FL - Homeless Lady & 15 kids "Somebody needs to pay"

[dr dona]

Sorry if I offend but I don't want my taxes used to support this insanity!!!! I agree with tubal ligation!!!! In fact, I think two should be the limit if you're using tax dollars to support your procreation!!!!!

 

[not_my_kids]

I think if you are completely dependent on tax dollars to raise your kids, you should maybe take a break until you are in a better situation. Other than that, we still have the right to procreate freely. I see absolutely no reason to point a finger and say, "You get food stamps, so we're going to sterilize you."

However, I think that when you are proven to be an absolutely horrible parent, and you have so many children that you cannot provide for them, even under your best personal circumstances, then we should start sterilizing people. For example, this woman is much too selfish to be able to ever teach her children good lessons or set a good example. Her own actions proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. This woman specifically, should be sterilized. She's raising the future welfare population of FL, and she's probably done a good job of instilling in her boys that they need to spread their seed as much as possible, regardless of their situation, and teaching her girls to start having sex and babies as soon as possible, because that's a paycheck, and the only one they really need. She disgusts me.

 

[Trident]

So , the the father of ten of the children ,was supporting her and the kids. He was arrested because somehow he could still afford cocaine and she is saying she was fine until they arrested him and now it is the states fault for arresting him?? That is her position on this ? That the state should shut up an pay because they started this mess in the first place? Twisted aint she??



All kidding aside , asking if she was pregnant in court because they suspected she might have had sex in front of the children was out of line. She could of had sex in a car outside or in the backyard of 2 bedroom apartment. Her being pregnant would not have made that point of case for them.So unless the children said they saw it the court has no right to presume she has done so. JMO. So in not answering the question she was using her 5th amendment right. How can the lock her up for that when according to the reporter the goal of the question was specific?

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Good post, ITA. Even though this mother seems to think "someone" owes her a living, you made a good point. Once the legal threshold is crossed, everyone, you, me, and all except the politicians or millionaires need to watch out.

 

[tlcya]

I was offended by the court asking her if she were pregnant as well. Shades of big brother - yet again. However, that said, I can't help but think of Jhessye Shockley and the complete failure of the court who sentenced her pregnant mother to prison for severely abusing Jhessye's siblings. Jhessye's mom was pregnant with her at the time she was convicted. This woman travelled to Arizona, gave birth to Jhessye, handed her over to relatives. The mother's parental rights were severed to her other children. Somehow, no one thought to question what became of the child she was pregnant with when convicted. She returned to CA for sentencing and then when she got out, promptly went and ripped Jhessye from the loving arms that had raised her.

Jhessye is now missing and presumed dead.

So yeah, big brother, not a fan. But dead babies who never should have been with their parent to begin with, less a fan.

 

[ziggy]

She obviously has some sort of character or personality disorder. These disorders are always characterized by profound self-centeredness and sense of entitlement. That sense of entitlement comes directly from the self-centeredness, it is a natural outcome.

She was given a six bedroom home rent-free, besides the the state welfare, but she couldn't tolerate ANY involvement of CPS whatsoever. She believes the rent-free home was what she had coming. In her mind, give and take does not apply to her. She has fifteen children! Therefore, she DESERVES and is ENTITLED to outside assistance.

Shades of Octomom. I know I wondered how Octomom could have done what she did, considering the consequences. Well, she didn't even consider "consequences". Consequences are for OTHER people to deal with, not her blessed and entitled self. Same for Angel Adams.

The reason this makes no sense to most of us is because the "sense" is that of a personality disordered person. It's a lot like the "sense" a four year old child makes when they throw a huge tantrum because you refuse to allow them to play on the roof , or refuse to allow them to eat their Halloween candy as they wish. A four year old has no concept of consequences, and inside, they are sure YOU the parent will deal with it FOR them.

No different with Angel Adams. She plopped out 15 kids, but it is OUR problem, and she actually believes this.

Or sometimes that sense of entitlement comes from not ever knowing anything different. I'm not making an excuse, I just think it's a symptom of the way we've been treating the poor in this country - as if they have no responsibility and are entitled to a handout. It's no wonder this is their mentality. She's WRONG on all levels but the mentality is all too common and it is not all personality disorder - it's conditioning.

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

wth man...that woman is a hot mess and those poor kids will pay the price. smh

 

[Kat]

She obviously has some sort of character or personality disorder. These disorders are always characterized by profound self-centeredness and sense of entitlement. That sense of entitlement comes directly from the self-centeredness, it is a natural outcome.



The reason this makes no sense to most of us is because the "sense" is that of a personality disordered person.

PG I clipped your post only for space, I hope you don't mind. Yes I do think this is probably the issue. In fact, that was the first thing that came to my mind when I read her story. Personality disordered.

Angel Adams is a real difficult person.

Yup. Short and sweet but exactly to the point HMS. That's why I really feel for these kids. They are between a rock and a hard place. They don't even have the intellectual or emotional maturity to understand that their Mother doesn't have their best interest at heart because she's too self focused and the hard place is that foster care is more than likely not going to keep them together as siblings, and they may or may not get a loving family. It's the roll of the dice. Bless their hearts!

 

[PeteyGirl]

Or sometimes that sense of entitlement comes from not ever knowing anything different. I'm not making an excuse, I just think it's a symptom of the way we've been treating the poor in this country - as if they have no responsibility and are entitled to a handout. It's no wonder this is their mentality. She's WRONG on all levels but the mentality is all too common and it is not all personality disorder - it's conditioning.

I agree with you, "we" (society, culture) have treated the "poor" as if they didn't have two dendrites to rub together and come up with a conclusion, and that does infect the mindset of the generations of poor who come behind.

I can't help but wonder if this "stupidity" isn't an affectation. Not genuine at all (as it would be for a person of less than average intelligence, or a person with untreated mental illness).

It is tempting to any human being to get something for free. We clip coupons and search websites for the cheapest airfares and hotel rates.

It takes a profoundly self-centered person to be willing to go on national television and demand someone take responsibility. Most of us would consider Adams behavior as too embarsassing to indulge in.

That's why I stick to my assumption Adams has some kind of personality disorder. I was raised very poor, my father could not keep a job (another story), and my mother managed to feed us by procuring commodities and food stamps. All I wanted to do was get out of that and pay my own way.

There is something implied "wrong" with a person, a US citizen, with our past and present cultural influences, who does not seek independence and self support.

We seem to have a subculture of folks who feel entitled to BE supported, and as you said in your post, this subculture takes it's direction from misunderstanding of the "unfortunate" members of our society. That they are poor because "they can't help it".

There are genuine "poor because they can't help it". And there are plenty more who use this to get something for nothing.

To be able to discern the difference is not something government programs are able to do. So, we'll have the fake poor along with the genuine poor, the latter of which do need support.

 

[PeteyGirl]

PG I clipped your post only for space, I hope you don't mind. Yes I do think this is probably the issue. In fact, that was the first thing that came to my mind when I read her story. Personality disordered.

Not at all! I appreciate you use of my thoughts, period.

Yup. Short and sweet but exactly to the point HMS. That's why I really feel for these kids. They are between a rock and a hard place. They don't even have the intellectual or emotional maturity to understand that their Mother doesn't have their best interest at heart because she's too self focused and the hard place is that foster care is more than likely not going to keep them together as siblings, and they may or may not get a loving family. It's the roll of the dice. Bless their hearts!

I meant to say in my previous post that the real "victims" here are Adams' children, who do need support for basic necessities as their mother refuses to take responsibility and stop popping them out into a poverty and drug addiction infested family

This lack of simple respect for the lives and personhood of those children forces the public to respond and support them. I guess I'd be more willing to support the foster parents in their efforts to provide homes for these children than their wretched mother. Even if the children are not together. That is truly sad, but their parents created this dilemma, not the "state".

I wonder what kind of Christmas they will have this year, apart or together? I wonder what kind of Christmases they've had in the past? In spite of being split up (are they? not sure) at least they are getting fed, clothed, and paid attention to in the way they need and deserve.

 

[STEADFAST]

She lost custody of all the children before and then they were given back to her. Obviously, they need to be taken away again. She can't handle them, and she knows it. I agree that she has a personality disorder. How can the state know that 12 children are living with this mother in a motel room and not take them away again??

 

[Rayemonde]

May 2012:

A Florida woman who is eight months pregnant with her 16th child says that she is a victim of police brutality after officers used a Taser stun-gun on her.

Thirty-nine-year-old Angel Adams has been charged with battery on a law enforcement officer after Tampa police came to her home to speak to one of her sons.

A scuffle broke out inside Adams' house, during which she says a male police officer repeatedly Tasered her endangering her life and the life of her unborn child.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ting-SIXTEENTH-child-scuffle-inside-home.html

 

[Rayemonde]

Oct 2012:

Angel Adams, who at age 39 gave birth to her 16th child after her arrest for battery of a police officer in May, was spared a trial Monday and allowed to enter a pretrial intervention program.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...l-intervention-in-police-battery-case/1257776

 

[wendybtn]

May 2012:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ting-SIXTEENTH-child-scuffle-inside-home.html

So the court was correct, she was pregnant.

 

[wendybtn]

Oct 2012:



http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...l-intervention-in-police-battery-case/1257776

Caring for a newborn and on drugs? What hope is there for all these children?

 

[pappa rob]

Caring for a newborn and on drugs? What hope is there for all these children?

Somewhere in between nil to zip..

 

[katydid23]

This does make me angry. I don't believe that anyone should have 16 kids. Including wealthy people, religious people, whatever. NOBODY can truly care for and nurture that many children. It is selfish to keep having them. I'd like to hear from the teachers and see how the kids are doing in school? Are they completing homework, attending regularly, well nourished and rested? How does one possibly get 10 or more kids ready for school each day?

 

[buffetoflies]

May 2012:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ting-SIXTEENTH-child-scuffle-inside-home.html

darn didn't see the May 2012 thing and got all excited thinking it had taken her till 2016 to have that 16th child. Thought she might have some self control...