FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #11

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  • #1,121
Agreed . Rob and her parents / brother knew her pretty well. If they say she was very structured and wouldn't go off exhausted in the middle of the night to return a dumb phone I believe them . Even FedEx express had been picked up so there was no point .

Does anyone know what time the disgruntled co worker was arrested and released ? Seems like an obvious attempt at an alibi . How often do people lose their minds enough on a simple traffic stop to get arrested ? .0009% ??


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Texas T ,

The coworker was arrested when he tore his ticket up for speeding, in the officers face on Jan. 16 th instead of the 24th like we were told on the Disappeared program....If you dig hard enough you can find on line a copy of that report with a picture of him ...
 
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What I want to say in my previous post, most likely Jennifer was abducted at night,but it is also possible she was abducted in the morning.
There are many reasons why the two phones were shutt off after 10pm.
Before sleeping she took the friend phone turned it off and put it in her briefcase not to forget it in the morning.
She also turned off her phone before charging it. She was very tired and want to make sure it is off so she could sleep without interruption.
For whatever reason the phone didn't charge at night,it got disconnected,unplugged
the wire was broken ...and the phone was still dead in the morning.

Her parents stated that she had NEVER turned her phone off in all of the years that she had had a phone I believe at age 16.

She also used that cellphone as an alarm clock...
 
  • #1,123
You are cherry picking for your theory the phones powering off doesn't prove she was abducted at night . You are dismissing the wet towel and missing pumps and briefcase....don't they prove she was abducted in the morning?

We all have our guesses but that's what they are unfortunately.

Some on here at WS have done some unscientific studies on how long their shower stayed wet after use(they lived in FL).....If she took a shower around 6 am or 7 am that would have been about six or seven hours that the shower stayed wet before her brother arrived at 1pm....Her parents arrived around 2-3 pm....I don't know if Logan noted the wet shower or not when he arrived before her parents....I can see the towel being damp when they arrived...

I live in hot, humid GA and my shower is completely dry in less than four hours after use in Jan....

Jennifer wore flip flops to and from the car....whether she carried her favorite pumps into her condo each evening I don't know, she could have left them in her car for all that I know...
 
  • #1,124
A couple walking in Windmere did find a key, fob, mace as they were taking a walk....The mace and holder per Drew looked exactly like the one's he bought for Jennifer, her friends , his wife and himself.....I don't think that anyone has ever stated it was definitely Jennifers but that it was very likely that it did belong to her....There is a discussion on Blink on Crime about these items...

Could Jennifer have been taken to somewhere in Windmere the Monday night or Tuesday morning and threw the keys, fob and mace out the window as a signal to her father since he had bought the mace and leather pouch it went in for her?

Jennifer per her father bought her groceries, used a dry cleaner there and did other shopping and dining in Windmere which I think around 10 miles from her condo....
 
  • #1,125
How often do people power off phones?

How often do people remove batteries?

Why power off a phone and remove a battery?

One good reason could be because you just murdered someone.

I'm just questioning aloud.

There is an answer to this mystery and it is probably hidden in plain sight.

I stay with a worker as the perpetrator and I still want to know who had master keys.

And didn't Jennifer have someone knock on her condo door, late at night, prior to her abduction?
 
  • #1,126
Sorry rd_jfc I missed you enlightening post above.

I was thinking...........a great deal happened between 9.57pm when the phone call to Rob Allen finished and the phones being 'powered off' at 10:40pm.

Is it likely Jennifer was deceased by 10:40?
 
  • #1,127
Ima just trying to think about different possibilities.
We assume the batteries were removed but we don't know for sure.
Maybe Jennifer turned off the phone so it will charge fast ? making sure it will be fully charged in the morning.
 
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I agree if jennifer used the phone as an alarm she wouldn't powered it off.
After talking to Robb she powered off the phone so it will charge fast . she was going to turn it on later but maybe she fell asleep until the morning.
We know she was after a trip and drove 3 hours in the morning before work so she was very tired at night.
 
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Ima just trying to think about different possibilities.
We assume the batteries were removed but we don't know for sure.
Maybe Jennifer turned off the phone so it will charge fast ? making sure it will be fully charged in the morning.
Battery removal is irrelevant, phones can't Ping that are shut off so it dosent matter . Unless the batteries were found in the condo and processed for DNA we're wasting energy on the Battery business .


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Texas T ,

The coworker was arrested when he tore his ticket up for speeding, in the officers face on Jan. 16 th instead of the 24th like we were told on the Disappeared program....If you dig hard enough you can find on line a copy of that report with a picture of him ...

Thank you for clearing that up . So where was he 1/25 10:30- 1/26 when he arrived at work ?


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Are we even sure the phone last pinged or the phone was powered off at 10:40pm.

I remember how surprised I was when it was stated that Jennifer went out after that last phone call with Rob Allen.
It was assumed years ago she turned out the light and went to sleep.
She was, after all, quite tired after a long day.

Did she actually leave her condo that night?
 
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Battery removal is irrelevant, phones can't Ping that are shut off so it dosent matter . Unless the batteries were found in the condo and processed for DNA we're wasting energy on the Battery business .


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I agree with the sentiment, the only reason it's mentioned is that the police told Drew the phones were manually powered down at 10:40 pm and presumably batteries removed. The police would say this because the phone companies told them this. As I said earlier I don't know the basis for this, it is reasonable that there is a signal sent went powering down. I can only guess that there is something missing that indicates batteries were removed instead of using the power off button.

It was more than sufficient to me that both phones were powered off together. However. removing the batteries to do it shows an act of abduction, pure and simple.
 
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Sorry rd_jfc I missed you enlightening post above.

I was thinking...........a great deal happened between 9.57pm when the phone call to Rob Allen finished and the phones being 'powered off' at 10:40pm.

Is it likely Jennifer was deceased by 10:40?

It is extremely unlikely. The phones wre disabled to prevent ping tracking the movement of the vehicle. For loved ones sake, we can hope she still isn't deceased.

I agree with you, myserty. It appears a great deal happened in that time.
 
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Are we even sure the phone last pinged or the phone was powered off at 10:40pm.

I remember how surprised I was when it was stated that Jennifer went out after that last phone call with Rob Allen.
It was assumed years ago she turned out the light and went to sleep.
She was, after all, quite tired after a long day.

Did she actually leave her condo that night?

Prior to 10:40 pm there was tracking of the phones on multiple towers at around same time. This indicates the phones were moving and switching control from one tower to another and back, but not moving ar enough to show a pattern of different towers taking control. This would be within a mile and a half or so.

Powering off the phones by removing the batteries shows an abduction, likely outside the home, by a non-neophyte assailant (i..e., not a crime of passion). It could be possible to search the home, find all phones, remove their batteries, and bring them with an abduction victim but I wouldn't put much odds on it.

It is what an assailant would do when abducting a victim in their car and driving off in it. It is critical to completely disable (i.e. not accidentally put in something like sleep mode) all cell phones in the car. At least circa 2006. I imagine it is much more difficult to keep a car from being tracked circa 2016.
 
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Did she have a back door? I know the front was locked, but they could have come in or gone out the back door with her. Did she have a place to take out trash? If so, she could have been attacked out side at night, and forced back in. Just some thoughts.
 
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Another thought, did bf or family know when she usually took her shower? I get mine in the morning, but my sister likes to shower at night and just get out the door in the am.
 
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I still lean toward something happening that night if both phones went offline at the same time. What probably muddies the water here is that LE is stating they believe she left for work that morning at 8 AM.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...r-kesse-missing-cold-case-20160122-story.html

I know we need to qualify that with the facts that LE usually knows more than we do - holding back info only the criminal would know - and they do purposely use misleading info in an attempt to trip up the criminal.
 
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I agree with the sentiment, the only reason it's mentioned is that the police told Drew the phones were manually powered down at 10:40 pm and presumably batteries removed. The police would say this because the phone companies told them this. As I said earlier I don't know the basis for this, it is reasonable that there is a signal sent went powering down. I can only guess that there is something missing that indicates batteries were removed instead of using the power off button.

It was more than sufficient to me that both phones were powered off together. However. removing the batteries to do it shows an act of abduction, pure and simple.

Spreading rumors in a convoluted case doesn't help.

We know from technology experts it's a FACT no way to tell if / when batteries were removed from a device and it dosent matter . Few Facts are known in this case be nice to eliminate one .

Not sure what devise or provider she had but remember iPhone didn't come out til over a year after this disappearence .

Providers have different Info far as pings and pinging between two towers dosent mean they were " on the move ". And accuracy 11 years ago was not as good as today .
 
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Spreading rumors in a convoluted case doesn't help.

We know from technology experts it's a FACT no way to tell if / when batteries were removed from a device and it dosent matter . Few Facts are known in this case be nice to eliminate one .

Not sure what devise or provider she had but remember iPhone didn't come out til over a year after this disappearence .

Providers have different Info far as pings and pinging between two towers dosent mean they were " on the move ". And accuracy 11 years ago was not as good as today .

Here's what I wrote:
"The police told Drew the phones were manually powered down at 10:40 pm and presumably batteries removed. The police would say this because the phone companies told them this. As I said earlier I don't know the basis for this, it is reasonable that there is a signal sent went powering down. I can only guess that there is something missing that indicates batteries were removed instead of using the power off button."

No amount of conjuring can make a rumor out of that. I can only guess that there is something missing that indicates batteries removed instead of using the power off button is not a rumor, it's a declared guess explanation. If it was truly that difficult to understand I would do more research and post it but it's not that difficult to understand.

The traffic to cell phone towers are not just pings, they are the entirety of all signals between the phone and towers, including the digitized audible of phone calls. I would expect there is a disconnect sequence sent from a phone during power off. As I said, I don't know this but I said it's reasonable to think there is something missing when the traffic stops that lets the analyst looking at the data determine that power ended abruptly versus going through a power off sequence with the shutdown button.

Pinging is just location of towers. It is not GPS or pseudo GPS locating of the device, so the lesser technology accuracy issues of locating the precise location of the device are not relevant. I don't know what provider(s) the phones had, but it would be the providers who gave this information to the police. I didn't know, and of course I posted about it, whether there was any ping data. I am certainly glad there was.

In any event, what was relayed to Drew who relayed via post is not a rumor, and presumably batteries removed is what he was told. I have said twice in past few days that I don't know the basis for it, that phones don't ping when powered off, you can check my posts above. But I can say that I can guess there's something missing in the interchanges to base it on without it being called a rumor. Such an ugly word.

I'm a career programmer and spent the 80's writing low level code. I was one of the original PC telephony programmers in '84, working for a startup that became a large company, writing and installing systems such as an emergency notification system for nuclear plants, absentee notification systems for large school systems, and install notification systems for Cablevision up and down east coast. I wrote device drivers for all existing scanners after that, and other imaging analysis. And I've been programming for Fortune 500's since then. My guesses are informed guesses.

I have also written a true crime book and been at this a long time, and not fond of serious crime work being muddied up with rumors. So I understand your concern, but you really need more work on identifying rumors.

rd
 
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Thank you for clearing that up . So where was he 1/25 10:30- 1/26 when he arrived at work ?


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Right, where was he on the 24th when he showed up late for work in an agitated state? I would love to know to...
 
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