FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #9

[lilacwine]

I think it would have been more likely for someone to have witnessed something the closer the abduction was to the apt. That's another reason why being closer to the car makes sense.

Do they have any type of timeline as to when her car LEFT the lot... did they uncover any people who remembered seeing it there at specific times periods during their initial interviews.

Part of the worker theory that bothers me is that...he abducts her and then stashes her somewhere and goes to work? He can't stash her somewhere at the complex because he'd have concerns that the police might be searching...

If he murdered her... does he report to work and have time to commit the crime... rid himself of evidence etc and get to work?

Does he not show up to work? Wouldn't someone realize that? I know the records were loose ... but it seems that someone not reporting to work would slow down progress and inconvenience other workers.

Then there is the disposal of two apparently two cellphones, purse, briefcase none of which has surfaced....

Also... am I correct that the VCR was not hers?

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Unfortunately no. The issue is that the condo complex was not very full at the time and quite a bit of people were not in town as they traveled for work or whatnot. There was no survelliance in Jenn's condo complex at the time of Jenn's abduction- however 2 weeks later, cameras went up. It was a DVD player if I'm not mistaken and I do believe it was Jenn's from my understanding.

 

[lilacwine]

So, if it were Jen's.... I wonder if she'd put it in the car to take to a shop (do you know, if it were broken or needed to be cleaned?)
If she had extra things in her hands that might explain why she didn't get to the mace or police whistle.

If it wasn't there.... then, he went into the condo.

I suspect the first scenario. I still find it strange that the briefcase wasn't abandoned with the car....

 

[drumstick]

I think whatever Jen had on her person at the time she was abducted went with her.
Handbag, cell phones, ipod...

I don't think she ever made it into her car that morning so the car contents would still be in it.

Why didn't the suspect take the compact DVD player on the back seat or anything else Jen had in the car?

Because he had to walk a mile+ back to her condo and would have been noticed carrying Jen's possessions.

There has been speculation about the suspect carrying a bag of some
sort in his right hand in the blown up photo. It could be Jennifer's briefcase however the photo is so grainy and distorted that it is hard to make that determination.

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[lilacwine]

I think whatever Jen had on her person at the time she was abducted went with her.
Handbag, cell phones, ipod...

I don't think she ever made it into her car that morning so the car contents would still be in it.

Why didn't the suspect take the compact DVD player on the back seat or anything else Jen had in the car?

Because he had to walk a mile+ back to her condo and would have been noticed carrying Jen's possessions.

There has been speculation about the suspect carrying a bag of some
sort in his right hand in the blown up photo. It could be Jennifer's briefcase however the photo is so grainy and distorted that it is hard to make that determination.

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A profiler or some similar expert said that she suspected he left the DVD player in the car hoping it would get broken into at the dump spot. She also speculated that the person knew the dump spot for the car was high crime/drug area. It was on a youtube video that I saw this.

But, he still knew it was her car... so for him to take the car... he either stalked her or caught her near the car.... I can't believe he'd ask her during the crime which car was hers to move it an cover tracks.

 

[Drivenon]

Drivenon, I wonder if you would be kind enough to post a link to the announcement stating the suspect is 5' 10" tall and has a shoe size of of men's 10.
This is a very important breakthrough I would have thought.

Mystery, I respectfully would have assumed to get a request for a link, but unfortunately, it is an opinion by a Univ of Gainseville Prof, that is subjective, and not being released at this time. I understand if that info makes classification as "opinion", but it is and was mine from day one; albeit confirmed from one source.

Jk was 5'8" tall, for me, this very healthy strong woman, would have put up a fight with a man from 5'1"- 5'3" that would have yielded evidence of same, somewhere; which it does not. I suspect this guy is the car mover, and not the unsub.. JMHO

 

[Myserty64]

Thanks drivenon. There are many opinions on this case but sadly little evidence.

If the abductor in this case pulled a gun or a knife on Jennifer it doesn't matter much how tall he was. Also if those types of weapons are used against you they render chemical mace and whistles pretty much useless.
Another factor often forgotten is the element of surprise the abductors have on their side.
Abductions don't happen in slow motion either. Jennifer could have been abducted and bundled into a vehicle (her own or someone elses) in less than ten seconds.

Thinking aloud I have no idea how this case can be solved. The big hope of course is a match being found for the DNA evidence LE apparently have. Even then a strong case will have to be built against the suspect.

I find it incredible nobody has looked at the photos of the suspect and thought 'hey, I know someone who looks a bit like that.' Even with the face obscured the suspect has a 'look' about them.

My opinion is a local resident did not commit this crime.
Of course my opinion is just that; an opinion.

Oh, by the way, I'd love to know what else LE are holding back on this case. They might not have much but they still know a lot more about Jennifer's disappearance than we do.

 

[drumstick]

A profiler or some similar expert said that she suspected he left the DVD player in the car hoping it would get broken into at the dump spot. She also speculated that the person knew the dump spot for the car was high crime/drug area. It was on a youtube video that I saw this.

But, he still knew it was her car... so for him to take the car... he either stalked her or caught her near the car.... I can't believe he'd ask her during the crime which car was hers to move it an cover tracks.

The profiler .... could be but it doesn't add up in my mind.

Why did the suspect pull in and then back up and park the car perfectly in the spot? And then sit there for 30 seconds before he got out and locked the door.
Why not leave the doors unlocked if he wanted someone to steal the car?

I think this person was told to ditch the car and he took it to the farthest point that he could comfortably walk back.

As for the suspect knowing which car belonged to Jennifer in her parking lot at Mosiac?
She could have been grabbed at he car or the suspect saw her condo number on the parking stone in front of her car.

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[Bobby62]

I think whatever Jen had on her person at the time she was abducted went with her.
Handbag, cell phones, ipod...

I don't think she ever made it into her car that morning so the car contents would still be in it.

Why didn't the suspect take the compact DVD player on the back seat or anything else Jen had in the car?

Because he had to walk a mile+ back to her condo and would have been noticed carrying Jen's possessions.

There has been speculation about the suspect carrying a bag of some
sort in his right hand in the blown up photo. It could be Jennifer's briefcase however the photo is so grainy and distorted that it is hard to make that determination.

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Blued by me

Can you please provide some kind of link that shows that he walked back to Jen's condo? I have never heard this before and am trying to piece some things together. I was thinking he walked to his own car in the shopping center parking lot or to his own place of residence. Just a guess at this point though.

Dr. Maurice Godwin has his geogeaphic profile of the drivers probable Home/work location. He is not always right but is close on enough occasions to warrant a look at what he thinks.

Also, can anyone tell me why it took so long for the grainy photos of the driver to be released. The long time period negated any chance of the public remembering seeing this man during the time frame in question. I did read where the OPD spokesman said they held it back as an investigative tool. That makes absolutely zero sense to render all public help non-existant.

 

[lilacwine]

I did some web searches on reviews of Mosaic at Millenium... several posters (and there are some bogus ones by competing property management co. trying to lure you to their sites) comment on robberies.... one poster said that robbers had keys....

Jen really could have seen something that caused this... and if there was a ring of thieves connected to the workers it would make a coverup plausible. She'd been away on vacation... maybe the workers didn't expect her back... she'd only stayed there one night since her return.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Bobby62... with the walking back to Jenn's condo, the dog tracked back from the parked car at Huntington on the Green, bypassing the main entrance and going through the woods behind her condo to her parking spot. That is the belief we all have of him walking back to the complex.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Also, can anyone tell me why it took so long for the grainy photos of the driver to be released. The long time period negated any chance of the public remembering seeing this man during the time frame in question. I did read where the OPD spokesman said they held it back as an investigative tool. That makes absolutely zero sense to render all public help non-existant.

They did release the "poi" still pictures shortly after Jennifer's abduction. OPD however made the decision not to release that video until almost 1 1/2 years later. I totally agree that it made zero sense to render all public help non existant. Although, I do believe that SOMEONE knows something... no matter how trivial or small.

 

[drumstick]

Blued by me

Can you please provide some kind of link that shows that he walked back to Jen's condo? I have never heard this before and am trying to piece some things together. I was thinking he walked to his own car in the shopping center parking lot or to his own place of residence. Just a guess at this point though.

Dr. Maurice Godwin has his geogeaphic profile of the drivers probable Home/work location. He is not always right but is close on enough occasions to warrant a look at what he thinks.

Also, can anyone tell me why it took so long for the grainy photos of the driver to be released. The long time period negated any chance of the public remembering seeing this man during the time frame in question. I did read where the OPD spokesman said they held it back as an investigative tool. That makes absolutely zero sense to render all public help non-existant.

The tracking dog tracked back to Mosiac from where the suspect had parked Jennifer's car at Huntington On The Green.

And I agree with you about the video. The video was released and then pulled back from the public's view.
The only reason I knew it existed at the time was because of an article written at abcactionnews.com that became public even though the video was never shown.

The grainy photos of the suspect were shown right away to the public but
it was never explained that this person actually drove and parked her car.

I remember (at the time) thinking that it could be a resident or an innocent person .... I'm sure most of the public thought the same thing and didn't give attention to it the way they would have if they had known this person was directly involved.

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[Bobby62]

They did release the "poi" still pictures shortly after Jennifer's abduction. OPD however made the decision not to release that video until almost 1 1/2 years later. I totally agree that it made zero sense to render all public help non existant. Although, I do believe that SOMEONE knows something... no matter how trivial or small.

IMHO, anyone who knows what happened has made the decision not to tell for whatever reason. It is probably due to their own involvement. The good samaritan trail is so cold right now that the only way we are going to find Jen is through a combination of perspiration and luck. I think it can be done. Maximum information is the starting point. Thanks for the help.

 

[Drivenon]

Bobby62... with the walking back to Jenn's condo, the dog tracked back from the parked car at Huntington on the Green, bypassing the main entrance and going through the woods behind her condo to her parking spot. That is the belief we all have of him walking back to the complex.

Was the scent dog tracking the POI or JK?

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Was the scent dog tracking the POI or JK?

Probably the million dollar question- the thought is that it was that of the POI

 

[Drivenon]

Probably the million dollar question- the thought is that it was that of the POI

The problem with that is if the POI had ever been to her condo, it is useless.
Do you know if the DNA sample or partial print were tested against anyone or put in Codis or AFIS?

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

The DNA and fingerprint(s) from the car has been entered into national databases however no match as of yet.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

The problem with that is if the POI had ever been to her condo, it is useless.
Do you know if the DNA sample or partial print were tested against anyone or put in Codis or AFIS?

Not useless if you consider the woods factor.,

 

[Drivenon]

The DNA and fingerprint(s) from the car has been entered into national databases however no match as of yet.

Have they been tested against the guests that were at her condo while she was away?