sheriff’s Office may use police tape to cordon off the area while they manage the scene or await public works or utility crews.​

 

[Knitpicker]

I watched it a few days ago, and my thought was they failed to explain how “Wendi Adelson Incriminated Herself” – which was in the title of the video. I also posted their other video in to another forum that I won’t mention by name -”The Case Against Wendi Adelson: Why She Hasn’t Been Charged”. Which I think they hit the mark… meaning the content was presented in a way the matched the title. IMO, the one you referenced is more clickbait because it didn’t prove at all how Wendi incriminated herself in my opinion.. If I missed something, let me know.

Thats OK lol
I don’t think we saw the same video. He made A LOT of connections to it being a family thing.

Funny to me was how she went into great detail in another trial about the oatmeal..the kind you keep stirring and stirring…to Donnas trial of not even remembering if she had breakfast.

I had a whole bunch of notes on a post It but can’t find it now.

 

[Going Rogue]

Thats OK lol
I don’t think we saw the same video. He made A LOT of connections to it being a family thing.

Funny to me was how she went into great detail in another trial about the oatmeal..the kind you keep stirring and stirring…to Donnas trial of not even remembering if she had breakfast.

I had a whole bunch of notes on a post It but can’t find it now.

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[Zedzded]

This didn’t happen in Australia Been down this road before – from AI:

In Tallahassee, FL, police may use "Police Line Do Not Cross" tape to secure an area with falling trees if the situation poses a significant public safety risk, such as during a storm, hurricane, or when trees are actively falling and blocking roads. However, this depends on the context:

• When Police Might Use It:​
  • If falling trees create a hazardous situation (e.g., blocking major roads, endangering drivers, or involving downed power lines), the Tallahassee Police Department or Leon County Sheriff’s Office may use police tape to cordon off the area while they manage the scene or await public works or utility crews.​

So you actually think a reasonable person and a mother would come across that scene, assume it was a fallen tree (despite absence of a fallen tree) and just drive off, calling no-one..

 

[Zedzded]

This didn’t happen in Australia Been down this road before – from AI:

In Tallahassee, FL, police may use "Police Line Do Not Cross" tape to secure an area with falling trees if the situation poses a significant public safety risk, such as during a storm, hurricane, or when trees are actively falling and blocking roads. However, this depends on the context:

• When Police Might Use It:​
  • If falling trees create a hazardous situation (e.g., blocking major roads, endangering drivers, or involving downed power lines), the Tallahassee Police Department or Leon County Sheriff’s Office may use police tape to cordon off the area while they manage the scene or await public works or utility crews.​

I'm not sure if you're a parent, but 99.99999% of parents upon seeing this scene would jump from their car and run screaming towards the police demanding to know what was going on. WA - casually does a "K-turn" buys booze and goes for a nice lunch date. Zero Fs given...

 

[Knitpicker]

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I will attest that it takes much longer to cook Old Fashioned Oats than grits…Now I know where Wendi got the idea from. Lol.

 

[Baba O'Riley]

Hoping someone knows the truth on this subject.
When Wendi left the divorce papers, as per the last trial she was in Miami for 2 weeks.
I remember on the stand Wendi disputing this saying that Dan saw the kids the NEXT DAY.

Previously, I had thought she stayed with a friend for a few days.
And he didn’t know where they were.
Regardless, either Wendi isn't being forthright in her story or Dan wasn’t.

Does anyone know the truth about this?
Did Dan see the kids the next day?(He did know where she and the kids were)
Was she staying local for a few days? (And he did not know where the kids were)
Was she with her family in S Florida for 2 weeks?(And he did not know where the kids were)

According to Stephen Epstein’s book, “Extreme Punishment”, Chapter 9:

“DAN FINALLY MADE CONTACT with Wendi on September 11—the day after he returned from New York—persuading her that he’d file kidnapping charges unless she let him see the kids immediately. She relented. They met for ice cream so he could see for himself that the boys were still in town and were fine. Wendi had their mutual friends Allen and Lynn Grossman accompany her, hoping their presence would tamp down her husband’s anger.”

It isn’t clear where Wendi and the boys were staying and she refused to tell him at first. The book goes on to say that Dan barged into Wendi’s FSU office in late September and demanded she give him the address of where they were staying or he was going to file kidnapping charges. Wendi relented.

 

[sripey]

So you actually think a reasonable person and a mother would come across that scene, assume it was a fallen tree (despite absence of a fallen tree) and just drive off, calling no-one..

Yeah, that's kinda crazy. If I came upon something like that in the neighborhood of a friend, I would certainly text them to enquire if they knew what was going on... just out of curiosity. If it was the street my ex, who is currently watching my kids, lived on I would call immediately to find out what's going on. Wendy's lack of curiosity in this situation is definitely a point in favor of conspiracy.

 

[Zedzded]

Wow. How did that YTer manage to be there taking photos right after Dan was shot? ...wait a sec ...maybe he's the real shooter?!

Are you OK?

 

[Tortoise]

Was there enough time for Donna to have counted and washed the money, packed for her trip, and arrived at Charlie's place with the money at 9pm, if she didn't know Dan had been shot, before Wendi called her at 7pm? How long was she on the phone with Wendi?

It seems to me that Charlie wouldn't just take the shooter's word for it, before making arrangements to pay for it. Wendi was the only person in Tallahassee who could confirm it.

 

[Knitpicker]

According to Stephen Epstein’s book, “Extreme Punishment”, Chapter 9:

“DAN FINALLY MADE CONTACT with Wendi on September 11—the day after he returned from New York—persuading her that he’d file kidnapping charges unless she let him see the kids immediately. She relented. They met for ice cream so he could see for himself that the boys were still in town and were fine. Wendi had their mutual friends Allen and Lynn Grossman accompany her, hoping their presence would tamp down her husband’s anger.”

It isn’t clear where Wendi and the boys were staying and she refused to tell him at first. The book goes on to say that Dan barged into Wendi’s FSU office in late September and demanded she give him the address of where they were staying or he was going to file kidnapping charges. Wendi relented.

Thanks. So she was in the apartment her mother signed for with her maiden name?
“late September “ could have been the 2 weeks that he didn’t know where the kids were.
Not that she was in Miami.
Incredible she did this.
Thanks again. I read the book and don’t remember that part!

 

[Knitpicker]

Was there enough time for Donna to have counted and washed the money, packed for her trip, and arrived at Charlie's place with the money at 9pm, if she didn't know Dan had been shot, before Wendi called her at 7pm? How long was she on the phone with Wendi?

It seems to me that Charlie wouldn't just take the shooter's word for it, before making arrangements to pay for it. Wendi was the only person in Tallahassee who could confirm it.

She knew after it happened. There were calls going back and forth between them all.
The money wasn’t given to KM until the next morning. Why she slept at Charlies.
They weren’t going to pay unless he died.
She was on her way to Wendis so she had to drop it off then.
He died early AM the next day (around 14 hrs after the murder)

 

[Tortoise]

She knew after it happened. There were calls going back and forth between them all.
The money wasn’t given to KM until the next morning. Why she slept at Charlies.
He died early AM the next day (around 14 hrs after the murder)

I'm talking about from an evidence against Wendi perspective? If Donna had to have known before Wendi called her.

 

[Knitpicker]

I'm not sure if you're a parent, but 99.99999% of parents upon seeing this scene would jump from their car and run screaming towards the police demanding to know what was going on. WA - casually does a "K-turn" buys booze and goes for a nice lunch date. Zero Fs given...

It would have been OK if she called Dan, because after all he didn’t answer the phone at 11:42 right? And that would have surprised her because she was waiting to hear back from him.
So you’d think she would put 2+2 together. And be even more curious why he didn’t call her back.
But we know thats why she drove by.

But him not answering, and then her being on the street with 15 cop cars (as per Isom in ML) right by his house (a few on his driveway), you’d think she would have called him at least up until she was picked up by Isom at 2:10 or so almost 2 hours after passing the crime scene), especially since the pick up plans weren’t made (she said at Donnas trial I believe that he was taking them swimming-alluding that it was decided)

But didn’t she text him and she said no to that? I think so.

 

[Knitpicker]

I'm not sure where her getting lost comes from? Regarding Trescott being a shortcut, if you (and others) refuse to acknowledge the facts supporting the claim that Wendi preferred to cut through Trescott as her usual route to points south of the Trescott home, you are not looking at this objectively. I often attribute this to confirmation bias. Isn’t it a fact that Jeff Lacasse literally said in his police interview that he passed Dan’s house hundreds of times because Trescott is a shortcut? Didn’t Jeff also say under cross-examination that he and Wendi traveled that route together on at least three separate occasions, specifically mentioning the trip to Gainesville a month before the murder when they took Trescott? What I’m giving you is all fact – not assumptions. Why does no one ever mention that Jeff also considers Trescott a shortcut? Another local, Mentour Lawyer, also said Trescott is a route he often takes and that it can be considered a shortcut. Yet, in all forums discussing this case, it’s claimed not to be a shortcut? Additionally, Carl S. constantly claims the extra 4.1 miles Wendi traveled to go to ABC was 40 minutes out of her way – when it likely added only 6 to 9 minutes to her route. Sorry, but there is a complete failure to examine the facts objectively in social media. My statement doesn’t mean I’m claiming Wendi is innocent, but, by and large, in social media the way certain details about the case against Wendi is analyzed is heavily biased – the Treccott shortcut is a great example. As I outlined, the facts support its was her preferred route and it can be considered a shortcut – Per Jeff Lacasse (not me)..

Respectfully, if you think it’s not worth debating because I refuse to acknowledge that Trescott is not a shortcut, I’m at a loss for words. If you want to debate whether her being in the area on the afternoon of the shooting is suspicious, I’d agree, but:

• Wendi attempting to take Trescott on the afternoon of the shooting is a fact – I 100% agree with that.​
• Wendi attempting to take Trescott on the afternoon of the shooting to confirm Dan was shot is an assumption – not a fact.​
• Tresott not being a shortcut, is a ridiculous argument that only exists in social media. Facts are that it CAN be considered a shortcut. Just ask Jeff or Mentour Lawyer - two locals that have LITERALLY said it is or CAN be considered a shortcut - Don't ask Carl ​

This has been discussed in the past here.
The issue is not whether Trescott is a shortcut to ABC, the issue is that she went out of her way to ABC AND passed the house, when she was short on time and could have gotten the bourbon where she was going to have lunch a SHORT distance from her home.
Why would anyone make a 25 minute loop out of their way when they can buy something in a center they are going to be at? It makes no sense, So its not about Trescott being a shortcut.

Her answer to this on the stand ..”Because it was the first one that CAME UP”(or POPPED up)
What does that mean?

So if she needed the Google search ,(popped up as in showed on her search), then it wasn’t that she was familiar with this particular store. You can’t have it both ways.

People have defended her by saying it was the one she was familiar with, living in that neighborhood.

But SHE HERSELF never said that!

I am no lawyer, it is about “Just use your common sense”!

 

[Knitpicker]

I'm talking about from an evidence against Wendi perspective? If Donna had to have known before Wendi called her.

Do you mean Katie?