Found Deceased FL - Lane Graves, 2, Walt Disney World, 14 June 2016 #1

[MzOpinion8d]

Well, then he died by drowning. At least that's more humane.

Without being overly graphic, I was thinking maybe the alligator shook him hard enough to cause his death.

Probably because I want to believe it was instantaneous and he didn't suffer or feel terror.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

This is just horrible! I saw an article last night when this first happened and I thought there's no way that child will be found. I've never been so happy to be wrong!! I am thankful that the parents will be able to bury their child because I can't imagine not being able to do that.

Having said that, while I don't blame the parents, I do have to wonder how they thought it was safe to have little ones near a body of water, in Florida, and at night no less. It's no secret there are alligators! And there are signs posted about it not being a swimming area, so wading should be out of the question as well.

However, I cannot for the life of me understand why that area, or any area with a body of water in the park, is not cordoned off! Disney should have taken better precautions to keep an eye on these areas and make sure to know if alligators are in the water or not. It's common sense really! When you have nightly fireworks shows and families with children... and little ones are always attracted to water... this just seems like a huge mistake on their part. And accident yes, but one that was just waiting to happen in my opinion. I am just so angry!! And I'm trying to understand. Why??! It just seems like this could have been prevented! It should have been prevented!! My gosh, this poor family. My heart breaks for them. RIP little Lane :tears:

While I understand your sentiment, we have to be careful about becoming a nanny-state. We have warnings not to take warning tags off of things!

Not trying to be insensitive but if we are going to put barricade fences around Florida to protect people, you'll have to cover a lot of territory.

We have miles of ocean beaches that have sharks
We have lagoons, swamps, lakes & creeks that have alligators

RIP lil' guy

Moo

 

[LLC]

Without being overly graphic, I was thinking maybe the alligator shook him hard enough to cause his death.

Probably because I want to believe it was instantaneous and he didn't suffer or feel terror.

Agree. Thankfully, I bet it was exactly like you say & he was too young to know the terror. Only his parents know it.

I pray for the other child as life is changed forever...

 

[Zuri]

Without being overly graphic, I was thinking maybe the alligator shook him hard enough to cause his death.

Probably because I want to believe it was instantaneous and he didn't suffer or feel terror.

I believe it was instantaneous for the reason you implied and the bite force of over 2300 psi. Because I want to believe it too.

ETA: I just read there were few puncture wounds on his body.

 

[gregjrichards]

I've just seen a photo of this little guy and it breaks your heart. I hope his parents and sister are getting the support they need to deal with the magnitude of what has happened. I can't imagine the pain they must feel.

May little Lane Greaves Rest. In. Peace.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Heartbroken, but relieved he was found intact.

:rose: RIP Lane :rose:

Prayers and hugs to the the parents and his 4-year old sister.

 

[sonjay]

Without being overly graphic, I was thinking maybe the alligator shook him hard enough to cause his death.

Probably because I want to believe it was instantaneous and he didn't suffer or feel terror.

Don't read the following if you're squeamish:







Alligators don't shake; they roll. It's called the death roll.

 

[cvaldez1975]

there was a previous non fatal attack in 1986. and I think one attack is enough for better precautions to be taken.

Disney does take precautions against alligators, though. They regularly have people go through and make sure there are none on their property, and if there are, they fish them out immediately. However, sometimes an alligator does get through, because the water is their natural habitat and they can't prevent every single one from coming through. They don't have a 24/7 alligator patrol.

They shouldn't have to block off every body of water with a fence because of the one-in-a-million chance that somebody might be attacked by an alligator, something that had never happened before in over 70 years of operation. Especially when they already had a "NO SWIMMING" sign.

 

[keeleydoll]

RIP Lane [emoji24] I give no blame to anyone. That said, travelers, travel agents, resort owners, etc. need to be aware of any and all potential dangers where they (or their customers) are traveling. Alligators are a reality in potentially every body of fresh water from mid-NC costal areas southward, as are water moccasins up to VA Beach. Regardless as to if it's the potential for a slot canyon in AZ to flood or warm, stagnant water in the deep South of the US to harbor brain eating amoebas, we each have to take responsibility for the safety of ourselves, our clients and our families.


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[Tssiemer]

Don't read the following if you're squeamish:







Alligators don't shake; they roll. It's called the death roll.

Don't search for that on YouTube.....


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[Boodles]

Nothing will bring Lane back, but if I understand correctly, Disney is in for a massive lawsuit. There was a movie showing on the beach, is that right? There should have been gator warning signs, not just "no swimming," especially in the evening/at night when gators tend to feed. A gator will grab and go, they're so fast, they grab dogs from sea walls in a flash. A beach is a far easier situation for them to stalk.

It's so sickening and I'm angry at Disney. I understand that this lagoon is part of a wildlife preserve and Disney can't remove the gators, but they should have warnings posted and enforced.

 

[Jax49]

Nothing will bring Lane back, but if I understand correctly, Disney is in for a massive lawsuit. There was a movie showing on the beach, is that right? There should have been gator warning signs, not just "no swimming," especially in the evening/at night when gators tend to feed. A gator will grab and go, they're so fast, they grab dogs from sea walls in a flash. A beach is a far easier situation for them to stalk.

It's so sickening and I'm angry at Disney. I understand that this lagoon is part of a wildlife preserve and Disney can't remove the gators, but they should have warnings posted and enforced.

Gators over 4 feet are removed.

 

[sonjay]

While I understand your sentiment, we have to be careful about becoming a nanny-state. We have warnings not to take warning tags off of things!

Not trying to be insensitive but if we are going to put barricade fences around Florida to protect people, you'll have to cover a lot of territory.

We have miles of ocean beaches that have sharks
We have lagoons, swamps, lakes & creeks that have alligators

RIP lil' guy

Moo

Yeah, that's the thing of it: We are such a nanny state by now that people expect everything in life to be 100% safe. If there's not a fence or a barricade or multitudes of huge warning signs, they think they can do whatever they want without ever considering the risks.

Life is full of risks. We can't get rid of them. Alligators. Sharks. Drunk drivers. Heck, mosquitos! I remember when the biggest worry from mosquitos was an itchy spot. Then we had to worry about West Nile Virus, then chikungunya, and now the Zika virus. If you go outdoors, you're at risk for Zika.

Sometimes bad things happen, and it's not anyone's fault. That doesn't make it any less heartbreaking, but there's not always blame to be placed.

 

[LLC]

Nothing will bring Lane back, but if I understand correctly, Disney is in for a massive lawsuit. There was a movie showing on the beach, is that right? There should have been gator warning signs, not just "no swimming," especially in the evening/at night when gators tend to feed. A gator will grab and go, they're so fast, they grab dogs from sea walls in a flash. A beach is a far easier situation for them to stalk.

It's so sickening and I'm angry at Disney. I understand that this lagoon is part of a wildlife preserve and Disney can't remove the gators, but they should have warnings posted and enforced.

It will never get to a lawsuit. They will pay willingly...

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It will never get to a lawsuit. They will pay willingly...

Like Alton Towers in the UK. Last year there was a terrible accident with limbs lost (but thankfully not lives). Within hours they admitted responsibility and promised to pay whatever was needed for rehabilitation, their PR was impressive. It was, and still is, big news here as it's our no1 theme park.

 

[Meletx]

I was just at that small beach area of The Grand Floridian resort. I was not once warned about alligators, which is why this bothers me so much. Not everyone has the wherewithal to be on the lookout for them. I would suspect the majority of people that have never seen an alligator in its natural habitat would think to look out for them. I certainly had no idea as I sat in one of the beach chairs near that exact area of water. I am so upset over this. These parents had no idea. Lots of love for that sweet boy's family.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I feel like Disney has been pretty quiet. We've been mostly hearing from the sheriffs office.


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[Sonya610]

Yes, drowning is preferable to being unrecognizable because he was prey.

Personally I do not necessarily agree with that. Death by drowning may make for an intact corpse, but it doesn't necessarily make it more humane for the victim.

A crushed skull resulting in sudden death, or at least unconsciousness is more humane. One good thing about a severe and brutal animal attack is that the victims usually don't feel pain (adrenaline is too high).

Death by drowning means the parents can ruminate over the fact that the baby COULD have been saved if he had been reached in 6+ minutes.

 

[Hoosier952]

Such as sad case. A kid being a kid and a freak accident happened.

I've lived in Indiana my entire life, but vacationed almost every year in Florida. I've had to close encounters with gators even being well aware that they were there. One was sitting next to the sidewalk of the vacation house we were renting. I walked within 3 ft of it and didn't notice it until my walk back to the house from the car. It was a smaller one, maybe 4 ft long or so, but I decided it would be best to take the long way around and go through the back door. The second was right next to a bike trail and much bigger and I couldn't see it due to the bushes. Neither one were aggressive at all, but neither one moved after the close encounter.

 

[Stripehaven]

Nothing will bring Lane back, but if I understand correctly, Disney is in for a massive lawsuit. There was a movie showing on the beach, is that right? There should have been gator warning signs, not just "no swimming," especially in the evening/at night when gators tend to feed. A gator will grab and go, they're so fast, they grab dogs from sea walls in a flash. A beach is a far easier situation for them to stalk.

It's so sickening and I'm angry at Disney. I understand that this lagoon is part of a wildlife preserve and Disney can't remove the gators, but they should have warnings posted and enforced.

I agree. Although I know that there are gators in Florida waters, I would not have expected a gator there. I am from the Pacific NW, which is basically the opposite of Florida, and my gator knowledge is cursory. Yes, I could do a ton of research but should I not be able to trust a world-class destination to be a bit more proactive in protecting guests? As long as they post signs, why not make them fully informative?

My heart is broken for Lane and his family. Better signage - and not scheduling a kid-magnet activity on a dangerous waterway - might have saved him.