GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #1

[Cat99]

I lived in Miami for 10 years. The last 3 years I lived there I went to some of the worst areas on a regular basis (Liberty City, Allapatah, etc.) 3-4 days/week for work.

I went way more than 50 times, but I never felt threatened, was never shot at nor did I see anyone else shot. I certainly never felt the need to carry a gun to go there. Though, I was continually offered a multitude of drugs, many that I didn't know the names of

Regardless, how does the crime rate of Jax justify a man shooting 8-9 bullets into a car full of teen boys? I'm not understanding the logic to justify this?

Because there is no logic to justify it. It is an absurd assertation.

One of many "excuses" that have already been given.

 

[songline]

Who knows, What I think is the young man killed was not the intended target, I don't know there was a terget.

WHAT IS THE POINT of standing up for a man who emptied a gun into a boy?

 

[songline]

Do you think normal people would run away from, or towards gunshots?



Then why fire nine shots?

DRUNK and DEPRAVED.:furious:

 

[Sonya610]

While I totally get your frustration, the perp says he saw one and though I don't believe him, Sonya clearly stated she THINKS there was one and did not state it is a fact in the post you quoted.

I disagree with Sonya but she has every right to express her theory.

Excuse me????? I am simply saying statements have been made regarding a shotgun. Scroll back a few pages and see the comments regarding whether a shotgun could be concealed in one's pants.

I was not there. In this case nothing that has been said moves me to one opinion or another.

I don't really care what happened. Neither side is all that believable or convincing or sympathetic.

 

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You have sent 1 down range 1 or 100 more would make no difference!

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ONE SHOT at someone can injure or warn (not only kill)
and empty gun into someone is shoot to kill.

 

[songline]

The defence says there was a gun, it doesn't matter what the police did or did not find. If this guy believed a weapon was pointed at him, or it was (and not fired), the psychology behind how someone would react in those circumstances is exactly like how people can and do react in battle situations.

People who say they would or wouldnt have done this or that do not understand that. It is easy to be the armchair referee about what did or didn't or should have happened after the fact. It is not so easy for the person actually in that position when it happened.

It does not seem likely that this guy would have deliberately shot this kid for no reason. So, obviously, there was stuff going on in the confrontation that caused him to panic. Other than leaving the scene there does not appear to be any obvious attempts to flee or hide.

This is the reason why citizens should not be allowed to carry arms. It is far too easy to use them with serious consequences in response to situations that require an immediate reaction where they are acting on instinct.

I am still waiting for the situation where someone pulls a gun, and half a dozen armed bystanders also pull their guns triggering an armed shootout where no one knows who the bad guys are and just shoot everyone they see. It is going to happen sooner or later.

The fact that he can leave and not call the cops is a big deal.

I could not care less of the BS Psychology.

NOW that he did leave the scene - I also question 9 shots.
He is an adult, he did not have to go that far, or even be in their space.
BUT WHO CARRIES A GUN TO HIS SONS WEDDING????

 

[daisy7]

Excuse me????? I am simply saying statements have been made regarding a shotgun. Scroll back a few pages and see the comments regarding whether a shotgun could be concealed in one's pants.

I was not there. In this case nothing that has been said moves me to one opinion or another.

I don't really care what happened. Neither side is all that believable or convincing or sympathetic.

Um, ok. I would imagine that posters who care about this case would be posting on this thread, but I guess not.

 

[songline]

IMHO, I believe that this case AGAIN proves that Florida needs to revise their SYG law. It's too easy to hide behind fake justice, IMHO, and get away with murder. They also SHOULD, IMHO, review all those legally carrying a concealed weapon. Some people shouldn't be allowed in public with a loaded gun. It makes it too easy.

I don't care if the teenagers got smart mouthed with him, but I'm not so SURE they did. This guy had almost 24 hours to think up his story. We haven't heard any witness statements. We don't know that the shooter is telling the truth. We just hear his attorney who's job is to get their client off, no matter what.

This young man and his friends were doing nothing wrong, that any parent of a teenager can see. This is typical of what teenagers do, listen to loud music. I hear it every day driving down the street. From ALL accounts that I've seen in videos and print, there hasn't been ONE person say anything other than good things about this boy. Heck, even those who spoke highly of him seemed like really nice kids and people.

I'll wait until I see more evidence before making further judgement. Right now, it looks to me that there is a shooter accused of murder and attempted murder and a dead teenager killed over something senseless, ie. loud music. Then I see his heartbroken parents trying to calm everyone and make something positive out of their heartbreak, starting a foundation for 'at risk youth' and 'repeal Florida's SYG Law.'

Such a heartbreaking situation, all around.

JMHO
fran

I totally agree.

 

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Yuppers. I agree completely and thought the same thing.

I think they pointed a sawed off shotgun and things got out of control, and he started firing and hit the wrong youth. The youth with the shotgun went scurrying fast.

I do think he may have been tipsy. If someone points a sawed off shotgun at me at point blank range WITH loved ones in the car I am going to say "Sorry Sir" and back the vehicle out of there.

Shot gun trumps handgun.

But Who supposedly had the gun? why empty his on one kid?

If the shooter shot from his car he had an additional choice.. leave....

 

[fran]

Hello Fran,

I want to follow all our TOS here and definitely agree that we should not re-victimize a victim and we have to go on the facts as we know it to date from MSM + articles. I am just confused by some of what you say because it seems there are assumptions being made that may not end up true. So, to help us learn how to properly post here, I listed some responses to your post and would appreciate it you could clarify.
I am not trying to argue at all and am being polite and just want to better learn and this is a good example to me.

Just to answer your questions:

We don't need to ignore what the shooter's lawyer is alleging about the shot gun, but it is 'alleged,' as there is NO PROOF there was another weapon involved. As a matter of fact, LE said, at least to this point, there was NO SHOT GUN FOUND.

So, please use the term, 'alleged,' when something isn't proven. Just like we can say the person doing the shooting was the 'shooter,' as that's been admitted by him. But to refer to him as a murderer, prior to trial, is a no-no. He's the shooter or 'alleged murderer,' until a verdict is reached by a jury of his peers.

As far as the auto burglary being non violent, it wasn't a threat to the body of another human being, as it was b&e of an unoccupied vehicle. Therefore, it was nonviolent.

OTOH, the shooter may not have a record of previous violence, but the shooting of an occupied vehicle, there's no explanation needed.

We do not sleuth victims of crime and we especially do NOT sleuth minors.

I believe there's one thing we can all agree on, this was a senseless tragedy and didn't have to happen.

JMHO
fran

 

[songline]

From his pictures, I could see him shopping at some upscale place, at least for his parents for Christmas gifts. He looks like his family isn't hurting for money. I've read since I noticed that that his dad works at Delta. Solid. Good for them

You cant tell a man by his cloths, but you can by his actions.
Dad works at Delta does not make anyone rich at all. the guy can look good and so what.
One can dress in all Gap and look good too. Upscale it is not.
but rich or poor does not make one a human being. MOO

 

[Isabelle]

BBM - It is my understanding that one of Mr. Dunn's stories via his attorney was that the teens left and drove around the block and ditched the gun and then came back.

1st problem - there is no "block" to drive around at that location.

2nd - JSO - is very thorough, to put it mildly. The car and surrounding areas were searched and there were no guns or drugs found.

Looking forward to reading/hearing witness accounts, since at least one witness thought it was important to write down Dunn's license plate no. That witness most likely saw something that made them feel it was important to get that information.

ETA: Dunn probably didn't realize there was a witness present.

 

[Isabelle]

I think Dunn knew if he claimed to see a shotgun, he might be protected by the SYG law or his attorney may have told him to make the claim, as she certainly would be aware of the requirements for SYG. Looking forward to witness accounts.

 

[Isabelle]

Can Dunn's girlfriend have charges brought against her. Leaving with him, knowing what he did and not doing anything about it??

 

[writer7]

You cant tell a man by his cloths, but you can by his actions.
Dad works at Delta does not make anyone rich at all. the guy can look good and so what.
One can dress in all Gap and look good too. Upscale it is not.
but rich or poor does not make one a human being. MOO

No, no, I'm not shallow, either. But I do notice things Sometimes folks can't tell gangbangers from fairly preppy kids is why I shared my thoughts on that.

 

[Cat99]

Looking forward to reading/hearing witness accounts, since at least one witness thought it was important to write down Dunn's license plate no. That witness most likely saw something that made them feel it was important to get that information.

ETA: Dunn probably didn't realize there was a witness present.

There were more witnesses, inside and outside of that Gate Station, and gave their statements to JSO.

 

[LolaMoon08]

BBM I think that has yet to be determined in either case.

Oh, rossva, we meet again! Very nice to see you here....................

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[Davita]

Very true. But also, how could she distinguish he was the one shooting? If I hear 8-9 shots, I'm not even going outside. I'm going to stay put. Was she already in the car? Coming out?

Did she admit hearing the shots? I cant remember reading that she heard the shots.

 

[LolaMoon08]

BBM - It is my understanding that one of Mr. Dunn's stories via his attorney was that the teens left and drove around the block and ditched the gun and then came back.

1st problem - there is no "block" to drive around at that location.

2nd - JSO - is very thorough, to put it mildly. The car and surrounding areas were searched and there were no guns or drugs found.

Cat99,

Please do not mistake my post that you read as anything that supports the shooters story. I am 100%, if you would read back to all my post, very against what Mr. Dunn did. I do not believe a word coming from his lawyers mouth or his mouth for that matter.

However, what I do love about this forum is that it is a discussion forum and because the lawyer for the shooter is claiming that the victim or even the victims friends had a gun, we do have the... how do I say it... right to discuss what they are saying in defense.

It is a bunch of crap if you ask me, but I am willing to dicuss it.

 

[Davita]

Maybe skittles and iced tea?

No, he was buying gum and soda.