FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #11

[hec60504]

I think if she was indeed abducted, it had to have occurred at night - and, with that long straight set of stairs leading to her condo, I'm not convinced it would have been at the condo itself (it would be really risky for a POI to try and take someone like Jennifer down those stairs - she was tall, and appeared to be athletic - I'm sure she could put up some kind of fight). I'm thinking it was by her car, or if she'd gone back out. If she was abducted in the morning, I think it would have to have been by someone she knows well, whom she trusted. I agree that this was well-planned; they knew her routine extremely well, which makes me think it's someone who was close to her. I too think that whomever dropped off the car did so at a very planned time, and most likely avoided her condor because they saw people there looking for Jennifer. So, do we think that the POI driving her vehicle had long hair, maybe tucked up into a hat or bike helmet? Maybe their bike was parked near where the vehicle was dropped off...

 

[Bootsctr]

I think if she was indeed abducted, it had to have occurred at night - and, with that long straight set of stairs leading to her condo, I'm not convinced it would have been at the condo itself (it would be really risky for a POI to try and take someone like Jennifer down those stairs - she was tall, and appeared to be athletic - I'm sure she could put up some kind of fight). I'm thinking it was by her car, or if she'd gone back out. If she was abducted in the morning, I think it would have to have been by someone she knows well, whom she trusted. I agree that this was well-planned; they knew her routine extremely well, which makes me think it's someone who was close to her. I too think that whomever dropped off the car did so at a very planned time, and most likely avoided her condor because they saw people there looking for Jennifer. So, do we think that the POI driving her vehicle had long hair, maybe tucked up into a hat or bike helmet? Maybe their bike was parked near where the vehicle was dropped off...

I think there is debate as to whether the POI was wearing long hair in a bun versus helmet.

My thoughts exactly regarding perp caught on camera walking very fast to his bike. Good point about the POI avoiding the condo because of people searching for her.

 

[rd_jfc]

I think there is debate as to whether the POI was wearing long hair in a bun versus helmet.

My thoughts exactly regarding perp caught on camera walking very fast to his bike. Good point about the POI avoiding the condo because of people searching for her.

Because of this renewed discussion, I have been taking a hard look at the pictures again tonight, particulary the head and hip / thigh area with the webbing. Been many years, too long.

Still 2 is the one with the profile angle that lets us see this stuff in relief. For the head, it's really the top that gives away that it's a bike helmet. Follow the top from the fence post back. It rises from the fence post, arcs, then drops suddenly and levels out, rising a little again. This patterns are so sharp and regular and in the shape of the top of many bike helmets that it's a little difficult to see hair doing that. The best relief pattern is below the picture of the hand holding an X26 in my lineup of enlargements.

The actual back that would be the bun is not as sharp in that picture, but there are others on the page that show the back of the bun does that distinctive double hump of the back of many bike helmets, then diagonals from there back down to the neck. That alone wouldn't firmly indicate bike helmet, but the entire pattern from the front of the top all the way around and back down to the neck is a solid bike helmet pattern.

The other thing I'm looking at is the sideways < shaped web strapping to the solid holster shaped object on his side hip to upper thigh. The upper part of the < actually goes to right above the top of the holster, the lower to the middle. I have looked yet again at many many holsters and have yet to find that sideways V web strand in a picture. I probably should have been looking throughout the years but I thought someone in that line of equipment would recognize it. Didn't happen. I'll look some more.

 

[Myserty64]

I had another look at the Disappeared show titled Girl Interrupted. (Jennifer Kesse)

In the police evidence room there were seven binders and a box (murder book?) with JK's name on them.
That is a lot of information.

The box had this written on it:

"Files from statewide prosecutor......copies."

Surely there must be suspects names amongst this stuff.

 

[Skully]

Did she come home from her trip and then go straight to work that morning? then come home and that night she was abducted. If I went on a trip, I would have luggage, or an over night bag of some kind, dirty cloths and personal items. We they still unpacked or was her luggage put away? Did she stop by her condo on the way to work and do that, put cloths in laundry? Or did she do that when she got home from work? Where the cloths on the bed, maybe cloths she washed after her trip, and she was putting them away? IDK, not that I expect someone to know, just things I think about. It doesn't help solve the case, only knowing who knew that she was home from a trip and got into her place and took her. Or waited outside, knowing she was coming to that car.

 

[rd_jfc]

Did she come home from her trip and then go straight to work that morning? then come home and that night she was abducted. If I went on a trip, I would have luggage, or an over night bag of some kind, dirty cloths and personal items. We they still unpacked or was her luggage put away? Did she stop by her condo on the way to work and do that, put cloths in laundry? Or did she do that when she got home from work? Where the cloths on the bed, maybe cloths she washed after her trip, and she was putting them away? IDK, not that I expect someone to know, just things I think about. It doesn't help solve the case, only knowing who knew that she was home from a trip and got into her place and took her. Or waited outside, knowing she was coming to that car.

I think it was a data point in news reports that Jennifer went straight to work from her boyfriend's home in S. Florida. So she had not stopped by there earlier Monday morning and done anything.

II did a search about the luggage. Parents told Nancy Grace that the luggage was inside the front door and hadn't been unpacked. I read the transcript, thinking I wonder if I'll learn anything here, nothing until this. This is a 2011 show:

Nancy Grace transcript quote:

DREW KESSE: No, the investigation is over. If someone was to call the Orlando Police Department right now, they would not take the lead. They would ask you to call the FBI. The FBI will tell you that they are only reviewing Jennifer`s case and that you should call Orlando Police Department. That is the catch-22 that Jennifer is in right now. Not us. We`re not the hurt ones. You can`t hurt us anymore. It is Jennifer. And --

GRACE: So neither Orlando Police nor the FBI are taking tips?

DREW KESSE: No.

JOYCE KESSE, MOTHER: No. And they won`t make the case --

DREW KESSE: And they asked right to our face, no, do not send any more tips. She is gone. She has vanished. We do not have a clue of where she is. It`s over.

JOYCE KESSE: But they won`t make her case cold, which is very interesting unto itself.

DREW KESSE: They don`t have to share the case if the case is left open and active. Which --

GRACE: Are you talking about the Orlando PD?

JOYCE KESSE: Correct.

DREW KESSE: It is Orlando Police`s case. It has never been the FBI`s case.

GRACE: But they`re not even taking tips?

JOYCE KESSE: No.

DREW KESSE: The FBI has not even looked at the tape of Jennifer`s car being dropped off. Quote unquote --

end quote

I am mind boggled.

rd

 

[marable]

I had another look at the Disappeared show titled Girl Interrupted. (Jennifer Kesse)

In the police evidence room there were seven binders and a box (murder book?) with JK's name on them.
That is a lot of information.

The box had this written on it:

"Files from statewide prosecutor......copies."

Surely there must be suspects names amongst this stuff.

I honestly believe that OPD has a strong suspicion or knows exactly who abducted Jennifer ....If you pay attention to the wording her parents use in interviews, they say, "someone knows something, we just need that one piece of evidence" or they say something similar....

OPD fought with Drew for 17 months about releasing the video of the POI parking Jennifer's car.....From what you have seen in the video released what on earth would be the reason why they would not want it released to the public....It seems virtually useless the video that they released.....Could there have been more to this video and OPD does not want to clue him in that they have better pictures or that they have his identity?

Could OPD really need just one more piece of evidence to solve Jennifer's case?

 

[marable]

She left Fort Lauderdale at around 6 am Monday and drove straight to work....She left work at 6 pm...

Her only luggage I believe was her duffle bag which was just inside her apartment door....

Could someone have been hiding in her closet ....just waiting..... for the best opportunity to attack?

 

[Myserty64]

Suspects.

I have re-evaluated my theories.

I believe Jennifer was murdered by someone she knew.
There are two possible suspects. One an ex boyfriend the other a person from her workplace.

Jennifer went out of her own free will after the phone call at 9:57.
The clothes on her bed were not there to choose a garment for work but rather to select a garment to wear out that night.
She also wore her favourite pumps.

She took her briefcase for convenience in carrying her wallet, ipod and phone . She grabbed her car keys and headed out the door. To eternity, sadly.

She didn't drive far, probably to the vicinity of Windermere. There her fate awaited her.

There is a young woman on another site who has done a lot of work on this mystery and it is from the information there I formulated this theory.

Interestingly it is stated the 'other' cell phone ran out of power over the weekend. That would be the weekend after the abduction.

It is time for the OPD to apply some heat to the suspects.

Some suspects have been cleared by polygraph. I don't have much faith in them. Didn't the Green River Killer pass a polygraph test?

 

[shelly111]

Jennifer glasses were found by her bed.
Her contact lenses were not in the case, meaning she wore them.
if she went to bed why would she wear contacts?
she was planning to go out at night or she went to work in the morning.

 

[Myserty64]

She went out that night. I bet LE knows it too.

 

[Bootsctr]

Suspects.

I have re-evaluated my theories.

I believe Jennifer was murdered by someone she knew.
There are two possible suspects. One an ex boyfriend the other a person from her workplace.

Jennifer went out of her own free will after the phone call at 9:57.
The clothes on her bed were not there to choose a garment for work but rather to select a garment to wear out that night.She also wore her favourite pumps.

She took her briefcase for convenience in carrying her wallet, ipod and phone . She grabbed her car keys and headed out the door. To eternity, sadly.

She didn't drive far, probably to the vicinity of Windermere. There her fate awaited her.

There is a young woman on another site who has done a lot of work on this mystery and it is from the information there I formulated this theory.

Interestingly it is stated the 'other' cell phone ran out of power over the weekend. That would be the weekend after the abduction.

It is time for the OPD to apply some heat to the suspects.

Some suspects have been cleared by polygraph. I don't have much faith in them. Didn't the Green River Killer pass a polygraph test?

Yes, Green River Killer passed a poly. I always like to hear when a suspect takes a poly, but since they are not admissible in court you know they are not fail proof evidence of guilt or innocence.

BBM: I love how people can look at the same scenario, but come up with different outcomes.

 

[Myserty64]

Did Jennifer run into James Hataway?

How many workers noticed her car at Mosaic that morning? Remember, there were very few cars there.

 

[rd_jfc]

Did Jennifer run into James Hataway?

How many workers noticed her car at Mosaic that morning? Remember, there were very few cars there.

I think the answer is no one saw her car that morning.

 

[rd_jfc]

Because of this renewed discussion, I have been taking a hard look at the pictures again tonight, particulary the head and hip / thigh area with the webbing. Been many years, too long.

Still 2 is the one with the profile angle that lets us see this stuff in relief. For the head, it's really the top that gives away that it's a bike helmet. Follow the top from the fence post back. It rises from the fence post, arcs, then drops suddenly and levels out, rising a little again. This patterns are so sharp and regular and in the shape of the top of many bike helmets that it's a little difficult to see hair doing that. The best relief pattern is below the picture of the hand holding an X26 in my lineup of enlargements.

The actual back that would be the bun is not as sharp in that picture, but there are others on the page that show the back of the bun does that distinctive double hump of the back of many bike helmets, then diagonals from there back down to the neck. That alone wouldn't firmly indicate bike helmet, but the entire pattern from the front of the top all the way around and back down to the neck is a solid bike helmet pattern.

The other thing I'm looking at is the sideways < shaped web strapping to the solid holster shaped object on his side hip to upper thigh. The upper part of the < actually goes to right above the top of the holster, the lower to the middle. I have looked yet again at many many holsters and have yet to find that sideways V web strand in a picture. I probably should have been looking throughout the years but I thought someone in that line of equipment would recognize it. Didn't happen. I'll look some more.

I had been doing some research a few months ago and found these pictures in my archives. I was going to do an exhaustive search of bike helmet brands to find a close match and realized I already had it on file from my previous searching last summer. Pluses in addition to matching the shape are a neck strap that could be the ring around his neck and police logoed models.

I'll include a link here rather than embed the images.

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5378

These are Rudy Project bike helmets. I also saw Giro models that are close. What would help is feedback about these brands and any preference known by any security or law enforcement, for example the Rudy Project has models for police. The POI may very well be an imposter and the gear may be his own selection, but any association known for use would help identify his influences.

I will work next on the holster. The upper strand of the thigh straps separating to anchor both top of holster and side is very distinctive. The holster also is relatively narrow like an X26 holster, not a big wide unit as is usually seen in pictures of drop down holsters.

And maybe that distinctive strapping would point to some other type of holder than a holster. Also I saw some videos of reworking holster webbing to suit the wearer's preferences. It may not come that way but maybe that V anchor is a gun enthusiast's mod to the holster strapping. Certainly I can expect something like that for bike patrol security. I haven't seen that V yet though anywhere.

 

[Myserty64]

Good work but is the POI the actual perpetrator? Maybe an accessory after the fact who dropped the car off.

 

[TexasT]

She went out that night. I bet LE knows it too.

Why ? And why wasn't she on her phone for security like she Always was not too mention after dark ?

 

[rd_jfc]

Good work but is the POI the actual perpetrator? Maybe an accessory after the fact who dropped the car off.

I think it's one of two possibilities.

One is that this was an off duty security guard or imposter who was looking for an opportunity to make an assault at night in a large parking area.

The second is that the assailant deliberately left Jennifer's car parked somewhere with keys in it and purse, an opportunity to steal the car and even rob the condo. The somewhere might be an off street area where it happens security is done with bike patrol. A security guard may have taken opportunity to drive it to the address for who knows what and saw the activity and decided to ditch the car and take a bus back to where he worked, or back home.

This is a more sophisticated getup than I would expect for anyone other than a serious imposter or someone who was or had been a bike patrol security guard.

 

[Myserty64]

Why ? And why wasn't she on her phone for security like she Always was not too mention after dark ?

Why not? She was a young woman at the peak of her powers.
It appears her boyfriend didn't commit to their relationship as she would have liked.

Did the opportunity for a romantic liaison suddenly appear? I don't have the answer to that.

We human beings have a habit of not behaving as others think we would/should.

And finally, working on the theory of her being abducted in the morning has got this case nowhere in close to eleven years.
I think we need to be 'looking outside the square.'

 

[Myserty64]

LE generally doesn't believe in coincidences.

The fact that her abduction occurred immediately after her weekend trip and immediately after her brother and his friends (including her ex) stayed in her condo was surely too much of a coincidence.