Found Deceased FL - Lane Graves, 2, Walt Disney World, 14 June 2016 #1

[ATasteOfHoney]

This is one of the most heartfelt post I do believe I have ever read on WS. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I can feel your pain and sadness.

My grandmother always told me the very same thing and I have always remembered her words.

I have long been saying many in our society seem to have become more and more mean spirited almost like it has become some kind of sport or pastime for some. There was a time citizens all over the nation all joined together to support families in grief but I began to see it really change around 2004-2005 iirc where no longer were the parents of a missing or dead child being supported, but instead were being accused immediately of the wrongdoing or being at fault themselves way before the actual truth came out showing otherwise. Since then it has only gotten even worse. How in the world did our society get like this?

Your post saddens me because I know what you have posted is true. I really wish it could go back to the way it use to be where until evidence was shown, parents were fully supported if they had lost a child/children due to horrific circumstances. We are too far gone to ever go back though with more and more on social media sites. Its become more common place to be highly negative and critical than rare these days.

The internet does give many a platform to post their negativity. I have even seen death threats made by internet posters against some parents on many other social sites. It seems so many have become hyper-critical/judgmental of almost everyone now that finds themselves in the harsh spotlight of the media instead of showing compassion, love, understanding, and support. The ones who seem to do it though are those who don't know the families and are being critical from afar. Communities and citizens that know the parents and the child or children still do come together to show tremendous love and support. Thank goodness that still does happen and happens often showing there really is a lot of good people left in our country.

I decided a long time ago I would make absolutely sure the parent or parents are at fault/involved before I made accusations. I patiently waited for the facts to come out whether it led to their guilt or innocence. I knew there would be plenty of time after then to be highly critical of the parents if it became known they were the wrongdoers and involved.

I just cant do it but that's just me. I know I am responsible for the words I write and I don't want to ever accuse anyone falsely of doing something they are totally innocent of doing. My conscience just want let me go there. The saying of 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me' is flat out wrong, imo. Emotional scars from abusive words said run much much deeper than physical scars ever will and they are much harder to heal.

As Tricia has told us from time to time to remember we own what we write. She knows all too well how powerful written words can be. That is why she and the Mods are often telling us we must all abide by TOS. It not only protects WS but they are trying to protect all of us as well.

You have a very kind heart and it shows Jenves.

My heart is breaking for this entire family. As I have posted before........this was to be one of the happiest times of their lives where beautiful memories are meant to last for a lifetime...........now they take their little boy home for his last ride and this time he will be in a tiny little casket to be laid to rest. I cant even begin to comprehend the tremendous pain and grief his mommy and daddy are feeling along with his siblings.

May he rest in eternal peace!

We have changed a lot in our society as societies always evolve.
One example amongst many of the changes are that We have become far more litigious than decades ago which creates angst on many levels.
We are less personably accountable. Big brother should take care of us, Yada, Yada.

But there are many other differences too....

Rip poor lil' LG

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

911 call came in at 9:15 pm. Sunset tonight is at 8:25 pm.

Exactly....**sunset** is at 8:25pm which means those photos clearly do not display that. There's still plenty of light in those photos.

Moo

 

[Renee110]

Exactly....**sunset** is at 8:25pm which means those photos clearly do not display that. There's still plenty of light in those photos.

Moo

I don't know where you live, but here, when the sun starts setting until it's dark is about 30-45 minutes. It doesn't take hours.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I don't know where you live, but here, when the sun starts setting until it's dark is about 30-45 minutes. It doesn't take hours.

Well at 8:12pm, my outdoor lights that are in my backyard (sensor light) came on. It is dusk now & seemingly darker out than what the mom showed in her pic.

But really, it's neither here nor there.
I would just like some accuracy in the details to be reported by MSM of this terrible tragedy. That's all.

Moo

 

[Renee110]

They found the poor boy deceased. Other than that nothing new.

 

[Jax49]

I'm glad the mom shared her pics. They give the best view of the area that I've seen, showing the depth and clarity of the water. So sad. RIP Little Man.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I don't know where you live, but here, when the sun starts setting until it's dark is about 30-45 minutes. It doesn't take hours.

I live in Florida.

 

[Curious Me]

This man was on the news sharing his story.

San Diego man says gators went for his boy last year at Disney World
http://www.cbs8.com/story/32242918/...rs-went-for-his-boy-last-year-at-disney-world

"San Diego attorney David Hiden says his little boy was approached by an alligator at the Coronado Springs Resort last year while he and his family were vacationing at a nearby Walt Disney World Resort property in the Orlando Area."

"The manager couldn't care less. I remember her words: 'these are resident pets. They've known about them for years, they're not dangerous, they're not going to harm anybody,'" said Hiden. "I was very upset, very angry, very shocked and I say, 'I hope to god I never read about a young kid killed by an alligator like that one almost did to my son.'"

 

[cuffem]

Alligator attacks like this are rare,if they weren't me and my sister would have been eaten along time ago. I learned to swim in Orlando lakes,there was a piling about 20 ft. out from an old pier I would doggy paddle to.I remember grasping that pole as something large swam underneath.There was some reeds not far and we would hear the croaking from the alligators but they never bothered us and we never bothered them.We were taught to not swim at night or go in the reeds especially during egg laying. We canoed in the Wekiva River with alligators laying on the banks and swimming under the boat but we never blinked an eye to it. Back then Wekiva was very wild with many gators but we knew where it was safe to swim.Gators were just a part of life in central Fl.,they would come into the laundry room for warmth in the winter.I hung out in the Everglades in the middle of the night fishing on weekends and you could see their eyes glow and hear the croaks.They do have a fear of humans and as long as you leave them alone,but when they get used to humans then they have no fear.
In my opinion someone had fed that gator in the past and it became accustomed to humans that equates to food.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

This man was on the news sharing his story.

San Diego man says gators went for his boy last year at Disney World
http://www.cbs8.com/story/32242918/...rs-went-for-his-boy-last-year-at-disney-world

"San Diego attorney David Hiden says his little boy was approached by an alligator at the Coronado Springs Resort last year while he and his family were vacationing at a nearby Walt Disney World Resort property in the Orlando Area."

I was waiting for some stories of near misses to come out. I'm sure there have been a number of them over the years.

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[Curious Me]

I don't think all people speaking up now are attention seekers. I've seen plenty of situations that make me wonder why precautions aren't being taken to avoid litigation, so I would imagine an attorney would definitely be shocked that a major corporation wasn't taking more precautions.

Extreme warnings are required for people not familiar with the dangers. I'm learning a lot more about alligators from this sad tragedy. Yikes, they aren't just lumps in the water.

 

[jenves]

I love this post!! I have been in tears over this, as the mom of a 2 year old (who took a trip to WDW in OCT 2015) It hurts to know it could have been me or any of my friends. When I was there I never even thought about gators. I didn't swim in any water besides the pool at the resort but I would not have thought to be on the lookout for them. It seemed "safe" inside the "wall" of the WDW property the entire time we were there. We went to GF to catch a ride to MK and the property is just gorgeous, very safe feeling. I have family in FL who I visit often and am making a beach trip very soon, I know the dangers of gators in FL but honestly when you enter WDW you don't have gators on your mind. At least my family and my friends who we traveled with didn't. Those poor parents.

IMO

Honestly, I never want to be a person who thinks of every possible scenario. If such a person exists. I have zero time for a chicken little.existence. I'm sure you have beautiful memories from your trip. Always remember those memories and only use the sad realities we hear about to remind you to hug those babies tighter. Thank you for your post lstiff

 

[jenves]

Thank you

You are so welcome CHICANA

 

[jenves]

This is one of the most heartfelt post I do believe I have ever read on WS. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I can feel your pain and sadness.

My grandmother always told me the very same thing and I have always remembered her words.

I have long been saying many in our society seem to have become more and more mean spirited almost like it has become some kind of sport or pastime for some. There was a time citizens all over the nation all joined together to support families in grief but I began to see it really change around 2004-2005 iirc where no longer were the parents of a missing or dead child being supported, but instead were being accused immediately of the wrongdoing or being at fault themselves way before the actual truth came out showing otherwise. Since then it has only gotten even worse. How in the world did our society get like this?

Your post saddens me because I know what you have posted is true. I really wish it could go back to the way it use to be where until evidence was shown, parents were fully supported if they had lost a child/children due to horrific circumstances. We are too far gone to ever go back though with more and more on social media sites. Its become more common place to be highly negative and critical than rare these days.

The internet does give many a platform to post their negativity. I have even seen death threats made by internet posters against some parents on many other social sites. It seems so many have become hyper-critical/judgmental of almost everyone now that finds themselves in the harsh spotlight of the media instead of showing compassion, love, understanding, and support. The ones who seem to do it though are those who don't know the families and are being critical from afar. Communities and citizens that know the parents and the child or children still do come together to show tremendous love and support. Thank goodness that still does happen and happens often showing there really is a lot of good people left in our country.

I decided a long time ago I would make absolutely sure the parent or parents are at fault/involved before I made accusations. I patiently waited for the facts to come out whether it led to their guilt or innocence. I knew there would be plenty of time after then to be highly critical of the parents if it became known they were the wrongdoers and involved.

I just cant do it but that's just me. I know I am responsible for the words I write and I don't want to ever accuse anyone falsely of doing something they are totally innocent of doing. My conscience just want let me go there. The saying of 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me' is flat out wrong, imo. Emotional scars from abusive words said run much much deeper than physical scars ever will and they are much harder to heal.

As Tricia has told us from time to time to remember we own what we write. She knows all too well how powerful written words can be. That is why she and the Mods are often telling us we must all abide by TOS. It not only protects WS but they are trying to protect all of us as well.

You have a very kind heart and it shows Jenves.

My heart is breaking for this entire family. As I have posted before........this was to be one of the happiest times of their lives where beautiful memories are meant to last for a lifetime...........now they take their little boy home for his last ride and this time he will be in a tiny little casket to be laid to rest. I cant even begin to comprehend the tremendous pain and grief his mommy and daddy are feeling along with his siblings.

May he rest in eternal peace!

Thank you oceanblueeyes for the kind words! All I can say is right backatcha! Your post always show such thought

 

[sonjay]

Well it's about 7pm here in Florida now & the lighting looks similar to what is seen in that mom's pic. Her pic is not time stamped so perhaps she's not as accurate as what she thinks? If Lane was taken by the alligator at around 9:30pm, it certainly was well past sundown an hour before.

Moo

With the sun still shining as brightly as it is in that picture, I wouldn't hesitate to wade or swim in that water, or to allow a young child or small pet to do so.

Gators feed mostly at dusk and after dark. I wouldn't allow a small child or pet near that water from dusk onwards, and even though gator attacks on adults are vanishingly rare, I'd be hesitant to go too near the water's edge myself.

 

[sonjay]

Alligator attacks like this are rare,if they weren't me and my sister would have been eaten along time ago. I learned to swim in Orlando lakes,there was a piling about 20 ft. out from an old pier I would doggy paddle to.I remember grasping that pole as something large swam underneath.There was some reeds not far and we would hear the croaking from the alligators but they never bothered us and we never bothered them.We were taught to not swim at night or go in the reeds especially during egg laying. We canoed in the Wekiva River with alligators laying on the banks and swimming under the boat but we never blinked an eye to it. Back then Wekiva was very wild with many gators but we knew where it was safe to swim.Gators were just a part of life in central Fl.,they would come into the laundry room for warmth in the winter.I hung out in the Everglades in the middle of the night fishing on weekends and you could see their eyes glow and hear the croaks.They do have a fear of humans and as long as you leave them alone,but when they get used to humans then they have no fear.
In my opinion someone had fed that gator in the past and it became accustomed to humans that equates to food.

I too grew up swimming, canoeing, etc., in gator territory. Almost always, you leave them alone, they'll leave you alone.

Earlier upthread somewhere, I also speculated that someone may have been feeding that one. Anyone who feeds gators in the wild is a potential murderer.

 

[cuffem]

With the sun still shining as brightly as it is in that picture, I wouldn't hesitate to wade or swim in that water, or to allow a young child or small pet to do so.

Gators feed mostly at dusk and after dark. I wouldn't allow a small child or pet near that water from dusk onwards, and even though gator attacks on adults are vanishingly rare, I'd be hesitant to go too near the water's edge myself.

I would be more concerned with water moccosans .I had seen them on the deck of the ferry at disney.

 

[ladygator]

Alligator attacks like this are rare,if they weren't me and my sister would have been eaten along time ago. I learned to swim in Orlando lakes,there was a piling about 20 ft. out from an old pier I would doggy paddle to.I remember grasping that pole as something large swam underneath.There was some reeds not far and we would hear the croaking from the alligators but they never bothered us and we never bothered them.We were taught to not swim at night or go in the reeds especially during egg laying. We canoed in the Wekiva River with alligators laying on the banks and swimming under the boat but we never blinked an eye to it. Back then Wekiva was very wild with many gators but we knew where it was safe to swim.Gators were just a part of life in central Fl.,they would come into the laundry room for warmth in the winter.I hung out in the Everglades in the middle of the night fishing on weekends and you could see their eyes glow and hear the croaks.They do have a fear of humans and as long as you leave them alone,but when they get used to humans then they have no fear.
In my opinion someone had fed that gator in the past and it became accustomed to humans that equates to food.

I hear ya! Same here. As a kid we swam anywhere the water was. Which most of the time was a lake behind a house, or floating down a river in a raft.

As an adult, I will admit, when we are gliding along a river now, in a boat, and I see all the docks lined with swim ladders, I look and think, WOW, I used to do that!! LOL

Now I prefer to actually SEE what's in the water.

 

[LinasK]

I don't think all people speaking up now are attention seekers. I've seen plenty of situations that make me wonder why precautions aren't being taken to avoid litigation, so I would imagine an attorney would definitely be shocked that a major corporation wasn't taking more precautions.

Extreme warnings are required for people not familiar with the dangers. I'm learning a lot more about alligators from this sad tragedy. Yikes, they aren't just lumps in the water.

Nor resident pets that wouldn't harm anyone, as the manager in that story proclaimed.

 

[sonjay]

I would be more concerned with water moccosans .I had seen them on the deck of the ferry at disney.

Yeah, we talked about moccasins upthread somewhere. I hate those things. They're a lot harder to avoid than gators.