FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #6

[Myserty64]

I have asked the same basic simple question about the tracking dog many times and no one has given a satisfactory answer.

I shall ask again.

Why did the dog go straight to the Mosaic complex?
The dog also went to a very specific part of Mosaic.

The dog could have gone anywhere in Orlando but he didn't go anyplace.
He went straight to Mosaic.
He didn't go through the main gate either but rather to a spot at the fence.

Why did the dog go straight to Mosaic?

 

[leftcoast]

Related to RD's comment two above:

I don't remember this, it must have been before the POI video was released.

If I said I "thought", then it was obviously an educated guess, and until I read the exact entry, I just can't comment further. I honestly don't remember the exact quote, nor the context of the conversation.

There were many questions, theories, etc. regarding the camera's before the release of the pOI video. Many people were stumped as to why there were two pictures with the same timestamp, and it may have been a possible theory to explain such an event.

Some people questioned if the camera's were motion activated, and other's thought the photo's were taken at night.

Unless someone actually experiments with the camera's, or goes to HOTG, it is hard to know exactly how the camera's are set.

Many people thought the POI was simply an innocent bystander, who was just walking by. I, along with most on this board, never believed that, since he was called a POI, and not a witness.

So, like I said above, if you view the ORlando Sentinel video, it apppears that the reason some of the photo's have the same time stamp is simply due to the timing of when the tape is stopped by the tech to photograph, versus the running clock, which doesn't coincide exactly with the click of a photo. In other words, each photo does not come at exactly 27 seconds, it is 27.8 or some type of fraction.

The release of the video, really did answer quite a few questions related to the POI, the timestamp, and how LE "captured" the car being dropped at HOTG.

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[leftcoast]

I have asked the same basic simple question about the tracking dog many times and no one has given a satisfactory answer.

I shall ask again.

Why did the dog go straight to the Mosaic complex?
The dog also went to a very specific part of Mosaic.

The dog could have gone anywhere in Orlando but he didn't go anyplace.
He went straight to Mosaic.
He didn't go through the main gate either but rather to a spot at the fence.

Why did the dog go straight to Mosaic?

Because the dog was most likely following the scent of the person who was the last one to drive JK's car. Personally, I would trust a dog's ability over the value of an average eyewitness to a crime.



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[rd_jfc]

The dog didn't have much of a choice. It was up or down Texas, or right or left on Americana.

And the spot in the fence is just basically, oh it's in my way to get over there to where all the cops are.

My opinion.

left, it was a Feb. 12 post where you said you thought you heard Drew Kesse say a picture was taken every three seconds, and you asked why the timestamp didn't increase by three seconds.

I did way more research on this than I wanted to, but like everything else, it can't be simple. There is not a discrete snapshot taken at intervals. Only expensive professional equipment does that. It just is user settable to take fewer frames per second, resulting in as I said for example 2 fields per second at 72H setting, which records about 75 hours whereas continuous video would only record for three hours.

That is why the pictures are slightly blurry where there is fast movement like his arms, and the overlap of the shoulder patch over the logo on the front of his jersey that I described the other day.

rd

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Wouldn't the camera also have captured the suspect driving the car INTO the parking area as clearly as we see him on the cams at that particular spot in front of the gate? Those would be clearer photos of him plus it puts him actually IN the car. Where are those photos?!

 

[rd_jfc]

Wouldn't the camera also have captured the suspect driving the car INTO the parking area as clearly as we see him on the cams at that particular spot in front of the gate? Those would be clearer photos of him plus it puts him actually IN the car. Where are those photos?!

No, SS, the entrance is just to the left of the gate, along the side of the pool. The video showing him parking and walking along the fence is aimed in that direction, but long range wide angle or something, obviously.

The other end of the pool building has the same vent and appeared to me to have the same camera setup, as you can see on those pictures from where Jennifer's car was parked and looking at the pool building.

If it was working, it would be the same *cough*quality*cough* photos of him parking the car as him walking by the gate on the other side.

Since we've heard nothing of it, maybe it wasn't used at the time.

rd

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Where he is walking in front of the gate is near the entrance to the parking area. We can clearly see the other car parked on the far side of that driveway. So what do you mean?

 

[rd_jfc]

that's what I was saying, just to the left of the gate he's passing, which is just behind him. He walked up the main entrance along the pool from the Malibu until he rounded the corner and passed the gate.

The pool and pool building is not straight up and down along the entrance but angled across, but the cam on one end point at one gate, the cam on the other points at the other gate and where the Malibu was parked, and the long range wide angle that gave us the "video" is aimed out over the pool, as far as I can tell. I couldn't tell much from the video, but I think he's walking along the fence from the car and rounding it toward the gate.

rd

 

[Enrique Sparta]

that's what I was saying, just to the left of the gate he's passing, which is just behind him. He walked up the main entrance along the pool from the Malibu until he rounded the corner and passed the gate.

The pool and pool building is not straight up and down along the entrance but angled across, but the cam on one end point at one gate, the cam on the other points at the other gate and where the Malibu was parked, and the long range wide angle that gave us the "video" is aimed out over the pool, as far as I can tell. I couldn't tell much from the video, but I think he's walking along the fence from the car and rounding it toward the gate.

rd

that's right. also if anyone's having trouble with the path the suspect walked in relation to the pictures......check out the short brick wall in the suspect photos and then look at the same brick wall in some of the photos of that website i linked.

 

[leftcoast]

How do we know that the POI took the entrance into HOTG off of Texas?

Isn't it possible that the POI drove Jk's car past the poolgate, and then made a left at the stop sign, and then parked in the infamous spot?

In other words, if the POI drove past the poolgate, couldn't there be a photo of JK's car going past this point?

I'm assuming there is more than one entrance to HOTG, and which entrance the POI used could be beneficial to which direction he came from?

For example, if the POI drove past the poolgate, maybe, he was simply re-tracing his steps after he parked the car? Agree?

Also, I'm not convinced the other camera on the eave of the poolhouse wasn't working. Maybe it doesn't show the car being parked, or maybe LE is not sharing those photo's with the public.

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[rd_jfc]

I agree the evidence form that camera could be being withheld, that's a possibility.

I had the same questions when I visited. I didn't see an entrance from Americana. This "side" entrance from Texas, if you will, was the only one I saw.

Entering, you can make an immediate left and drive by the gate, not far, just the length of an apartment building or two, and then it dead ends at the sidewalk on Americana and the corner of Texas.

Or you can drive past the pool and parking spaces on each side start, and he pulled into the first one he could without blocking the sidewalk (which locals do, as the pictures show.)

rd

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Ah Ok I just saw that on google map...he is already around and on Downing which goes around and into the complex instead of out...Right? Which means he wasn't going down Texas but either to another area of the parking lot or back to Conroy.

 

[rd_jfc]

If you mean when he's walking away past the gate, he's walking in the parking lane along Texas towards Americana. He would arrive at Americana a few feet from the corner of Texas. If he turns right on Americana he starts the walk down Americana and Conroy to the Mosaic.

rd

 

[leftcoast]

I agree the evidence form that camera could be being withheld, that's a possibility.

I had the same questions when I visited. I didn't see an entrance from Americana. This "side" entrance from Texas, if you will, was the only one I saw.

Entering, you can make an immediate left and drive by the gate, not far, just the length of an apartment building or two, and then it dead ends at the sidewalk on Americana and the corner of Texas.

Or you can drive past the pool and parking spaces on each side start, and he pulled into the first one he could without blocking the sidewalk (which locals do, as the pictures show.)

rd

Thanks for answering the questions;

BTW, I did review my entry from 2/12, and I was questioning why the two photo's of the POI had the same exact time stamp. So, we had the same question. Where, or how I picked up Drew saying the camera's took a photo every three seconds I just don't know. I must have heard it on a show, or on the web. Of course, I could also have mis-understood Drew as well. Obviously, we know so much more about the camera's now, than we did six months ago. Thanks for the ref.

Question.

I was viewing an aerial view of HOTG, and it appears that the road the POI was walking on, as he went past the gate, winds around the complex, and
http://www.jenniferkesse.com/arial/arial1.jpg
out onto a street called Tom JOnes. Remember, I live 3000 miles away, so bear with me, but, couldn't the POI have driven into the HOTG complex via the entrance on Tom Jones, and circled around the complex, past the pool, and parked in the infamous spot.

IF you look at the ariel photo, it sure does look like there is another exit to HOTG, and a way to get onto Americana via this exit, and the use of Tom Jones parkway. IS this right?

tia

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[rd_jfc]

Yes, I would agree. It's not in sight driving in front on Americana and turning north on Texas and driving into the entrance there. It's on the other side of the complex and apparently goes out to a side street there, Tom Jones, as you're saying.

The parking lanes may have street names, but they are just parking lanes in the apartment complex. If it circles around in front and runs along Americana I wouldn't be surprised, but it's just an internal apartment complex parking lane.

I thought the "video" showed him pulling the car in and parking. They would be able to see where he drove in past the fence just as he walked back along the fence.

rd

 

[Myserty64]

Just where was Jennifer abducted?
The most likely scenario is either at her car door or just as she was seated in her car.
The main clue to this is she was in the habit of either calling or texting her boyfriend every morning. Her parents have stated that she did this on the way to work.

Her boyfriend stated this on the Nancy Grace show:

Well, normally, like I`ve said, Jennifer and I had gotten into the routine -- Jennifer always woke up before me. She had to go to work before I did. So she every day would either call me just to say, Good morning, Have a great day, or just text me to wish me to, you know, have a great day, Love you, that type of thing. And when I didn`t receive it Tuesday morning, I thought it was odd, but I was running a little late for work, so I called her on the way into work and just (INAUDIBLE) her voice- mail. I called her both...

She never called or sent a text message that morning.
This mostly likely happened because the abduction had already occurred. If Jennifer had driven her car that morning it is more than likely she would have turned her cell phone on and either called her boyfriend or sent a message.
Also an abduction in or at the victims car means the crime is cleaner and quicker with the getaway vehicle (her car) at hand. The Kelsey Smith video showed the abduction can be completed in seconds.
Did her cell phone even get turned on that morning?
LE has never released information confirming pings from her phone were recorded that morning.


In this vanishing anything is possible of course

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You said it...anything is possible in this case.

Wouldn't the crime be "cleaner" if he never took her in a vehicle at all or used his own? He would have more time to clean his further or to sell it than the time he had with her car.

Since they found no sign of a struggle in her car, I find it hard to believe they were ever in it together immediately after the abduction. Jennifer would have at least tried to get away or fought with him. There should have been some vague signs of a struggle within that car, IMO.

 

[rd_jfc]

The problem is everyone wants this guy to be someone close to the Mosaic, so they try to fit a square peg in a round hole (or a round peg in a square hole, whatever).

So they have this premeditated attack on Jennifer as she walks out to her car to go to work. Please. If ever there was a square peg, it's that.

Then they force her into her car, and then park it a few hours later a mile and a half down a major road, and then walk back to the Mosaic, simply because that's where people want this guy to come from.

Round hole.

rd

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The fact remains that the dog did track back to not only Mosaic, but to either her door or stairway. You don't have to believe in the dog's ability, but most of us do. It is at least SOME evidence the suspect is associated in some way with Mosaic.

He had a reason for going back there.
1) He lived there.
2) He worked there.
3) His transportation was there.
4) He knew someone there.
5) Another reason....
....a) Check for left evidence
....b) Dispose of evidence
....c) Revisit the crime scene

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I truly feel that there is more then one person involved. I don't think Jennifer ever entered her car that morning. I do feel that she did get ready for work and left her apartment and locked her door. I also feel that she walked downstairs. In my gut, I just feel that whatever happened happened at or near her car. I just don't think she was in it. Jenn is a fighter and there would have been signs of a struggle in her car as there was with Kelsey Smith.