FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #11

[Myserty64]

From my point of view and thanks to some telling posts in recent times this case is looking very solvable.

What needs to happen to get LE to act? The time is right apply some real heat with uncompromising questioning at the very least.

For mine the perpetrator stands out like a beacon.

 

[rd_jfc]

Is the pub in the mall close? Has she frequented it before , do we know?

Do you think the work suspect scrapping his car soon after her disappearance has any significance?

The mall is relatively close. I only know of references to the ex bf and bar there through posts here. She had only lived in her condo a couple of months if memory serves and seemed to have dated the current bf at least that long, certainly doesn't seem like much time at that location to have established much of a pattern while still dating the former bf. That turns the question around to what would be the basis for the ex bf to have been there Monday evening? And if he went there before, had Jennifer accompanied him?

Re: the work colleage scrapping his car soon after. The same car he had just got a speeding ticket in that morning? I would find scrapping a car that's capable of speeding pretty unusual as well. On other hand I am only vaguely aware of any of this stuff (work, speeding, scrapping) through posts here and have no idea about any of it same as with the ex bf. So certainly I'm not in much of a position to have any opinions.

 

[colette]

Personally I am still going with construction worker at the condo complex. Jennifer had an uneasy feeling from them. They could monitor her coming and going and know when best to strike. Undocumented workers who used a fake name and fled would be hard to track and impossible as time moves on.

 

[Markybug]

Personally I am still going with construction worker at the condo complex. Jennifer had an uneasy feeling from them. They could monitor her coming and going and know when best to strike. Undocumented workers who used a fake name and fled would be hard to track and impossible as time moves on.

I think its been to neat and tidy to have been a construction guy? Especially with the taking and returning of the car. Was the ex-bf's car checked?..

If jens , the ex and the colleagues old cars could be found and rechecked?

 

[rd_jfc]

Just curious. Several years ago there was a lot of interest in JH as a suspect. I've seen so much interest here in her work colleage and ex bf that I had forgotten about it. Is there a reason JH is not mentioned as well and even more prominently? I don't have in mind any scenarios involving any of them but just wondering.

 

[Myserty64]

I haven't entirely forgotten JH. I posted this two pages back:


Did Jennifer run into James Hataway?

(I just found it difficult to fit him into the 9:57pm---10:40pm time frame and that is because ; how did she meet up with him at that time?)

 

[rd_jfc]

I haven't entirely forgotten JH. I posted this two pages back:


Did Jennifer run into James Hataway?

(I just found it difficult to fit him into the 9:57pm---10:40pm time frame and that is because ; how did she meet up with him at that time?)

Yes, you definitetely had it covered.

Although the coincidental connections are pretty strong, it my not mean anything. But if there was ever a case to be made for JH stalking Jennifer and abducting her at her car, it would be after 10 at night rather than 8 in the morning in my opinion.

 

[Markybug]

I cant see how JH could get jen out at 10pm?

 

[Myserty64]

James Hataway hung out at the Florida Tap Room, a bar a bit over five miles from where Jennifer lived. Did Jennifer ever visit this venue? I don't know.

The time line that fateful night would have been tight.

Taking it for granted that the 9:57pm end to the phone call was accurate she would have to get dressed and drive to the bar. She would be at the bar by 10:20 pm. (motoring along)

Then we need to know where her phone last pinged.

A long-shot to be sure but every possibility needs to be considered.

Could JH be the POI? rd-jfc?

 

[Markybug]

The question would be why and how she would head to that pub?

I hadnt really thought of him as a poi before.

 

[Myserty64]

I have just discovered Jennifer lived next door to the Florida Tap Room for three years.
She also frequented that bar.

JH lived in Ocoee, the same area as Jennifer worked.

JH is also a suspect in the disappearance of Tracy Ocasio.

JH was considered a suspect in the disappearance of Chris George. His bones were eventually found in a lake.

Did JK know this guy? Did he know where she lived?

He most likely isn't a suspect but finding this information gave pause for thought.

 

[Markybug]

Compared to the other 2 possibles , he would look more likely?

 

[rd_jfc]

I cant see how JH could get jen out at 10pm?

Stalking is opportunistic in my opinion. Getting Jennifer outside goes beyond stalking to an ambush. That is a very deliberate planned murder.

I have made the case for her leaving to take the phone somewhere but you don;t even have to have that, just any reason Jennifer might have gone outside to her car. Even just to put something in it or get something out. If someone stalking her was outside trying to spy on her, check up on her, and she came outside to her car, it just might be something the wouldn't have tried to make happen but it happened for whatever reason a person would abduct another person. It happens, and it happened to Jennifer.

 

[Myserty64]

Stalking is opportunistic in my opinion. Getting Jennifer outside goes beyond stalking to an ambush. That is a very deliberate planned murder.

I have made the case for her leaving to take the phone somewhere but you don;t even have to have that, just any reason Jennifer might have gone outside to her car. Even just to put something in it or get something out. If someone stalking her was outside trying to spy on her, check up on her, and she came outside to her car, it just might be something the wouldn't have tried to make happen but it happened for whatever reason a person would abduct another person. It happens, and it happened to Jennifer.

Really good thoughts here. It is an angle I never thought of and very possible.

 

[rd_jfc]

James Hataway hung out at the Florida Tap Room, a bar a bit over five miles from where Jennifer lived. Did Jennifer ever visit this venue? I don't know.

The time line that fateful night would have been tight.

Taking it for granted that the 9:57pm end to the phone call was accurate she would have to get dressed and drive to the bar. She would be at the bar by 10:20 pm. (motoring along)

Then we need to know where her phone last pinged.

A long-shot to be sure but every possibility needs to be considered.

Could JH be the POI? rd-jfc?

I wrote this about Hataway as the POI at the time, myserty:

There are a couple of pictures floating around of Hataway. One shows him in a blue shirt with a logo on the chest and wearing a black cap backwards, the other he's younger and has hair cut in a strange style that actually resembles the black hat.

I can go with the back being a baseball cap visor, simply because we can see so little of it. But there are three additional aspects picturewise in addition to everything else:

- his beard which the suspect appears to have in photo three when he looks back

- his very large dark eyes as seen in previous photo. They were strange looking in photo three, and I noticed the same kind of look in the photo above. In addition the basic shape of face and nose matches as well.

- the logo on his t-shirt. I have searched far and wide for logos that matched photo one. That has the basic shape and position on his chest that I described in the beginning.

This really does closely resemble the suspect. There's something strange about the timing, but given resemblance, familiarity with knowledge of Jennifer, and his horrendous background, including telling art least one friend he wanted to kill women, this is probably the POI.

There's lots of questions to answer first though.

I will skip recounting the many opportunities to have some familiarity with Jennifer and his horrendous background, I assume it's known here.

I doubt that I would say he's probably the POI now, simply because I found no security guard type background on him, but otherwise the POI looks very much like him, including the 5'9 height. Of interest was that he had a 5'5 friend as I read it from the posts. Have no idea if he resembles the POI though.

 

[Markybug]

If our 3? possible suspects (ex,jc,jh) were placed in order of probability, what would they be?

 

[TexasT]

Stalking is opportunistic in my opinion. Getting Jennifer outside goes beyond stalking to an ambush. That is a very deliberate planned murder.

I have made the case for her leaving to take the phone somewhere but you don;t even have to have that, just any reason Jennifer might have gone outside to her car. Even just to put something in it or get something out. If someone stalking her was outside trying to spy on her, check up on her, and she came outside to her car, it just might be something the wouldn't have tried to make happen but it happened for whatever reason a person would abduct another person. It happens, and it happened to Jennifer.

I would be a Lot more open to her running out to retrieve or place Something in the car then making a run to Fedex since they already picked up it would be a wasted trip . And if she were going out to meet someone there would be a phone call or text . Unless , they are withholding that information ?

Perhaps she did decide to run TB's phone out to the car to not forget it in the morning ?
I've done that many times loading my vehicle in the evening to make the morning rush easier .
Good opinion here

 

[Myserty64]

If only we knew where her phone last pinged.
It would answer so many questions.

Outside of LE at least one other person knows. Possibly her parents too. Nobody is saying though.

 

[marable]

If only we knew where her phone last pinged.
It would answer so many questions.

Outside of LE at least one other person knows. Possibly her parents too. Nobody is saying though.

I think that the phone or phones pinged off John Young Parkway....I believe that that highway covers a lot of territory......There have been several searches off of JYP, some area's more than once......Not long after she disappeared it was mentioned that her car may have been seen traveling along JYP and videotaped from a store along there, specifically the 7-11....However, OPD collected 66 hrs of video tape from various stores from JYP.....

 

[rd_jfc]

I think that the phone or phones pinged off John Young Parkway....I believe that that highway covers a lot of territory......There have been several searches off of JYP, some area's more than once......Not long after she disappeared it was mentioned that her car may have been seen traveling along JYP and videotaped from a store along there, specifically the 7-11....However, OPD collected 66 hrs of video tape from various stores from JYP.....

JYP is within a mile and a half of her condo, in between her condo and Texas, and a mile a half radius would cover a bit of JYP from her condo. The specific tower I believe is being mentioned near a search site. The contention would be a search was there because of the last ping which is pretty silly. I mean a search of a location close to the tower based on that.

Only if there was a change of towers from the tower that handled the bf call for example would there be an indication that the phone moved. There also would little correlation in my opinion with location of last ping, being where the cell phones were hard powered off and location of her remains. Someone who is going to take care of the cell phones doesn't do it at the location of the body. If anything, there would be what I mentioned in an earlier post, a misdirection to some swampy area or something and kill the phones to fool investigators into searching the swampy area.

Also any footage is likely to be next day during daylight. It would be difficult to make out her car at night in the distance from a surveillance camera (which isn't surveilling JYP, but a business property). We know the car was driven to Texas and parked, it would not be surprising if it was caught on surveillance camera but that was long past telling is something we don't know.

Sorry to be a downer on that.