FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #11

[marable]

RD,

David Siegal(sp?) the man who owned Westgate Resorts where Jennifer worked was building a rather large mansion in Windmere(Versailles) at the time of Jennifer's disappearance....

Windmere is only about ten miles I believe from The Mosaic where Jennifer lived , perhaps she did shop near Windmere....

 

[rd_jfc]

RD,

David Siegal(sp?) the man who owned Westgate Resorts where Jennifer worked was building a rather large mansion in Windmere(Versailles) at the time of Jennifer's disappearance....

Windmere is only about ten miles I believe from The Mosaic where Jennifer lived , perhaps she did shop near Windmere....

I didn't see anything on the map where Conroy enters Windermere. I didn't follow Conroy on the map looking for retail stores but didn't look like anything close to Windermere. And you would have to pass everything that surrounds Millenia to start driving out there.

I don't get it.

 

[marable]

It looks like Conroy becomes Conroy Windmere Road once it crosses So. Apopka Vineland Road on Google Maps.....Am I not looking in the right place, I am awful with maps.....

 

[rd_jfc]

It looks like Conroy becomes Conroy Windmere Road once it crosses So. Apopka Vineland Road on Google Maps.....Am I not looking in the right place, I am awful with maps.....

No you're right. Conroy changes names when it enters city of Windermere. That's common. I'm just saying I see nothing that would entice passing everything around Millenia Mall to drive to Windermere for any reason concerning retail, because I don't see much of anything there circa 2016. And I seriously doubt there was much of anything there in 2006.

 

[marable]

Perhaps she preferred a smaller area to shop.....I know that I do...I despise going to malls and will drive out of my way to a smaller city to shop.....Why Jennifer preferred Windmere I have no idea , Drew stated on an interview that I listened to that she shopped for groceries in Windmere and used a dry cleaners there which is less than ten miles from the Mosaic....

 

[rd_jfc]

Perhaps she preferred a smaller area to shop.....I know that I do...I despise going to malls and will drive out of my way to a smaller city to shop.....Why Jennifer preferred Windmere I have no idea , Drew stated on an interview that I listened to that she shopped for groceries in Windmere and used a dry cleaners there which is less than ten miles from the Mosaic....

Thanks for the info. Yes, I can see her going for those two things, supermarket and dry cleaning. It is obviously a very nice little place but not much there.

I want to emphasize that I was talking about all the retail in the Millenia Mall area that we would drive past, not in the mall.

In any event, this would not be something she would be driving to at 10 that Monday night imo for any reason that we would be able to fathom.

 

[marable]

RD,

I don't think she would just hang up with Rob, jump in the car and head out to Windmere of all places either....Drew seemed surprised that the FBI and OPD had not conducted searches in Windmere since Jennifer spent time there....

Since she did frequent Windmere one would hope that the key/fob/mace that was found there by the walkers was investigated by OPD....How difficult would it be for them to check the key to see if it fit anything belonging to Jennifer? I don't know if fingerprints would still be on these items after being outside for nearly two years or not, surely they were checked.....

Perhaps someone from Windmere was stalking her ....

 

[rd_jfc]

RD,

I don't think she would just hang up with Rob, jump in the car and head out to Windmere of all places either....Drew seemed surprised that the FBI and OPD had not conducted searches in Windmere since Jennifer spent time there....

Since she did frequent Windmere one would hope that the key/fob/mace that was found there by the walkers was investigated by OPD....How difficult would it be for them to check the key to see if it fit anything belonging to Jennifer? I don't know if fingerprints would still be on these items after being outside for nearly two years or not, surely they were checked.....

Perhaps someone from Windmere was stalking her ....

You just threw me with the key/fob/mace found comment. I first saw reference to the Windermere key fob that looked like Jennifer's here recently. I posted some questions about it just to think about. But I didn't see a reference to key(s) found with it. I did a search and we know what site the info came from, search shows a reference but that page is a casino ad now. The other references are here on WS. The only poster I can find mentioning it is you, marable. Of course most stuff is lost to the search engines over time. I'm lucky to find anything these days.

If there actually was a keys or keys on the key fob, then that would be an entirely different matter. Of course the key or keys can be identified as for her car or condo etc. and the key fob ruled in or out as hers. I thought the talk was of a bare key fob that looked like hers and therefore could have been hers, etc.

Note also that her car keys would have been on it and the car was being driven, so any talk of this being her key fob would by necessity be from after the fact.

Since you're one of the few with any organizational memory about this, can you specify what is said to have been found? I have seen key fob, key fob/mace, and key/key fob/mace in past few days.

thanks for your thoughts

 

[rd_jfc]

In doing a search just now, I scanned through Jennifer Kesse's Wikipedia page. I have many years ago accepted that my work showing a thigh holster and back of a bike helmet and additional gear on back and bike shoes would not be acknowledged by authorities, therefore officially ignored. So be it. It's pretty much in line with the rest of their work on this case. But was amused to see an entry in Wikipedia specifically say the POI walked away from parking the car and never looked back.

I of course had found and notified Orlando Police back in 2007 that the POI did in fact stop and look back in image 3 of the POI stills. It was assumed that the POI was obscured by the tree as he was by fenceposts in the first two stills, but in looking for details in still 3 I found his face looking back from beside the tree. I have it isolated and posted in my Blowups page.

It obviously hasn't made a whit of difference which is why I just let the images stay up there for last nine years and not spend any more time on it. I shot a good portion of my spare time in 2007 on it as it is.

I'm glad I spent some time on it recently, especially to demonstrate what the washed out images from UV light look like, as in the POI stills. I've learned some stuff that was valuable about the cell phones being powered off at 10:40, but that's just me being a few years behind. So thanks for keeping Jennifer's case out there.

 

[marable]

RD,

Look on Blinks site , there is a picture of the mailbox key, mace that I think that the walkers in Windmere found that possibly belongs to Jennifer.....I know, that you probably do not care for Blink as a lot of others on here but I think she has access to a lot of information from detectives working on Jennifer's case as well as other cases that she discusses....I have also found a reference somewhere else about these items , cannot find it right now but supposedly the key was broken....

Would she have needed a car key on her key ring since her car was one of those keyless locks with the keypad to access it? Not sure if the car had a keyless ignition switch or not....I know for my keyless ignition switch I just carry the fob in my purse and not carry it on my keyring....

 

[rd_jfc]

RD,

Look on Blinks site , there is a picture of the mailbox key, mace that I think that the walkers in Windmere found that possibly belongs to Jennifer.....I know, that you probably do not care for Blink as a lot of others on here but I think she has access to a lot of information from detectives working on Jennifer's case as well as other cases that she discusses....I have also found a reference somewhere else about these items , cannot find it right now but supposedly the key was broken....

Would she have needed a car key on her key ring since her car was one of those keyless locks with the keypad to access it? Not sure if the car had a keyless ignition switch or not....I know for my keyless ignition switch I just carry the fob in my purse and not carry it on my keyring....

I don't have any personal feelings about her one way or the other. It's both a competitive business and a small world. All I know is we were going to have a PI take on the case and that came to a screeching halt before it started due to complaints.

Mailbox key, mace, and fob? That's pretty convenient. No other keys but a mailbox key left on it? I take it a mailbox key is so universal that it could be for any mailbox so no one would be able to tell if it was for Jennifer's complex.

Whether there were carkeys or not, there would be door keys to her condo to go with that mailbox key. Why would anyone think she would be in a position to toss her key fob out a car window anyway? If she could do that she's use the mace. And she isn't going to be sitting there anyway, as in don't move and you won't get hurt.

Was the picture of what was actually found or an example?

 

[marable]

RD,

I am not quiet sure whether the picture was actually what was found or not.....In reading on Blink , she did discuss these items with the people who found them....I don't know how common the mace in the leather pouch is , mine is not in a leather pouch.....I went the economy route....The mailbox key would be fairly common I suppose....I have read somewhere that Jennifer had a mailbox key that was broken, I think I am correct about that....

You are right, why would Jennifer pitch these things out the window if she could just use the mace spray.....I don't have an answer.....If these items did belong to her and she were driving, it might have been easier to pitch them out than to try to use the spray.....Just trying to think of different theories....The mace cannister would have been the one thing that she could have thrown out in Windmere that her father would have recognized as possibly belonging to her.....

 

[rd_jfc]

I gave this some more thought. There's an important distinction now that we know that police have ping information from 10 pm to 10:40 pm when the cell phones are powered off and no more ping information.

Any drive of 10 miles would require tower handovers that indicate at a minimum the last tower location when communications were lost with the cell phones. It is inconceivable to me that the police know that she drove 10 miles west and the phones go dead without that being a major factor in their response.

My thought after finding out that the cell phones were powered off at 10:40 pm was that the cell phones were in or within a mile and a half of her condo and the same cell tower(s) were involved, thus not knowing for sure whether she drove a short distance, such as to the mall parking lot.

On the other hand, there was some relayed comment about not being able to be in two places at once, which indicated to me there was a tower switch to another tower and back relatively quickly, which is made more likely by moving the cell phone say in a short drive.

The fact that LE has ping information enough to know the phones went dead at same time at 10:40 pm narrows what could have happened down a great deal. It certainly rules out a 10 mile drive away from her home before being abducted. Of course there is some thought expressed that the abductor drove her to this location where the key fob was found, I understand that.

 

[marable]

If you take into account that the phones were possibly turned off and /or the batteries removed around 10:40 on Monday night which according to her parents NEVER had happened before , don't you think that based on this that she was more likely to have disappeared sometime during the night instead of the next morning on her way to work? There would have been more people moving about at the Mosaic Tuesday morning getting ready for work or already working....Blink says that no one can account for Jennifer's car after 6:30 am.....Could she have been held hostage in her apartment or in an empty apartment and taken out in the early morning hours?

Early on there was some discussion that Jennifer's car was recorded by a video camera at a 7-11 on John Young Parkway after 10 pm ....I never read anything about OPD being able to tell via that video whether it could have been Jennifer or a man driving the car.....There have been several searches along John Young over the years, something has caused OPD to pay a lot of attention to that area....

 

[rd_jfc]

If you take into account that the phones were possibly turned off and /or the batteries removed around 10:40 on Monday night which according to her parents NEVER had happened before , don't you think that based on this that she was more likely to have disappeared sometime during the night instead of the next morning on her way to work? There would have been more people moving about at the Mosaic Tuesday morning getting ready for work or already working....Blink says that no one can account for Jennifer's car after 6:30 am.....Could she have been held hostage in her apartment or in an empty apartment and taken out in the early morning hours?

Early on there was some discussion that Jennifer's car was recorded by a video camera at a 7-11 on John Young Parkway after 10 pm ....I never read anything about OPD being able to tell via that video whether it could have been Jennifer or a man driving the car.....There have been several searches along John Young over the years, something has caused OPD to pay a lot of attention to that area....

yes, I don't see how someone can say both that the cell phones were powered off at 10:40 pm (and never turned on again and no one notified by land line that her cell phone wasn't working), and that Jennifer was going out to her car to go to work the next morning.

Basically it's pretty much not possible.

 

[marable]

RD,

If we entertain the idea that the phones were turned off or batteries removed on Monday night , would it not be reasonable to think that someone had gained entry into her apartment and did whatever they did there and then take her from her home sometime during the night? Since we are speculating along these lines, could the responsible party in Jennifers abduction/disappearance have perhaps returned to her apartment after disposing of her to clean up and then perhaps go to work?

 

[rd_jfc]

RD,

If we entertain the idea that the phones were turned off or batteries removed on Monday night , would it not be reasonable to think that someone had gained entry into her apartment and did whatever they did there and then take her from her home sometime during the night? Since we are speculating along these lines, could the responsible party in Jennifers abduction/disappearance have perhaps returned to her apartment after disposing of her to clean up and then perhaps go to work?

That's what I would expect to be a widely held view if have to deal with cell phones powered off at 10:40 pm.

But imo I would not think there is much possibility of this.

The assailant would have to check her belongings for any cell phones, gather them together, and power them off at same time. This could only be as a basis for taking them with Jennifer, all planned ahead.

The assailant would at some point remove Jennifer and items that she would normally take with her as in staging a disappearance. The friend's cell phone left behind would presumably be in one of those items, found, powered off at same time as her cell phone, and returned to the items taken with her.

Her cell phone would have to switch to another tower and back even though it's not moving in a car, to give some basis for the "can't be in two places at once" comment. This would be unusual to happen at this time sitting in her condo.

All of this would have to take place with no visible disturbance (e.g. nothing broken) having taken place during the abduction.

That's a very planned, very professional disappearance job. I suppose it's possible. But we have to set up this professional disappearance job meant to portray Jennifer as she would appear going to work because for no basis at all her loved ones don't believe she would take the phone anywhere for any reason after she hung up with Rob.

All indications are she did go out and drive a short distance to take the phone somewhere.

 

[shelly111]

Both possibilities could have happened.
If Jennifer kidnapped at home at night or Jennifer drove somewhere at night and was kidnapped somewhere else.
I believe, because of lack of evidence
and no one remember seeing her car in the morning, the abduction happaned outside the apt complex. Most likely at night .
If it happened in the morning,when Jennifer arrived at work ,she came earlier than usual, people didn't arrive yet, she drove to a different location and parked in a different building to mail the phone .
Or she could have stopped before entering the gate and was forced to drive away.

 

[marable]

I think it happened at night as well, less people moving around the Mosaic complex.....

I suspect that Jennifer had placed the phone that she was going to mail from Westgate in her briefcase or bag the night before....She would have kept her phone in or near her bed as she used it as an alarm clock....If the POI gained entry into her apartment while she were sleeping, he probably would have noticed her phone near by......

I wonder if she were notified at work on Monday that Travis phone was accidentially left at her apartment, could a coworker have heard her on the phone discussing it? The ex would probably have known about the phone being left there....So , at least two possible suspects knew that there two cell phones at Jennifer's apartment....With both phones being turned off and or the batteries removed it would seem that someone knew about that second phone being there....

 

[shelly111]

Jennifer was self conscious ,made safe phone and carry pepper spray as we know it was not enough.
usually stalkers and serial killers will not break into a home if other people live there.
They are looking for women living alone.
If the keys were replaced by new keys , it wouldn't be so easy to get in.
Maybe he knew someone who rent the apt before Jennifer moved in, maybe he stayed there as a guest for few days and There was master key machine in the office.
A worker in the complex , an office worker, a delivery man,all could have taken the key and made a copy.