GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #1

[mobeydick]

I haven't seen anything that says the teens were trying to boss over a public place unless being there without Mr. Dunn's approval counts.

Stating the shooter rightes to peace and quite are subjugated to someone playing loud music is just that!!

 

[mobeydick]

It matters if the teens actually made a threat of death and represented a means to carry it out or not. So far it seems we only have the word of a man who had every reason to lie.

And teens that heve every reason to lie!

 

[Donjeta]

And teens that heve every reason to lie!

Not nearly as much as somebody who faces a murder charge. JMO.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Sarcasm on:

That's it!! I demand all music be banned from ever being played in any public place! All department stores, all gas stations, all elevators, should respect my right to peace and quiet because it is all about ME and only ME!! No more children singing Christmas carols in the malls!! No more outside concerts (I might hear it while driving by) held by High School bands to raise money to go to New York City. No more cheerleaders blasting their music during their car washes to pay for their training camps! On... and on... and on...

Sarcasm off.

ETA: I was one of those High School Cheerleaders who participated in these car washes (where music was played loudly) and we never had any complaints. May I add that the popular songs at the time were rap songs such as "Daisy Dukes" and "Tootsie Roll." Needless to say, we raised enough money to pay for all of us to attend training camp at the University of Miami.

 

[Donjeta]

Stating the shooter rightes to peace and quite are subjugated to someone playing loud music is just that!!

Well I do hope that the shooter used a silencer so nobody's peace and quiet was disturbed over the gunshot noise...

It is unfortunately not always guaranteed that public places are a haven of peace and quiet.

 

[songline]

If I go to Jacksonville I stay on the Eastside as much as possible. I'm in the construction business and there are a few business I have needed to go to down town for supplys or custom made products. I don't do that at night. 25 years ago when I was married the company my wife worked for had a warehouse on Stewart St. and we had to go there about one time a month, we didn't go at night. I've never been shot down there that's because I try to stay out of the bad areas.

I don't see anyone as the victim in the case, yet, Not enough information to make that kind of claim. This site exists so folks like us can speculate on what may have happened on any one event. Almost every poster has tried to blame the shooter for what happened that night.
Their only reason, a 17yo black male was killed and a 45 yo white male did it. Like that happens 10 times a day or something. Yet almost every poster either ignores the most likely chain of events or makes up outlandish ideas to come to their conclusions.

This is simple to figure out. Two people who should have never met, met!

I do not agree with you (what else is new) LOL

Glad you don’t hang out there... I was there 3 times driving through, stopped for gas, and had no interest in the area. If you were shot there 50 times, maybe there are other areas to get supplies, your life is worth more than saving a dollar, there must be other places to get it for a good price.


BBM: Almost every poster here has not blamed the shooter because a 17 year old black boy is dead.
THAT IS NOT THE REASON AT ALL. :nono:

WE ALL did not hear about a 911 call or that he returned to meet with the cops
(assuming he was afraid to wait right there).
NOP the guy ran and never called LE. he was 45 and the most mature of the entire clan there,
yes he should have known better, handled it better and not run.

ALSO if he did not like the music he was not the boss of this public parking lot.

If there is not enough information about the case? How is it you can only stand up for the shooter?

 

[songline]

Stating the shooter rightes to peace and quite are subjugated to someone playing loud music is just that!!

ONLY if he has a lease on that parking lot can he decide if it should be quite. :rocker:

BBM: RIGHTS TO PEACE AND QUITE in a public arena - sure :waitasec::floorlaugh:

He does not get that right in a public arena. :nono:
He can leave, YAP he can speed right out of there.

 

[songline]

And teens that heve every reason to lie!

BBM: You are adding your own twist to everything.
Maybe these kids go to church? (I am not saying they do)
maybe we really do not know.....HOW do you know they LIE?

ARE they facing jail time? nope!
he is facing LWOP - why dont you assume that he lies?

 

[LolaMoon08]

I do not agree with you (what else is new) LOL

Glad you don’t hang out there... I was there 3 times driving through, stopped for gas, and had no interest in the area. If you were shot there 50 times, maybe there are other areas to get supplies, your life is worth more than saving a dollar, there must be other places to get it for a good price.


BBM: Almost every poster here has not blamed the shooter because a 17 year old black boy is dead.
THAT IS NOT THE REASON AT ALL. :nono:

WE ALL did not hear about a 911 call or that he returned to meet with the cops (assuming he was afraid to wait right there). NOP they guy ran and never called LE. he was 45 and the most mature of the entire clan there, yes he should have known better, handled it better and not run.
ALSO if he did not like the music he was not the boss of this public parking lot.

If there is not enough information about the case? How is it you can only stand up for the shooter?

I blame the shooter based on the fact that he has been arrested, charged and is being held without bond on murder and attempted murder charges. I trust that Law Enforcement had/has enough evidence (that we do not have) and that these charges are justified.

I also base my opinion, at this time, on the fact that none of the teens have been arrested or charged with any crime related to anything that happened at the gas station that night.

Another reason, 1) He fled the scene of the shooting. I can understand flee'ing to a safer location and then calling 911, but it has been pointed out that Mr. Dunn waited for his girlfriend to come out of the store before leaving the scene. I believe this action (waiting) shows that Mr. Dunn was not fearful and he was completely content with what he had just done. Saying he didn't know he killed someone (or seriously injured someone) is B/S because the act of waiting shows he knew whatever threat he is claiming happened was diminished after he unloaded the gun into that vehicle.

2) After learning about the death of Jordan, he fled again. He had plans with his son that day (which never happened) so intially, he had no plans on returning home so soon. Which, imo, shows his intent to flee.

I do not believe he had any intentions of turning himself in. I believe the only reason he was arrested, charged and is now being held without bond is because a witness wrote down his license plate tag.

None of my opinions on this case includes age, social status, or race. Just straight-up facts based on the limited information we have in this case to date. I will admit we have limited information and my opinion is subject to change as more evidence is released. But for right now, I believe Mr. Dunn is 100% responsible for what happened that night.

 

[mobeydick]

Not nearly as much as somebody who faces a murder charge. JMO.

Atually if it could be proven any one if the teens made a theath of death they all could be charged with murder. They have just as much at stake.

 

[mobeydick]

Well I do hope that the shooter used a silencer so nobody's peace and quiet was disturbed over the gunshot noise...

It is unfortunately not always guaranteed that public places are a haven of peace and quiet.

Correct but stating someone who asked another to turn down some music is acting like a boss is just down right stupid. The person blasting the music is clearly the one acting like a boss of the area!

 

[Donjeta]

What's the statute?

Suppose it could be proven that the teen that died made a death threat. I really don't understand how his friends could be charged with murder just for being friends with him.

 

[LolaMoon08]

What's the statute?

Suppose it could be proven that the teen that died made a death threat. I really don't understand how his friends could be charged with murder just for being friends with him.

I'd like to know where each bullet penetrated. Wish we had a diagram, much like an autopsy report that shows the bullets point of entry/exit, on the vehicle. There is a name for it, but I can not recall what it is?

 

[songline]

I blame the shooter based on the fact that he has been arrested, charged and is being held without bond on murder and attempted murder charges. I trust that Law Enforcement had/has enough evidence (that we do not have) and that these charges are justified.

I also base my opinion, at this time, on the fact that none of the teens have been arrested or charged with any crime related to anything that happened at the gas station that night.

Another reason, 1) He fled the scene of the shooting. I can understand flee'ing to a safer location and then calling 911, but it has been pointed out that Mr. Dunn waited for his girlfriend to come out of the store before leaving the scene. I believe this action (waiting) shows that Mr. Dunn was not fearful and he was completely content with what he had just done. Saying he didn't know he killed someone (or seriously injured someone) is B/S because the act of waiting shows he knew whatever threat he is claiming happened was diminished after he unloaded the gun into that vehicle.

2) After learning about the death of Jordan, he fled again. He had plans with his son that day (which never happened) so intially, he had no plans on returning home so soon. Which, imo, shows his intent to flee.

I do not believe he had any intentions of turning himself in. I believe the only reason he was arrested, charged and is now being held without bond is because a witness wrote down his license plate tag.

None of my opinions on this case includes age, social status, or race. Just straight-up facts based on the limited information we have in this case to date. I will admit we have limited information and my opinion is subject to change as more evidence is released. But for right now, I believe Mr. Dunn is 100% responsible for what happened that night.

ITA...
It baffles me when anyone can say he has been shot 50 times but can stand up for a shooter whose story is simply “I did not like the music, did not dial 911 and did not go to LE, fled in hopes never to be found….but LE found him because someone picked up his license and reported him.
HOW do some folks stand up for this <modsnip>.

 

[songline]

What's the statute?

Suppose it could be proven that the teen that died made a death threat. I really don't understand how his friends could be charged with murder just for being friends with him.

If they find a shot gun, they will find finger prints and who may have threatened him.
But this seems to be a fabricated BS story.
There is no shot gun, and one cannot be arrested because your friend shoots off with the mouth. You can shoot your mouth off, all day. The shot gun story came later after he got a lawyer.


The only one who will get LWOP is the shooter who killed a young boy.

 

[LolaMoon08]

ITA...
It baffles me when anyone can say he has been shot 50 times but can stand up for a shooter whose story is simply &#8220;I did not like the music, did not dial 911 and did not go to LE, fled in hopes never to be found&#8230;.but LE found him because someone picked up his license and reported him.
HOW do some folks stand up for this <modsnip>.

BBM I would answer that, but I like this forum too much. :fence:

 

[songline]

Atually if it could be proven any one if the teens made a theath of death they all could be charged with murder. They have just as much at stake.

:floorlaugh: If I go to a parking lot and yell at you in rage "I will kill you"
but I am with 4 other people they can all get locked up? :waitasec:

I don&#8217;t know what you read but I alone would be responsible IF I was threatening you/anyone.

I have heard people yell this in anger but they never ever got locked up, or shot at.

 

[songline]

Correct but stating someone who asked another to turn down some music is acting like a boss is just down right stupid. The person blasting the music is clearly the one acting like a boss of the area!

PUBLIC ARENA IS PUBLIC... If you don’t like it, you can leave.
You cant tell anyone what to do, they have rights too, you cant shoot someone because they mouth off, and if they are wise azz kids we were all their age one day, maybe we did not mouth off, but I sure had loud music and my elders did not like it. but they did not shoot me for it.
EVEN if the kids refused to lower the music, he had no rights, but to leave.

and if you shoot you DO CALL LE. Period end of story.
RUNING IS RUNING and if you are running there must be a reason.

 

[songline]

BBM I would answer that, but I like this forum too much. :fence:

LOL I have to move on, and stop taking the bait....

 

[mobeydick]

What's the statute?

Suppose it could be proven that the teen that died made a death threat. I really don't understand how his friends could be charged with murder just for being friends with him.

The fact someone was killed make this a felony.
(1)(a) Any person not standing in the relation of husband or wife, parent or grandparent, child or grandchild, brother or sister, by consanguinity or affinity to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a third degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(b) Any person who maintains or assists the principal or accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed the offense of child abuse, neglect of a child, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child under 18 years of age, or murder of a child under 18 years of age, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact unless the court finds that the person is a victim of domestic violence.

(c) Any person who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a capital, life, first degree, or second degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(2)(a) If the felony offense committed is a capital felony, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b) If the felony offense committed is a life felony or a felony of the first degree, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c) If the felony offense committed is a felony of the second degree or a felony of the third degree ranked in level 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(d) If the felony offense committed is a felony of the third degree ranked in level 1 or level 2 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) Except as otherwise provided in s. 921.0022, for purposes of sentencing under chapter 921 and determining incentive gain-time eligibility under chapter 944, the offense of accessory after the fact is ranked two levels below the ranking under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023 of the felony offense committed.






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