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How horrific. I walk my dog every day, and if I ever found a child's severed head, I'd be in therapy for life.

I have so many questions (of course!). The NY Post article says, "...a dog-walker stumbled on one of the luggage pieces and spotted a head inside."

But if you watch the video, the man who had been walking his dog says: "I had been walking past that for at least a week, that pile of dirt, for at least a week, before I even just, you know, went across my mind that I would check it."

Interviewer: "Was it buried?"

Man: "Yeah, yeah, it was buried pretty much, uh, you could just see like the very top of it sticking out of the dirt."

The article quotes the Police Chief as saying, "We don't know how long the juveniles had been at this location. It was some time."

Obviously, this case is brand new, so it's not surprising that things are confusing right now... but the article saying the man "stumbled on" the suitcase makes it sound spontaneous, whereas he's on camera saying he's been aware of that mound of dirt for at least a week. If he walks his dog in that area on a regular basis and has been seeing the dirt pile for at least a week, I'm wondering if the dog had been sniffing/pulling towards/showing interest in the dirt pile every day and it was only this particular day that the man "gave in" and unburied the suitcase enough to look inside. Or did the dog not alert to the dirt pile until this particular walk? And if that's so, why?

How did someone manage to bury bodies in these two presumably LARGE suitcases, since the children were estimated to be possibly as old as 13 and 14, without anyone noticing? This doesn't seem like a very isolated area, given that at least one man and his dog walk there on a regular basis. When were the suitcases buried? Did this man only start noticing the dirt pile about a week ago because that's when they were buried, or was it because A) that's when he started walking his dogs there, B) that's when the weather changed enough, or something else changed in the environment to make the dirt pile more noticeable, or C) some other reason? A quick online search shows that a week before the bodies were found, the weather in Cleveland was mid-20s and lightly snowing. It would have been quite difficult for someone to bury two large, heavy suitcases in those conditions. An online search also indicates that Cleveland has had an unusually snowy winter. So I wonder if perhaps the snow just recently melted, causing this dirt pile with the bit of the suitcase sticking out of it to become visible, and maybe the suitcase had been buried at least a couple months ago before the snow came.
I'm not so sure it was severed. I've only seen that said in a tabloid, likely for clicks. What is fact is the dog walker found the half buried suitcase, opened it, and saw the head of a young black child. That doesn't mean it was severed IMO. I know that if I opened a suitcase and saw a head as soon as I pulled it open, I wouldn't open it all the way to see what else was in there. I'd drop it closed with the quickness and back pedal as fast as I could. IMO the NYP took liberty with the wording.

IOW... if a child was stuffed into a suitcase head first, and I opened it and first saw a foot... I wouldn't assume it wasn't attached to the body. Simply said... it's all I saw at a glance. Until LE or the ME says their heads were severed... I'm going to assume they were not. JMO
 
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No matching missing persons reports is so dang sad. I hope these poor girls can be identified soon. ☹️

Maybe they were reported missing somewhere else?
Maybe a number of years ago perhaps hundreds of miles away.
It’s all so sad.
 
  • #25
How horrific. I walk my dog every day, and if I ever found a child's severed head, I'd be in therapy for life.
Well, we can put this clickbait to rest. The police chief told the news reporter that "their bodies were found intact".

 
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Maybe they were reported missing somewhere else?
Maybe a number of years ago perhaps hundreds of miles away.
It’s all so sad.
Perhaps. I had posted this above since they didn't match any local missing children cases.

Detectives are also checking with state and federal partners.
 
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Well, we can put this clickbait to rest. The police chief told the news reporter that "their bodies were found intact".


Thank you for clarifying/correcting this. My apologies for saying otherwise. I had misunderstood the wording in the article.
 
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The fact that they're related just breaks my heart. I mean, the odds of 2 sisters going missing at the same time is slim to none. Which means either these girls ran away together and got caught up with the wrong people... or the people that were supposed to protect these girls wound up hurting them instead.
 
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Thank you for clarifying/correcting this. My apologies for saying otherwise. I had misunderstood the wording in the article.
VERY easy to do since the (clickbait) MSM said "dog-walker spots severed head". Source was in the opening post of this thread and reposted several times.

I had a feeling it was exactly what I had posted upthread. He opened it, saw a head because that's what was closest to the suitcase opening, and then quickly closed it without looking further. It just makes me wonder if the MSM took liberties with the wording, or if they actually thought it had to be severed simply because it was stated that he saw a head?
 
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The fact that they're related just breaks my heart. I mean, the odds of 2 sisters going missing at the same time is slim to none. Which means either these girls ran away together and got caught up with the wrong people... or the people that were supposed to protect these girls wound up hurting them instead.
I'm going with the latter because if it was the former (ran away together)... where is the missing person's report?? Answer - There isn't one according to LE. So...
 
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I’m not sure if this is allowed, but Chris Stewart with Law & Crime on Youtube made a video about this case today and spoke with a retired detective:
 
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Im wondering if they did mitochondrial dna testing to see which parent they share
 
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I wonder how long the girls have been deceased. In order to fit into suitcases, they must’ve been incredibly small or already started decomposing elsewhere. In the video I posted above, Chris Stewart mentioned the recent Jaqueline Torres (spelling?) case, where a mother, aunt, and boyfriend hid the child’s body at the home for a year before dumping it behind an abandoned building in a storage container.

I’m sorry to be graphic, but I’m curious if anyone here knows the answer. How long does it take for skin/tissue to fully decompose and a body to become skeletal? I find it interesting there’s a large gap in their estimated ages, but they were able to determine race so quickly. From my understanding, if remains are skeletal, testing is used to determine race. I imagine if there was enough tissue left to determine race immediately then the timeline around their deaths should be easier to determine; it should also explain if the girls have been there since their deaths, or if their remains have been moved at some point. I could be completely wrong though.

JMO
 
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A dog walker tipped police to the discovery after seeing a head in a half buried suitcase while attempting to get a dog away from it.
Oh wow
Fom the article - no reports of missing children in the area 😕. Don’t like what that could mean
Hope they find whose responsible

Moo
 
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Looks like their bodies weren't right next to each other. The video below pans from the flags on the right to the single one on the left.

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I’m not sure if this is allowed, but Chris Stewart with Law & Crime on Youtube made a video about this case today and spoke with a retired detective:
This is likely unimportant, but I keep hearing and reading that their ages are between X and a half and X. That "and a half" was said for both of them. Why not just between 8-10 or whatever. How do they determine ~6 months in their estimation? It just seems odd to me.
 

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