Found Deceased FL - Kristina French, 53, Neptune Beach, 21 Nov 2017 *Arrest*

[Dixie811]

Perhaps he did not have a passport. Were his family travellers? Where I live, children do not have their own passports until they are 16. Their details are added to a parent's passport before that.

It’s very possible he doesn’t. He would have to have his own if he traveled out of the country, though, you aren’t just added on to a parent’s passport here.

I think it was said that his dad’s recent vacation was out of the country. I wonder if Logan had traveled internationally with dad before.

Additionally, if he really wanted to get out of the country, he could have gotten across the border into Mexico much easier, no? ID-wise? I think anyone can just walk into Mexico from the US at the border-crossings, right? It would have only been a few extra hours of drive time.

 

[strawberry]

So if by chance he really did not do this, then what do you all think?

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I think it’s a little far fetched to think he didn’t do this


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[MissMalowe]

I wish we knew if the school called and when. And would Grandma get that call or Dad?

Me too because I think it would give at least a little more info in regards to whether there were signs earlier for the adult(s)/parents that something was off/wrong.

 

[therion20]

I wonder if whatever happened had something to do with his sugar levels. Low blood sugar can lead to aggression, incoherent speech etc. I can't form an opinion on how things occurred but for some reason I think it has to do with his blood sugar. I could be wrong of course.

 

[Blue5591]

Thus was just posted:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/mobil...ble-logan-motts-nanny-speaks-out/77-494796784

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[abeaman02]

It’s very possible he doesn’t. He would have to have his own if he traveled out of the country, though, you aren’t just added on to a parent’s passport here.

I think it was said that his dad’s recent vacation was out of the country. I wonder if Logan had traveled internationally with dad before.

Additionally, if he really wanted to get out of the country, he could have gotten across the border into Mexico much easier, no? ID-wise? I think anyone can just walk into Mexico from the US at the border-crossings, right? It would have only been a few extra hours of drive time.

I live in the metro Detroit area and we cross over to Canada all the time with the kids. Until they are 18 they only need a birth certificate to travel to a border country (Canada, Mexico). Once you get your Drivers License you can get an Enhanced License which allows anyone to cross over to a border country with only that. It appears to be the same in New York.
https://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/get-enhanced-driver-license-edl


Regardless he would not have been able to cross with only his permit but may have brought his birth certificate and a notarized letter from his parents:

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/requirements-minors-crossing-canadian-border-61519.html
"All minors crossing the border without two parents must travel with additional documentation. Children traveling without a parent or traveling with a single parent who does not have sole custody must be accompanied by a signed and notarized letter stating the absent parent's approval of the visit. The letter should also provide the current telephone number and address of the absent parent. In the event that a parent or guardian has sole legal custody of a child, paperwork stating such should also be presented to avoid delays."

 

[MsMarple]

No, he did not. I pointed out in an earlier post that *if* he had planned to go to Canada, he would have needed a driver's license and birth certificate (or passport) so I was wondering if he had a state issued ID and his birth certificate or passport on him at the time he was detained or if not having those things was perhaps the reason for the illegal U-turn

Apparently he did have his learners permit, issued on September 14. I haven't seen any info in msm about his passport (or even if he has one) or other papers.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/what-s-next-for-neptune-beach-teen-sought-in-grandmother-s-death

And as far as the u-turn that led him to being detained it's not really clear. Maybe he realized he might be caught and so he tried to return to the U.S.? Maybe he didn't realize he needed either a passport or his birth certificate, the car registration and proof of insurance to enter Canada?

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...oard/threads/entry-by-road-into-canada.66864/

A teenage Florida boy, considered a person of interest in the death of his grandmother, was detained Friday night at the Peace Bridge by U.S. Customs and Border Protection as he tried to enter Canada.

Logan Mott, 15, made a wrong turn and drove onto the Peace Bridge shortly after 7 p.m., according to Aaron E. Bowker, public affairs liaison for Customs and Border Protection in Buffalo.

The teen made a U-turn before reaching the Canadian side and stopped at the U.S. inspection booths, Bowker said. Officers found he was wanted on a warrant for grand theft auto from Neptune Beach, Fla.

http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/25/f...-in-shallow-grave-detained-at-buffalo-border/

 

[MsMarple]

Forgot to add:

Authorities from Florida arrived in Buffalo Sunday and an extradition hearing was expected to take place within the week, possible as early as Monday, according to a Buffalo Police spokesman. Under a typical extradition process, Mott would appear before a judge in Buffalo and either ask for a hearing on the for the return trip.

"After confirming the warrant with the Neptune Beach Police Department, CBP was advised that Mr. Mott was a person of interest in a murder investigation in Jacksonville, Fla.," Bowker said. "Mott has been detained and is currently being held by the Buffalo Police Department on the grand theft auto warrant."

Bowker said Mott was alone in the car and was taken into custody without incident.
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Mott was driving a 2015 Dart when he was stopped at the Peace Bridge, Bowker said. He declined comment on whether any weapons were found in the car, because the investigation is ongoing.

"He didn't get into Canada. He turned around on the bridge and came back, so the Canadian authorities never saw him. He just turned around on the bridge on his own," Bowker said.

http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/25/f...-in-shallow-grave-detained-at-buffalo-border/

 

[Jennifer17]

I wonder if whatever happened had something to do with his sugar levels. Low blood sugar can lead to aggression, incoherent speech etc. I can't form an opinion on how things occurred but for some reason I think it has to do with his blood sugar. I could be wrong of course.

Not sure that he would be able to drive for two or three day with low blood sugar without a serious mishap.

 

[therion20]

LE has not disclosed if he had the missing guns in the car right? I wonder if he used them as payment for something.

Apparently he did have his learners permit, issued on September 14. I haven't seen any info in msm about his passport (or even if he has one) or other papers.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/what-s-next-for-neptune-beach-teen-sought-in-grandmother-s-death

And as far as the u-turn that led him to being detained it's not really clear. Maybe he realized he might be caught and so he tried to return to the U.S.? Maybe he didn't realize he needed either a passport or his birth certificate, the car registration and proof of insurance to enter Canada?

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...oard/threads/entry-by-road-into-canada.66864/



http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/25/f...-in-shallow-grave-detained-at-buffalo-border/

 

[therion20]

I'm not saying he spend those days with low or high blood sugar, because it has been said he had insulin with him to last weeks.I was referring to the moment that lead to his grandmother's dead, if he is responsible for it

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Kristina was buried in a shallow grave. I can't imagine any intruder or killer worrying about burying anyone. And if it was an intruder or someone known to Kristina or Logan, I would think that Logan would have called 911 in the event he got away.

 

[abeaman02]

Right before you actually get on the bridge to go to Canada there are signs telling you to have your ID ready and be prepared to stop on the Canadian side and beyond that there is a turn around before customs on the American side in case you are not prepared and want to go back. The turn around is not a mandatory stop but still monitored by a customs officer sitting in a marked car and if they want to flag you they can. It sounds like that is what happened with him. Something about his turn around may have seemed suspicious so they pulled him over it is totally up to there discretion. IMO I cross over to Canada frequently from the Detroit side and it is not uncommon to see them pull someone over at the turn around.

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm not saying he spend those days with low or high blood sugar, because it has been said he had insulin with him to last weeks.I was referring to the moment that lead to his grandmother's dead, if he is responsible for it

Yes, I get that, but diabetics are pretty regimented about their need of insulin and every one that I have known just take it on board, and don't kill people when their blood sugar gets low. They eat some food or jellybeans.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I don't know what happened and I may not necessarily agree, but I expect this to be a defense: http://www.hypodiab.com/article.aspx?volumeID=12&issueID=14&articleID=54

 

[Jennifer17]

Right before you actually get on the bridge to go to Canada there are signs telling you to have your ID ready and be prepared to stop on the Canadian side and beyond that there is a turn around before customs on the American side in case you are not prepared and want to go back. The turn around is not a mandatory stop but still monitored by a customs officer sitting in a marked car and if they want to flag you they can. It sounds like that is what happened with him. Something about his turn around may have seemed suspicious so they pulled him over it is totally up to there discretion. IMO I cross over to Canada frequently from the Detroit side and it is not uncommon to see them pull someone over at the turn around.

Yes, this. Would Canada let a 15year old cross the border?

 

[therion20]

I have very good experience with type 1 diabetes and the teenage years are pretty bad for a number of reasons. I'm not saying diabetics kill people when they get low and to think I suggested that would be ridiculous.

Yes, I get that, but diabetics are pretty regimented about their need of insulin and every one that I have known just take it on board, and don't kill people when their blood sugar gets low. They eat some food or jellybeans.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Some interesting articles for us to discuss:
http://www.denverpost.com/2005/06/13/low-blood-sugar-upheld-as-defense-for-attacker/

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ee-20121016_1_kissimmee-dad-killings-daughter

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pdi.854/full?scrollTo=references

 

[Blue5591]

I don't know what happened and I may not necessarily agree, but I expect this to be a defense: http://www.hypodiab.com/article.aspx?volumeID=12&issueID=14&articleID=54

I wonder if he had a continuous glucose monitor attached to the pump he wasn't wearing. Even without it, his labs still may be able to show what his numbers were within past week, but not sure.

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[therion20]

I don't know what happened and I may not necessarily agree, but I expect this to be a defense: http://www.hypodiab.com/article.aspx?volumeID=12&issueID=14&articleID=54

Thanks for posting this link, this is exactly what I was talking about in my first post, but somehow got misinterpreted.