FL - Ibragim Todashev Shooting Incident, Orlando, 22 May 2013

  • #41
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...t-shootings/61DuyVBjEIqm37JcAeT5bL/story.html

The Globe and others initially reported that Todashev had a knife and that he had been questioned about a 2011 triple slaying in Waltham.

A week later, on May 29, the Washington Post reported that Todashev was unarmed. The FBI issued another press release that day merely identifying Todashev and his address.

The county medical examiner in Florida has refused to divulge the cause of death at the FBI’s request, even though Todashev’s family has released photos of his bullet-riddled body to hold the FBI accountable.

Others say the FBI should be more forthcoming.

bbm, I wonder who others is.
Why not say, At the request of the FBI the ME can not release the autopsy report at this time.




http://orlandoweekly.com/news/will-...gation-of-ibragim-todashev-shooting-1.1500060

“The autopsy report has not yet been finalized and law enforcement has requested that the results not be released pending their investigation,” he said.

“He told me that he was so tired of it,” Taramov said. “The FBI asked him to come down to the office for the questioning, but he didn’t feel like going in, so he asked them to come to his home.”

Hassan Shibly, executive director for the Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Tampa, says that he learned through anonymous “intermediary” sources that Todashev was unarmed when he was shot.

Shibly confirmed there was a sword that hung on a wall at Todashev’s apartment, but he questions why the FBI wouldn’t remove it from the room during the five-hour questioning if they thought it was a threat.

bbm, So FBI wanted him to come to them and he was tired. And there was a sword in the apartment.


Manukyan and Todashev were married for three years. They lived in Boston, where she said Todashev knew Tsarnaev casually. She said they were never friends but that they “went to the same gym and text-messaged each other.”

bbm, Seriously does she not know the meaning of "friends".
 
  • #42
To be sure, my eyes/ears are wide open and ready to analyze the facts as they are provided. We do not know the information the FBI had that led to an admission from IT. That is an open investigation. Perhaps if they divulged information from the shooting of IT it will expose information on the investigation of the triple murder that they do not want to be publicly available. Possibly, they have other suspects associated with the triple murder that have not been interviewed yet. Maybe IT gave them names. I don't know and neither do you. Let them do their job and wait. Their number one priority is not to satisfy your curiosity at the risk of compromising an open investigation. Their priority is to solve a murder of 3 people and protect from any possible terror threats.
Those tinfoil hats prevent people from seeing that not all government is corrupt and out to get you.
that led to an admission from IT

that alledgely that led to an admission from IT

We have to wait for the investigation to confirm that any such thing happened. Do you have a link stating that they have this admission. We have hearsay but nothing more

not all government is corrupt and out to get you. The longer they keep handling this as they have the more the world is finding this more and more smelly
 
  • #43
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...t-shootings/61DuyVBjEIqm37JcAeT5bL/story.html

The Globe and others initially reported that Todashev had a knife and that he had been questioned about a 2011 triple slaying in Waltham.

A week later, on May 29, the Washington Post reported that Todashev was unarmed. The FBI issued another press release that day merely identifying Todashev and his address.

The county medical examiner in Florida has refused to divulge the cause of death at the FBI’s request, even though Todashev’s family has released photos of his bullet-riddled body to hold the FBI accountable.

Others say the FBI should be more forthcoming.

bbm, I wonder who others is.
Why not say, At the request of the FBI the ME can not release the autopsy report at this time.




http://orlandoweekly.com/news/will-...gation-of-ibragim-todashev-shooting-1.1500060

“The autopsy report has not yet been finalized and law enforcement has requested that the results not be released pending their investigation,” he said.

“He told me that he was so tired of it,” Taramov said. “The FBI asked him to come down to the office for the questioning, but he didn’t feel like going in, so he asked them to come to his home.”

Hassan Shibly, executive director for the Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Tampa, says that he learned through anonymous “intermediary” sources that Todashev was unarmed when he was shot.

Shibly confirmed there was a sword that hung on a wall at Todashev’s apartment, but he questions why the FBI wouldn’t remove it from the room during the five-hour questioning if they thought it was a threat.

bbm, So FBI wanted him to come to them and he was tired. And there was a sword in the apartment.


Manukyan and Todashev were married for three years. They lived in Boston, where she said Todashev knew Tsarnaev casually. She said they were never friends but that they “went to the same gym and text-messaged each other.”

bbm, Seriously does she not know the meaning of "friends".


an "acquaintance" is probably accurate IMO
they worked out a couple of times , talked when one athlete found out another hurt his knee
no evidence of anything meaningful, enduring etc acquaintance" no biggie imo
 
  • #44
I am going to start this post by saying what follows is my opinion so I don't have a link for it.

Last night, after going over some of the posts on this thread and the other thread on the bombings in Boston, I really got to thinking about something I really haven't seen discussed.

What about the FBI Agent who shot IT? You know, he's probably going through a lot of emotional turmoil right now, because he had to defend himself against IT, and IT ended up dying. I have a friend who is a detective, who had to defend himself against a suspect who charged him. He shot him, but thankfully, the suspect had the good sense to stay down after he was shot, so he wasn't killed. But, my detective friend went through a lot of stuff emotionally dealing with this. I can only imagine how much worse it is for an officer (used in the broadest sense of the word, meaning anyone local on up to the Federal level), that has had to kill someone in the line of duty. Not to mention all the speculation that this was just not justified.

On another subject, I am going to ask that complete sentences are posted from MSM links that are provided. <modsnip>
JMO, IMO, :moo:, and all other disclaimers.
 
  • #45
that led to an admission from IT

that alledgely that led to an admission from IT

We have to wait for the investigation to confirm that any such thing happened. Do you have a link stating that they have this admission. We have hearsay but nothing more

not all government is corrupt and out to get you. The longer they keep handling this as they have the more the world is finding this more and more smelly

Oh please. I was responding to a question posed by claudicici asking "Aparently they could not find a connection between him and the bombings but he implicated himself to be invovled with the Waltham triple murder.How does that happen? What was he saying?" I said "We don't know". You are taking it out of context.

The reason the "world is finding this more and more smelly" is because there are people not willing to wait for the facts and speculating about a corrupt government conspiracy. People cried conspiracy within HOURS of the Boston Bombing, as well as every other associated event. You can't tell me they got all the facts and have all the information they need to come to such a conclusion. Same goes for the shooting of IT. We don't know and I will wait.
 
  • #46
What's a "one shot thing"?
plane old gun why does one need a automatic with a human in the room -

he could have hurt a colleague with a gun you are stating one cannot control how bullets are flying all over the place , that in itself is a problem!
Bring the auto to football games, marathons etc

to a sole interview with collegues to chat.... a good ole revolver ought to be fine, maybe if he had one the deceased would not be so

No way on earth anyone would claim that 6 shots (who knows its all secret) are not needed to put a human being 6 foot under
 
  • #47
Oh please. I was responding to a question posed by claudicici asking "Aparently they could not find a connection between him and the bombings but he implicated himself to be invovled with the Waltham triple murder.How does that happen? What was he saying?" I said "We don't know". You are taking it out of context.

The reason the "world is finding this more and more smelly" is because there are people not willing to wait for the facts and speculating about a corrupt government conspiracy. People cried conspiracy within HOURS of the Boston Bombing, as well as every other associated event. You can't tell me they got all the facts and have all the information they need to come to such a conclusion. Same goes for the shooting of IT. We don't know and I will wait.
Most, find needing half a month to determine what your staff member did, when, why how with what ---takes most about 24 hours --

all other investigations take as long as needed (bombing)

to determine what happened in small room cant take half a month -- if so we are in trouble god forbid another big event happens
 
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  • #49
Ok,so far this is what we got from MSM.
IT ,an unquestionable hot head with unquestionably violent tendencies in confrontations,was questioned and followed by the F.B.I. for quiet awhile.Aparently they could not find a connection between him and the bombings but he implicated himself to be invovled with the Waltham triple murder.How does that happen? What was he saying?
"Yeah Tam and I never talked about politics or religion but we did slash a couple of guys throats some years back" How would that even come up? IMO the F.B.I implicated him in those murders .So then what? They come by his apartement for a "final" interview and he agrees to sign a confession?
"Sure I'll sign it,let me just grab a cigarette,knife,metal pole,decorative sword,table or broomstick..." So the officer texts the F.B.I. agent "be careful,he might assault you with this deadly unidentified object"?????
I don't know if I'm wearing "tin foil" to find the whole scenario a bit unbelievable I'd rather have a tin foil hat than a blind fold on. JMO

BBM

They had interviewed him for a couple of hours earlier that same day, and then they called him that afternoon to 'follow up.' That indicates, to me, that some of the info he gave them that morning did not hold up. So thAt would be a big problem for him in the afternoon interview. Especially if he was caught in a series of lies. And that is how someone folds and agrees to admit to a crime. When LE hammers them with their list of lies and they finally admit they lied about their alibi. That is my guess as to what happened that afternoon.

They reportedly followed this guy for a week or so. The FBI does not follow anyone around unless they have some evidence and the target is considered to be very dangerous. The FBI had reason to believe he was involved with these
murders or they would not be spending so much time and so many resources on him. JMO
 
  • #50
Most, find needing half a month to determine what your staff member did, when, why how with what ---takes most about 24 hours --

all other investigations take as long as needed (bombing)

to determine what happened in small room cant take half a month -- if so we are in trouble god forbid another big event happens

BBM

IMO, all these cases are intertwined. And because of that, they need to be investigated as such.
They know what happened in that small room. They just have not told you. And I'm OK with that. When the investigation is complete, the findings will be released.
:deadhorse:
 
  • #51
BBM

They had interviewed him for a couple of hours earlier that same day, and then they called him that afternoon to 'follow up.' That indicates, to me, that some of the info he gave them that morning did not hold up. So thAt would be a big problem for him in the afternoon interview. Especially if he was caught in a series of lies. And that is how someone folds and agrees to admit to a crime. When LE hammers them with their list of lies and they finally admit they lied about their alibi. That is my guess as to what happened that afternoon.

They reportedly followed this guy for a week or so. The FBI does not follow anyone around unless they have some evidence and the target is considered to be very dangerous. The FBI had reason to believe he was involved with these murders or they would not be spending so much time and so many resources on him. JMO

The media has reported that IT was being followed since just after the bombings and the triple murders didn't come up until the day of the shooting. There was no one there to represent Waltham police so did the FBI take over that case? It was reported that the MA troopers were there for inqueries related to the bombings.
 
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  • #53
plane old gun why does one need a automatic with a human in the room -

he could have hurt a colleague with a gun you are stating one cannot control how bullets are flying all over the place , that in itself is a problem!
Bring the auto to football games, marathons etc

to a sole interview with collegues to chat.... a good ole revolver ought to be fine, maybe if he had one the deceased would not be so

No way on earth anyone would claim that 6 shots (who knows its all secret) are not needed to put a human being 6 foot under

He has what is issued to him.
He's a federal agent.
 
  • #54
In May 1997, the FBI officially adopted the Glock .40 S&W pistol for general agent use and first issued it to New Agent Class 98-1 in October of 1997. Initially, Models 22 and 23 were issued. At present, the Model 23 &#8220;FG&R&#8221; (finger groove and rail) is the issue sidearm, allowing the agents to attach tactical lights to their pistols. The only personally owned handguns now on the approved list are the Glock 21 (full-size .45 ACP), the Glock 26 (sub-compact 9 mm) and the 27 (sub-compact .40 S&W). This cuts down somewhat on parts inventory at the Quantico gun vault and provides the agents with some variety in a system with which they are already familiar.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/history-of-fbi-handguns/
 
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  • #56
my goodness, it certianly feels like an agenda in here!


IMO, there is no way they weren't "friends" if they texted each other...I am willing to bet he had some knowledge and maybe some involvement or plans for future involvement - you just never know. If the FBI viewed him as a threat, so be it. and my goodness if I was wanted for questioning, I would not be playing hard ball with the FBI, my butt would be at the office clearing myself....but, gee, maybe he did have something to hide....

and if one can't see the necessary reasons why agents would need automatic weapons, well, I don't really know how to spell it out.
 
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maybe that is not the right word....just getting weird feelings in here.
 
  • #59
So his father said at one point Ibrahim was an exchange student in the US(2008?). True "exchange students" usually have host families that they live with. I know it was a few years ago, but I am wondering if we have heard from Todashev's host family? (Or possibly the father was using the term incorrectly) Certainly, after living with him for a school year (the usual) they would know something of his character.

One more question for those of you who have been watching the details from the beginning. Is the father a government official? If so, how could Todashev claim asylum in the US?

ETA: If this is a rehash of an already answered question, feel free to tell me. There are enough of those already on this thread :)
 
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