Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #12

[Pruddennce]

I want to scream, "Help you with what?!?"

Maddie could've stayed at grandma's house that night, which would've been easier on absolutely everybody.

WHY was he there??

jmo

why was she crying she didnt want to go home? what is her family not disclosing? she's crying the day before her birthday party and we are to believe nobody asked her WHY????

 

[Pruddennce]

In the interview that I hope I linked correctly above, she's so unnaturally calm after just being informed of her daughter's SA.

And she has the audacity to say that Maddie is kind of "abnormal."

OMG OMG OMG

No loving parent of a child with special needs ever, EVER, EVER refers to that child as "abnormal."

I forgot about that statement: the term ABNORMAL.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Very possible her friends that were at the party suggested she install a new game

She is soooo rehearsed. I swear, her answers are verbatim to Stephan’s.
She is toast!!! IMO

 

[calzone.gov]

While listening to GTC Video for JS interview 02/29/24, " Woody Allen Situation", I noted the Case number sounded like a different number than what I had heard previously in Stephans' Interviews.

They are shortening the Case numbers when they say them but check this out...
2024 CF 001293 is the Capital Murder Case-(Sometimes called 24-001293)
2024 CF 000632 are the "other" charges for what he did to Maddie for years (2024 CF 00643 was moved to this case) (sometimes called 24-000632)

So in the 02-29-24 JS Interview the detective noted the Case # as 24-001809
This is not a case for Stephan I believe this is the case against JS.
In that interview the Detective asked a lot of specific questions I believe he already knew the answers to.
Such as, "Where did you and Stephan meet"

If you go back and listen to it with that in mind as you hear his questions, with a totally different case number attached to it, it makes sense.

He could also be referring to another agency’s case number as well, as there are many involved

 

[ttjo]

Very possible her friends that were at the party suggested she install a new game

Sure it is, and Im speculating on what the DA asked jenn about. He may have just been establishing her awareness of what was happening on maddies phone, did she monitor anything? or was that just for show. They dont recall anything tho. like they all live in a fog only worried about their own sleep and med schedule. Stephen too, " I dont remember much ive been heavily medicated all week." det asks for what? oh for anxiety Ive had some money troubles lately, and haven't been sleeping.
Maybe if he stopped diddling little kids it might help with the anxiety.

 

[Seattle1]

I had seen a video clip of Maddie during her BD party back in April which made me wonder if Maddie as pregnant, either knowingly or subconsciously. She did a weird tummy clutching in that video.

Unfortunately the video I had seen months ago showed a few seconds longer than this video, and is what raised my eyebrows and made me wonder if she was pregnant. I feel like they clipped the video to purposely remove those few seconds which really packed a punch IMO. I wish I could find the longer version as the clipped version (all I've been able to find) is too easy to dismiss the possibility of pregnancy as those few additional seconds painted a much different picture IMO. Either way... here it is starting at :55 in.

‘I miss her so much’: Madeline Soto’s biological father speaks out about death, disappearance

Only Channel 9 sat with the grieving father, who said, “I love what I had of her, but we’re supposed to have so much more."

www.wftv.com

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IMO, any tummy clutching was more likely that of a developing, barely 13, self-conscious girl in a party dress, versus a raped child who if pregnant, would not be more than 3 weeks at best.

Also, I think if MS stopped taking her meds as she told a classmate, she may have started gaining weight. While I agree that MS being pregnant could be a motive for SS to end her life, I also think MS pulling away, finding her voice, and expressing to both JS and SS that she had a new "crush" in her orbit, could also be motive for SS to lose control and strangle MS. MOO

 

[Wishbone]

OMG OMG OMG

I THOUGHT I heard this and went back to confirm.

Remember how JS has said over and over that she could count on one hand the times she sent Maddie to sleep with her abuser?

I'm posting a link to the raw video. BBM

JS: "For the most part if it's a school night and [redacted] school, I send them upstairs because I know my alarms are going to go off super early in the morning and I don't want to wake HIM up."

OMG OMG OMG this woman

Edited: Also around 49:00

Paraphrased: when she sleeps with me she's really hard to get up in the morning but when she has to wake herself up and set her own alarms (When does she do that, Jen?) she's up and out of bed.

Maybe because she wants to the get the erf out of bed ASAP away from her abuser?

Yes, the conflicting statements. To me nothing but lies she can't keep track of. I hope these statements were made in interviews where she hadn't been given derivative use immunity. JMOO

 

[FromGermany1]

IMO, any tummy clutching was more likely that of a developing, barely 13, self-conscious girl in a party dress, versus a raped child who if pregnant, would not be more than 3 weeks at best.

Also, I think if MS stopped taking her meds as she told a classmate, she may have started gaining weight. While I agree that MS being pregnant could be a motive for SS to end her life, I also think MS pulling away, finding her voice, and expressing to both JS and SS that she had a new "crush" in her orbit, could also be motive for SS to lose control and strangle MS. MOO

bbm
What, if Maddie used a pregnancy test (available to her like candies), which turned out to be positive, and then stopped her medication?
When exactly SS "was available to become the future father", we don't know, as JS/SS are lying about all you can think of. The separation between JS/SS, it seems, wasn't constant at all, and who knows, when and how often he visited. IF SS took MS in his car with him and offered her to another predator, it might even be, that another man became the future father (IF pregnancy existed). Of course, that would be even more a motive for SS to murder MS, IF he sold MS for money/drugs. MOO and speculation.

 

[Inthedetails]

bbm
What, if Maddie used a pregnancy test (available to her like candies), which turned out to be positive, and then stopped her medication?
When exactly SS "was available to become the future father", we don't know, as JS/SS are lying about all you can think of. The separation between JS/SS, it seems, wasn't constant at all, and who knows, when and how often he visited. IF SS took MS in his car with him and offered her to another predator, it might even be, that another man became the future father (IF pregnancy existed). Of course, that would be even more a motive for SS to murder MS, IF he sold MS for money/drugs. MOO and speculation.

I think one reason for the vagueness of when he visited in recent weeks and months is because of the pregnancy possibility. Otherwise, why not state precise dates? The time around and following the holidays seems foggy.

jmo

 

[Megnut]

Two things are possible as motivating factors -- MS was pregnant or SS thought MS was pregnant.

Also, being it a topic between the two synchronized friends, IMO MS may have been off cycle as far back as January, possibly earlier, and couldn't be truthful with her friend for all the reasons. That could back the calendar up to December... November... which makes me wonder what precipitated SS moving out in the first place. For someone who moved out, he seemed to return multiple times.

Poor MS.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Sure it is, and Im speculating on what the DA asked jenn about. He may have just been establishing her awareness of what was happening on maddies phone, did she monitor anything? or was that just for show. They dont recall anything tho. like they all live in a fog only worried about their own sleep and med schedule. Stephen too, " I dont remember much ive been heavily medicated all week." det asks for what? oh for anxiety Ive had some money troubles lately, and haven't been sleeping.
Maybe if he stopped diddling little kids it might help with the anxiety.

He is the most pathetic excuse of a man. He’s actually more like a worm.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

IMO, any tummy clutching was more likely that of a developing, barely 13, self-conscious girl in a party dress, versus a raped child who if pregnant, would not be more than 3 weeks at best.

Also, I think if MS stopped taking her meds as she told a classmate, she may have started gaining weight. While I agree that MS being pregnant could be a motive for SS to end her life, I also think MS pulling away, finding her voice, and expressing to both JS and SS that she had a new "crush" in her orbit, could also be motive for SS to lose control and strangle MS. MOO

I agree. She might have told him off, said how disgusted she is of him and wanted him out of her life. Maybe even threatened to reveal their secret.

 

[Pruddennce]

SS parents interview: did anyone catch this: link is at the position where this is said....

DS: he did tell us that he put her, you know, she went to bed and when he went out to walk around and blow off some steam he came back to check on her and she was cold. he said he discovered her. ok so...
CS: don't know if that's a truth
DS: yeah don't that's the truth don't know if anything's the truth but....
Host: it's what he told you.....
DS: yeah yeah it's just um...
CS: lips are moving don't know if it's the truth

 

[JennieM]

SS parents interview: did anyone catch this: link is at the position where this is said....

DS: he did tell us that he put her, you know, she went to bed and when he went out to walk around and blow off some steam he came back to check on her and she was cold. he said he discovered her. ok so...
CS: don't know if that's a truth
DS: yeah don't that's the truth don't know if anything's the truth but....
Host: it's what he told you.....
DS: yeah yeah it's just um...
CS: lips are moving don't know if it's the truth

He accidentally strangled her?

 

[Pruddennce]

I should have paid more attention to the lay-out posts. Did JS have an attached bathroom? Were the roommates all on the top floor, with a bathroom?

i ask because iirc JS said that SS (she thought) came downstairs to use the bathroom. Because he isn't allowed to use the roommates' bathroom. Does that mean he came into JS's room (around 11/11:30)? Did she see him? Was she guessing? Lying? Assuming?

Did SS go in her room to get a leash, a phone, something?

Did SS carry MS down the stairs at that time? Settle her in her nest (nasty) in her makeshift room where he had his tripod?

I don't think JS saw MS at all that night, AT THE MOST, a phone or video call, and it's entirely possible SS ran the shower for an hour to give JS the impression that MS was very much awake and getting ready for bed, but I happen to think she was already overdosed and sedated. IMO SS was waiting patiently for JS to PASS OUT on her predictable bedtime cocktail of meds, likely had full confidence that the roommates were asleep for the night.

Dastardly.

JMO

regarding the bathrooms: in her LE video/audio released she states:

JS: So I sent them upstairs..... I think he may have come down at one point to pee before bed and then he went back upstairs. he uses my restroom cuz the roommates upstairs don't want to share a restroom with a male so he uses my restroom um....

I agree with you. IMO, I still believe she never saw Madeline that nite alive. gifts, happy, money, sent to bed, said goodnite and thats it. she's upbeat and chatty with LE in the car on the way to operations where the video interview occurred. at that time she added the Sister Act movie which she says they didnt finish watching. IMO, part of SS's script. that tidbit never showed up again in her subpoena interview and she was given a chance to include it:

MM: Okay. That night—Saturday or Sunday night—when you guys were spending this half hour of time together, was all you that you were doing talking about gifts and counting her money, or were you guys doing anything else?

JS: Just asking her for more details about the party and telling me, like, what I missed. She seemed like she had a really good time.

 

[ShadyLady]

https://www.scribd.com/document/761...-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder

yes various explanations. she did call him but these arrangements werent last minute, unless I missed that explanation, there is so much between the two of them!

Page 50: this explanation: to help with madeline and the dog because she was training for a new job. he was to be staying the week.

subpoena interview in April with her attorney: narrative, page 73:
reason for SS: answer: when Madeline stays with her mother she doesnt see her as much. if SS watches her, she would be able to see her more at home.

same April interview: she talked to him about possibly moving back in....was going to help him get back on his feet, didnt know if it was going to be temporary or permanent...

same April interview: why would she allow him to stay in her home since they were broken up: she considered him one of her BEST FRIENDS. she didnt want him to slip back into mental issues, 'like before"

in this same doc, page 50, she claims she doesnt remember when he arrived, saturday OR sunday.

his audio interview with detective in the car on 2/27: he said he arrived over the weekend, he is then asked what day, hesitated, but then said it was 'ssssssssssunday, oh yeah sunday, the evening, after her birthday party, 8:30ish maybe, just in time to make sure she did all her nite time routines'<-------gag

Ive mentioned this before: both of them were hesitant to say what day he arrived. why?

as a side note: the typed up report docs have a date for 'Occurred': 2/25/24 ..... typo?

Wow, thanks for putting that together. YES.....JS was lying constantly. Detectives did great job getting her to talk.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Two things are possible as motivating factors -- MS was pregnant or SS thought MS was pregnant.

Also, being it a topic between the two synchronized friends, IMO MS may have been off cycle as far back as January, possibly earlier, and couldn't be truthful with her friend for all the reasons. That could back the calendar up to December... November... which makes me wonder what precipitated SS moving out in the first place. For someone who moved out, he seemed to return multiple times.

Poor MS.

JMO

Yes @Megnut ^^. Sadly this is so true. And not trying to top or change subject, but two other possible motivating factors might include if MS had said something to someone or had possibly indicated that she was going to say something? And this is not at all meant as victim blaming. If she did, she had every right to do so IMO. MOO

 

[Megnut]

He accidentally strangled her?

Choking might have been part of his nighttime routine.

And just exactly what steam did he need to blow off?

Just like BLaundrie, I'll bet he WAS upset after killing her.

MS is dead because he was born.

JMO

 

[ttjo]

I wonder if he went back to North Port, to try to access another computer for 2 factor authentication.

at 39:48 she mentions 2 factor authentication, I clipped before 39:48 for context, but listen for about about 4 minutes. she said he was so fixated on checking his emails for packages (BS) when the police have asked you to wait outside while they search your house, because your kid is missing, do you think you'd be panicked about checking for your deliveries at that time?

 

[tlcya]

Watching that recent interview with D and C Sterns on HTC, it is quite something. Particularly hearing Debra discuss poor wittle SS and his challenges in school. Sounds to me like mama always had an excuse for him even then. He was too hyper, things distracted him, teachers were mean and didn't teach right, he had to take a test by phone and I wasn't allowed to be in the room during it (she seemed irritated by that ) and of course I "helped" him with his homework, any mother would.

He had no impulse control, he did what he did and then paid consequences later. [SS s a teen]

SS per DS needed "wounded birds" to take care of when selecting friends, dating partners as a young adult. He looked for damaged goods.

Light sabers and pokemon are evidence per CS of the "disconnect" their adult son seems to suffer. "we were just never able to get him to assimilate into adult life"