FL - Ibragim Todashev Shooting Incident, Orlando, 22 May 2013

[bessie]

I totally do not believe they wanted to take him out and maul him. NOt at all. I think they had been harassing him for weeks, they had at the start done all this "link to the Boston Bombers, they found nothing and had to state such.

So they start to release triple murder nonsense. After days hours they found nothing there. And I do not know about any of you , but I would be OVER the FBI trailing me, calling me, interupting my friends, basically stalking me for weeks.

bbm

Regarding the bolded statements, are there links to back this up? I haven't read every article on the subject, but I've been following the story, and I don't recall that LE stated there was no link to the bombers and nothing to connect IT to the Waltham triple murders. (JMO, but the investigation into the murders of three young men is hardly "nonsense".)

TIA!

 

[CARIIS]

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-09-12/news/mn-2238_1_fbi-agents

LA Times article dated September 12, 1989

FBI Director William S. Sessions said Monday he has ordered that new semiautomatic 10-millimeter handguns be issued to all of the bureau's 9,700 agents.

The more powerful handguns, which will have the capacity to fire rapidly at least 12 rounds without reloading, will replace the 6-shot revolvers that have been the standard weapon for FBI agents since the 1930s.

UGh, noone needs an auto weapon (it leads to stuff like this) having a chat with someone , charged with nothing, not under arrest in their home

As we all have learned risky stuff and a result we have a dead person

if the guy had a one shot thing maybe he would have survived

 

[tezi]

raised more questions than they answered.

Ugh if they just owned it it would be over , but we are the laughing stock now, the F B I cant figure out what made one of their agents kill an uncharged, innocent man in his home

yuk yuk

ughhhhhhhhhh

sad state of affairs

glad there are going to be a bunch of investigations, but that is gonna make us look dumber and IMO make people want to hurt us more

If the (?) agency can not identity the entity that resulted in one their own killing aperson ( he was someones son, brother, friend, colleage etc) to the world we look like idiots

I have been reading over there stuff but it got so festive on the other thread did not know if those were MSM - but boy - IMO we look like idiots on the world stage -

He may have been uncharged, but IMO, he was far from innocent.

Thank gawd that the second one I bolded is just your opinion, because I don't think we look like idiots, we look like we are doing a thorough investigation, as it should be.

BTW, what other thread are you talking about? And festive? This is festive to you? All righty then. Festive would be the last word any of us would use, in my mind.

JMO, IMO, :moo:, and all other disclaimers.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

UGh, noone needs an auto weapon (it leads to stuff like this) having a chat with someone , charged with nothing, not under arrest in their home

As we all have learned risky stuff and a result we have a dead person

if the guy had a one shot thing maybe he would have survived

No one needs an automatic weapon?
Seriously?
Did you read my link? Not just what I brought over, but what was written?

There is GREAT need for semi-automatic weapons.
The reasons why can be found at the links I've already provided.

And "we have a dead person" because he assaulted a federal agent. A big no no.

 

[4MYGUYS]

UGh, noone needs an auto weapon (it leads to stuff like this) having a chat with someone , charged with nothing, not under arrest in their home

As we all have learned risky stuff and a result we have a dead person

if the guy had a one shot thing maybe he would have survived

What's a "one shot thing"?

 

[Capri]

As for us "looking like idiots on the world's stage", that's just one opinion. Everyone doesn't feel that way.

 

[CARIIS]

He may have been uncharged, but IMO, he was far from innocent.

Thank gawd that the second one I bolded is just your opinion, because I don't think we look like idiots, we look like we are doing a thorough investigation, as it should be.

BTW, what other thread are you talking about? And festive? This is festive to you? All righty then. Festive would be the last word any of us would use, in my mind.

JMO, IMO, :moo:, and all other disclaimers.

Relax! We differ on perspective, its all good-----------chill!

 

[Just K]

It would be soooooooooooooooooooooooo appreciated if this thread can just be for updates and NEW MSM links that can be discussed <MODSNIP>

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...hootings/61DuyVBjEIqm37JcAeT5bL/comments.html

The FBI&#8217;s refusal to provide details of the Todashev case contrasts sharply with past shootings involving agents, including one 12 days before in Illinois. Within 24 hours, the FBI issued a press release saying agents shot and killed Tony Starnes, 45, when he allegedly rammed an agent&#8217;s vehicle with a stolen Honda Civic.

In May 2010, the FBI quickly reported that an agent shot and killed Ronald J. Bullock, a 61-year-old Army veteran from Hanson, at a military base in Tampa when he allegedly approached the agent with a knife.

A federal law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the FBI investigation said the Times account of the confrontation is accurate. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the case is still under investigation, cautioned that the Todashev case is different from past shootings, partly because there are fewer witnesses, only a State Police investigator and the injured FBI agent who shot Todashev.

 

[jjenny]

That's still two witnesses.

 

[claudicici]

Ok,so far this is what we got from MSM.
IT ,an unquestionable hot head with unquestionably violent tendencies in confrontations,was questioned and followed by the F.B.I. for quiet awhile.Aparently they could not find a connection between him and the bombings but he implicated himself to be invovled with the Waltham triple murder.How does that happen? What was he saying?
"Yeah Tam and I never talked about politics or religion but we did slash a couple of guys throats some years back" How would that even come up? IMO the F.B.I implicated him in those murders .So then what? They come by his apartement for a "final" interview and he agrees to sign a confession? "Sure I'll sign it,let me just grab a cigarette,knife,metal pole,decorative sword,table or broomstick..." So the officer texts the F.B.I. agent "be careful,he might assault you with this deadly unidentified object"?????
I don't know if I'm wearing "tin foil" to find the whole scenario a bit unbelievable I'd rather have a tin foil hat than a blind fold on. JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Thanx!

And then we I read that I see another blunder!

And like so much about this , I have tried to locate what really happened to the two guys that jumped the deceased to determine if all this alledged horrific damage was done. I cant find anything - so I assume no big deal as it relates to the fact that thsi was a fight, started by them wherein he responded.

Now, if we think about it , if some dude here in a huge mall down here is assualted to the degree alledged local news would have done a piece on it. Man in serious condition after altercation in The Florida Mall Parking Lot details after an hour commericials!

I kinda doubt that someone at that point who has been followed by the FBI, is being grilled etc etc is going to go start a physical altercation.

Again, I have been down there, it most certainly is not out of the realm that the other two guys started the fight! It has become a tough tough part of the city. When the mall was built it was not nearly as rough down there. Its tough down there!

Most dangerous streets in the city:
1
Hughey Avenue and Pine Street (59)

2
39th St and John Young Parkway (43)

3
Florida Mall Avenue and Summer Day Lane (17)

4Terminal A arrivals and Terminal A departures (14)

5International Drive and Oak Ridge Road (12

http://www.trulia.com/crime/Orlando,FL/




Orlando is estimated to have a population of about 2.22 million as of April 1, up from 2.13 million on April 1, 2010.
http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2012/04/03/orlando-population-no-3-in-state.html

So to put it in perspective there are two streets in a city of 2.2 millions that are more dangerous where the assualt took place - just ringrs true they started it IMO- if it were as bad as "Claimed" the survelance video from parking lot would have been a part of the story on a local news outlet.

What really happened is explained very plainly in the police report. An official document.
Why do you need an MSM article?
We know what happened and the outcome.
It is not "alleged horrific damage". It's CONFIRMED horrific damage as stated by the officer in his report.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...hootings/61DuyVBjEIqm37JcAeT5bL/comments.html

FBI quickly reported

Totally, IMO, this is all dancing around good find!

Common sense - that half a month is not needed -to determine what happened in a small controlled (obviously not sadly) place, obviously not in the dark, with a total of 5 human beings present.

Just silly that this investigation will takes months - they wanna know why someone ended up dead with an individual that at the point of his death was innocent.

Simple!

If someone you knew said the FBI is gonna interveiw me at 2, would your thought be well let me give you a hug goodbye cause I will never see you again . Come on!

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...hootings/61DuyVBjEIqm37JcAeT5bL/comments.html

Todashev case is different from past shootings, partly because there are fewer witnesses, only a State Police investigator and the injured FBI agent who shot Todashev.

Thats a good point - OR can be viewed should speed things up a bit!!

 

[CARIIS]

More from your Globe piece !


FBI tight-lipped on Todashev killing

“A reasonable person can draw inferences from the FBI’s silence that there was something highly irregular about the way this interrogation was done.”

“You can rest assured that the information is not flattering to the FBI; if it was flattering, they’d either release it or leak it,”

“If he was doing some sort of threatening act, then tell the public what it was. You just can’t shoot citizens or legal residents and say, ‘Oh, we killed him, but we’re not going to tell you why.’



If we accept that as Americans, what makes the FBI any better than the old KGB in Russia or any other totalitarian security force?”

the agency has barred the medical examiner’s office from saying how many times he was shot.



Yet more than two weeks after Todashev’s death, the agency has remained unclear about what led to the supposed confrontation and why the agent shot ....

Other state and county agencies have shed little light on the matter

The county medical examiner in Florida has refused to divulge the cause of death

Our doctor knows exactly what happened,

I want to know what their hesitation is,” said Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Michigan.



There needs to be an independent investigation

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...t-shootings/61DuyVBjEIqm37JcAeT5bL/story.html

 

[KarmaGet'em]

Ok,so far this is what we got from MSM.
IT ,an unquestionable hot head with unquestionably violent tendencies in confrontations,was questioned and followed by the F.B.I. for quiet awhile.Aparently they could not find a connection between him and the bombings but he implicated himself to be invovled with the Waltham triple murder.How does that happen? What was he saying?
"Yeah Tam and I never talked about politics or religion but we did slash a couple of guys throats some years back" How would that even come up? IMO the F.B.I implicated him in those murders .So then what? They come by his apartement for a "final" interview and he agrees to sign a confession? "Sure I'll sign it,let me just grab a cigarette,knife,metal pole,decorative sword,table or broomstick..." So the officer texts the F.B.I. agent "be careful,he might assault you with this deadly unidentified object"?????
I don't know if I'm wearing "tin foil" to find the whole scenario a bit unbelievable I'd rather have a tin foil hat than a blind fold on. JMO

To be sure, my eyes/ears are wide open and ready to analyze the facts as they are provided. We do not know the information the FBI had that led to an admission from IT. That is an open investigation. Perhaps if they divulged information from the shooting of IT it will expose information on the investigation of the triple murder that they do not want to be publicly available. Possibly, they have other suspects associated with the triple murder that have not been interviewed yet. Maybe IT gave them names. I don't know and neither do you. Let them do their job and wait. Their number one priority is not to satisfy your curiosity at the risk of compromising an open investigation. Their priority is to solve a murder of 3 people and protect from any possible terror threats.
Those tinfoil hats prevent people from seeing that not all government is corrupt and out to get you.

 

[Capri]

To be sure, my eyes/ears are wide open and ready to analyze the facts as they are provided. We do not know the information the FBI had that led to an admission from IT. That is an open investigation. Perhaps if they divulged information from the shooting of IT it will expose information on the investigation of the triple murder that they do not want to be publicly available. Possibly, they have other suspects associated with the triple murder that have not been interviewed yet. Maybe IT gave them names. I don't know and neither do you. Let them do their job and wait. Their number one priority is not to satisfy your curiosity at the risk of compromising an open investigation. Their priority is to solve a murder of 3 people and protect from any possible terror threats.
Those tinfoil hats prevent people from seeing that not all government is corrupt and out to get you.

A great reminder to keep it all in perspective. thx

 

[CARIIS]

bbm

Regarding the bolded statements, are there links to back this up? I haven't read every article on the subject, but I've been following the story, and I don't recall that LE stated there was no link to the bombers and nothing to connect IT to the Waltham triple murders. (JMO, but the investigation into the murders of three young men is hardly "nonsense".)

TIA!

Todashev was not suspected of involvement in the April 15 attacks at the finish line of the marathon that killed three and injured more than 260, according to NBC News

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...illed-florida-article-1.1351773#ixzz2VRG0XSq6



investigators are looking into the possible involvement of the accused Boston Marathon bombers
http://waltham.patch.com/topics/Waltham+Triple+Homicide

merlan Tsarnaev's Possible Involvement In Waltham Triple Murder Investigated
http://www.ibtimes.com/tamerlan-tsa...t-waltham-triple-murder-investigated-1207921#

question involvement in triple homicide
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...involvement-triple-homicide-article-1.1324160

Thus far, LE has not linked him,triple, in any manner - just checking him out before they killed him...no forensics -- nothing.

Old agage inn til proven......!

 

[CARIIS]

Could not have said it better:

So the officer texts the F.B.I. agent "be careful,he might assault you with this deadly unidentified object"?????
I don't know if I'm wearing "tin foil" to find the whole scenario a bit unbelievable I'd rather have a tin foil hat than a blind fold on. JMO

 

[CARIIS]

With 20 years clinical experience the first time I saw this I found it so sad
. Observing his vocal inflections, his eye movements, his pausing etc. etc. this is authentic information IMO.

His affect is congruent with the situation, he appears to want to answer the questions authentically.

IMO, THIS 7 minutes is truly what had been happening for these folks.
He is mad, sad, in shock feeling against.

Just sad………………….The final 10 seconds were really moving when he does not know he is on cam.

[video=youtube;MTC9J9qcI5k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC9J9qcI5k[/video]