FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #6

[leftcoast]

I truly don't think HOTG really wants people parading around there doing all types of measurements, but it might be something you want to email LE and see if they respond...

I'll tell ya, that I live much too far away to consider a flight down to HOTG just to measure.

However, if I was an Orlando resident, and I thought there was a chance the re-enactment could somehow assist in finding JK alive, or the dirtbag POI, I would have no problem going down to HOTG, and either asking permission, or doing it anyway, or pretending to be interested in renting an apartment at HOTG.

BTW, all it takes is a couple of quick walk-bys, past the camera, slip the security guard a 20.00, in exchange for the tape of the walk-by's. I'll tell ya, if it was my daughter, or family member, and I felt as strongly as I do, I would have no problem asking HOTG for permission. Plus, HOTG, has done a wonderful job assisting LE in this case, and keeping the video secret. I can't imagine them telling the Kesse's "no".

But, from what I've heard, the Kesse's seem content that the POI is in fact 5"4. I sure wish the Kesse's would at least read the board's, and consider some of the idea's. There must be a reason why this case is cold, and it isn't from lack of effort. So, some assumption, or some error, must have been made. OR, it is possible the POI is under surveillance, but LE doesn't have enough evidence, but, judging by Drew's words via the last interview, I don't think that is the case.

left

 

[Enrique Sparta]

rd has already taken a trip to all the places involved in the JK disappearance.

2 days after rd reported his findings to law enforcement, the Department of Justice announced an investigation into taser use by authorities. Coincidence? I think not.

5'4" is way off. You guys have convinced me. rd's analysis sealed the deal.

-it's a cop, rent-a-cop, security guard, or military authority. or it's somebody posing as one.

-face is visible. wearing sun glasses and probably helmet with chin strip but might be some kind of hat, beret perhaps, and goatee. absolutely 100% the the dude turned towards the car revealing his face. not really clear mind you but you can see it's a man wearing sunglasses.

-taser and taser holster clearly visible. strap visible on thigh, pants like bike rider, perhaps cammo pants.

-shoulder patch same exact shape and size as orange county police. but can't read the writing.

-He's got something around his neck or on his neck but I am stumped on that one. Can't think of anything. Maybe bruising.

you really just need to blow up the pictures yourself and all the stuff rd posted is there. he just cut out the sides on certain parts of the pics, nothing wrong with that, just focusing on what needs to be seen, the person. no altering of the photographs was done. i tried myself, blew up the photos a great deal, everything was clear. the original photos suck, they show nothing. the moving billboard thing should have the blown up photos. the news should've done an analysis segment on the photos. that's pretty damn sad if the cops couldn't find anything in the photos. actually they could, that's why rd triggered an investigation into the use of tasers. oh and the height? awful. guy is about 5'10" I know at first I was a little skeptical just cause I thought the police would get the height right but nope. websleuthers set them straight. I applaud left, myserty, rd, and all the rest for that. and rd for breaking open the case with those seemingly useless photos. well done sir.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If the case has been broken wide open...I haven't seen it yet. I will be glad to applaud RD when it is tho.

The Dept. of Justice looking into use of tasers doesn't seem to reflect they are looking into Jenn's case at all. So what are you basing those assumptions on?

RD, you should send your theories and photos to a local news outlet there and let them run with it...if you want. See what can come of it. It can only do one of two things...complicate the case further or help solve it. Either way, this case is going to remain in limbo until they get further evidence or a good solid lead on the perp.

 

[leftcoast]

rd has already taken a trip to all the places involved in the JK disappearance.

Yes, I know. CAt and her husband have been there as well.

Regardless, a video tape, and photo's blown up of an averge size man walking in the same path as the POI will do "wonders" for our case.

2 days after rd reported his findings to law enforcement, the Department of Justice announced an investigation into taser use by authorities. Coincidence? I think not.

That would be nice if RD has been the catalyst of the investigation.

5'4" is way off. You guys have convinced me. rd's analysis sealed the deal.

Enrique, I've been arguing for over a year about the height, and was always outnumbered, and had no back-up, until a few months ago.

Cat and her husband have been to HOTG, and along with RD, who has been at HOTG, both agree the height is wrong. POI is closer to 5"10.

-it's a cop, rent-a-cop, security guard, or military authority. or it's somebody posing as one.

AS you know, I don't see the badge, neckline, or taser on my computer.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if the POI used a "trick" to catch JK off guard. AS you know, I've always been suspicious of the security guards at HOTG, and the Mall. We need to be cautious, and make sure we don't get tunnel vision, and we must consider other options, until an arrest is made, or a better argument is made in either direction. imo

He's got something around his neck or on his neck but I am stumped on that one. Can't think of anything. Maybe bruising.

Personally, I can't see it on my computer.

Why can't it be a tatoo, or those skiny ropes the young kids wear around their wrists and necks for jewelry.

I know that you and RD are convinced of the patch, taser, neck, and sunglass evidence.

That is part of the reason why I want an experiment done at HOTG.

If we send out a "model", average height guy, and have him walk past the camera's, wearing a outfit without patches, tasers, and glasses, and never looking back when he nears the palm tree and

then

Do the same experiment, with someone wearing taser, patches, glasses, and then turning around at the palm tree to take notice of the car,

Will these two different video's show such items are visible with the HOTG camera's. IT will be proven, one way or another, if such items are visible, or if it is an optical illusion, or some other explanation.

:twocents:

left

 

[Truthful Lies]

I will be in Orlando within the next month...If someone wants to provide detailed instructions on the shots they want, I'd be happy to do it. I'm 5'7 (girl) but I could probably convince my husband to do it (6'1). We'll both do it.

 

[rd_jfc]

That sounds good. What is really needed is the HOTG camera output of you walking by, if it could be arranged to be given to you.

A couple of quick notes. Thanks for that confirmation Enrique. I wanted to clarify that the federal investigation was announced the next day, on Monday, after I called this in to the police on Sunday. The news hit the Tuesday newspaper.

This is not a minor thing. It is an unprecedented, massive investigation of the Orange County Sheriff's Department, accounting for every use of the taser. They would only say that it is a highly sensitive investigation and they won't have anything else to say about it until complete. They won't say what triggered the investigation.

Deputies were being questioned on Monday, the day it was announced, the Orlando Sentinel reported. I have the link and blurbs posted in the link with the blowups.

I also sent the information to the Orlando Sentinel before calling the police. They have the info. I dount they will report on this unless and until the police comment on it, and I doubt the police will comment on it until they have a murder case.

I think it won't hurt to look at what they have provided in the meantime, though.

rd

P.S. I just took a look at photo three on my 15" LCD monitor and you can see his face and sunglasses in the released photo with the naked eye.

 

[Truthful Lies]

Rd, Have you had any contact with HOTG administration? Do you think I should call ahead and see what I can arrange or try talking to them once I get there? Worst comes to worst, we can bring a ladder and get my hubby to hold the camera next to the security camera. We don't have anything that looks like a taser, but we'll fashion something to put it in "place".

 

[Beyond Belief]

Just to see how messed up a photo can become. Using a paint brush, you never know what will show up. This actually frightened me, even tho I know its NOT REAL. That is if you can actually see it. I was looking for a double image.
http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/Kafthy/show/?action=view&current=interesting.jpg#

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

HOTG does not have a security guard. Yes they have the cameras but there is no security guard there. You probably would have to go through the HOTG HOA.

 

[rd_jfc]

second photo. between post and back of head. faint image of profile.
post/slight image/back of head. very faint.

No, I took a look and that is a pattern that is also present in the fence gaps on to the left of that.

Basically what is seen through those fence gaps is the grass on the other side of the drive. As you look through the gaps to the left of his head in that photo, that is all grass and patterns from it.

The one face shot we have is helmet, sunglasses, face, chinstrap, and ring around his neck, also seen in photos one and two.

rd

 

[rd_jfc]

Just to see how messed up a photo can become. Using a paint brush, you never know what will show up. This actually frightened me, even tho I know its NOT REAL. That is if you can actually see it. I was looking for a double image.
http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/Kafthy/show/?action=view&current=interesting.jpg#

I just wanted to emphasize that I only enlarged and adjust brightness, contrast, and gamma correction settings to have an enhanced but unaltered image.

I say this because several people have mentioned that altering the image would be terribly misleading, and of course they're right.

But those ghostly images are frightening!

rd

 

[Beyond Belief]

I just wanted to emphasize that I only enlarged and adjust brightness, contrast, and gamma correction settings to have an enhanced but unaltered image.

I say this because several people have mentioned that altering the image would be terribly misleading, and of course they're right.

But those ghostly images are frightening!

rd

I use paint shop also. In the early days of the investigation we were seeing the images that seemed to spead across the photos between the bars. We dismissed what we saw because of criticism, don't stop what your doing.

 

[rd_jfc]

Rd, Have you had any contact with HOTG administration? Do you think I should call ahead and see what I can arrange or try talking to them once I get there? Worst comes to worst, we can bring a ladder and get my hubby to hold the camera next to the security camera. We don't have anything that looks like a taser, but we'll fashion something to put it in "place".

No, I haven't. As UCF said, there is no security guard and I walked around the pool fence. *However* , there were children playing in the pool and adults nearby watching, and no way I could go in the pool area if I wanted to without scaring people. I didn't have a ladder anyway, or a camera, so nothing I could do or see from there anyway.

I think the camera has to be the HOTG camera. Another with a different focus would not provide the right answer. I dearly wish HOTG administration could be helpful in this by providing a copy or stills of a test, but it will take some sweet talking.

I haven't seen a lot of that here but maybe you can do it.

rd

 

[rd_jfc]

I use paint shop also. In the early days of the investigation we were seeing the images that seemed to spead across the photos between the bars. We dismissed what we saw because of criticism, don't stop what your doing.

You got it. And your work gave me a running start.

rd

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I just wanted to emphasize that I only enlarged and adjust brightness, contrast, and gamma correction settings to have an enhanced but unaltered image.

I say this because several people have mentioned that altering the image would be terribly misleading, and of course they're right.

But those ghostly images are frightening!

rd

I am very familiar with enhancing images. To me this can result in an altered image quite easily. To manipulate it in this manner can certainly cause an image to show variations in shadows, color, markings, which are not really present to appear. I don't think anything except the enlargement should be attempted on those photos and considered to be "true" representations of such. You can quickly create "ghostly images" indicating a false positive.

 

[rd_jfc]

I am very familiar with enhancing images. To me this can result in an altered image quite easily. To manipulate it in this manner can certainly cause an image to show variations in shadows, color, markings, which are not really present to appear. I don't think anything except the enlargement should be attempted on those photos and considered to be "true" representations of such. You can quickly create "ghostly images" indicating a false positive.

Not true. You can't create something from nothing. I wrote scanner drivers and graphics enhancement programs for the most widely used DOS paint program in its day, PC Paintbrush. You start with pixels, you don't dream them up.

These features are all solid representations, not ghostly images. This is not squint and click your heels three times and wish you see something, and they are there for all to see.

It's unfortunate that some who would like to take a look can't see it with their computer/browser setups, but it's not an interpretation of shadows or whatever. Each feature is solid and unbroken, and unmistakable.

A gamma correction of 1.4 was necessary on some images, brightness on others, darkness for analysis.

What is seen is seen in all enlarged images, but better with setting adjustments.

rd

 

[leftcoast]

RD:

Anyway you can tell us the color of the pants or shirt the POI is wearing?

Is there anyway to distinguish colors, or can you experiment with differnent colors to see which show up dark, and light?

Just thinking out loud.

But, if we knew the color of the pOI's clothing, it would be a huge break, imo

keep up the good work

left

 

[leftcoast]

I will be in Orlando within the next month...If someone wants to provide detailed instructions on the shots they want, I'd be happy to do it. I'm 5'7 (girl) but I could probably convince my husband to do it (6'1). We'll both do it.

T.L.

First of all, thanks for offering to do this. Remember, you and your husband's safety come first, so, I don't want you guys to get in trouble, or jeopardize your safety (both are low probability events)

Anyway, the best scenario, would be to get the tape of you and your husband walking past the poolgate, from HOTG.

Since, this is unlikely, we may have to settle, with your hubby simply getting as high as safely possible, just underneath the camera in the peak of the poolhouse, that shot the POI photo's.

All I want to see is what someone who is a different height, but, the same distance from the curb, and time of day if possible, looks like compared to the POI.


For example, I have a feeling that your height, 5'7, will be a tad under the POI's height. But, until we see a comparison, how in the heck can we know for sure.

I don't want you or your husband to get in trouble, or risk falling from a ladder, etc.

In a perfect world, someone on the board would be friends with an employee at HOTG, who would allow these walk-throughs, and for us (me) to pay for a tape, and have the experiments taped, and then for HOTg, to give us the tape back.

Then, we'll have to blow it up, and compare to the POI.

thanks for offering. We're all here to find JK, and I think the best way to find JK, is to figure out who this dirtbag is, and then go from there.

IF I wasn't so convinced that the height is off, I would never ask anyone to do this experiment. But, with so many people, also believing the height is off, I think the experiment is well worth the effort. Of course, it is your time and effort.

left

TL AS the time nears to your trip to Orlando, and you and your hubby are still interested in doing this, any chance you could pm me, and I could write down what would be nice to see in the experiments. I know it is a lot to ask, but, trust me, it is greatly appreciated.

 

[drumstick]

You got me a little concerned when you started talking about ladders and renactments at HOTG.

A few facts that maybe you don't know....

The cameras that took the video are mounted in roof gables of the poolhouse.
They are approx. 16 to 18 feet off the ground.

The poolhouse is inside the locked fence. The same fence that blocked our view of the suspect.

If you managed to jump the fence or have a resident open the gate for you, you would still be dealing with a 20 foot ladder (heavy) and the insurance liability along with it for Huntington On The Green.
I see big trespassing issues and possible arrest issues. It's not public property.

IMO, the only possible way to do a civilian enactment is with the written approval of the management at HOTG.

Supply your own tape and then it's just of matter of them placing it into the recorder and then handing it back to you after you are finished.
Will they give you permission? I don't know, but it's worth a try.

You can look at the photos of the cameras and the poolhouse at these
links.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/kessepics/gatepool.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/kessepics/cameraingable.jpg

Hope this helps .....

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[rd_jfc]

Yes, and not only 18 feet up, but the gable is set back a little or inclined, it is not just a solid wall straight up and you go up and turn around.

So I hope that HOTG would take a new tape or two for their old one with your test reenactment footage.

Which brings up left's point, whatever funky things that thing does with colors won't be known without a test of that camera or type of camera. Of course if the type could be determined there might be some technical specs that would shed some light on that.

rd