Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

[BrownRice]

Quoting my own post (I know... like nails on a chalkboard for some).

Sounds like SS's parents are chomping at the bit to throw JS under the bus. Sure, I get it, a lot of WS's want the same... but it's like they aren't viewing their man-child son as not only a MURDERER, but as a CSAMer as well. And from the young age of 8. Both charges are awful, but it's like they have blinders on in regards to him.

Thanks so much for transcribing this.

Bizarre, he nor his parents ever express sadness or grief over Madeleine’s death.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Quoting my own post (I know... like nails on a chalkboard for some).

Sounds like SS's parents are chomping at the bit to throw JS under the bus. Sure, I get it, a lot of WS's want the same... but it's like they aren't viewing their man-child son as not only a MURDERER, but as a CSAMer as well. And from the young age of 8. Both charges are awful, but it's like they have blinders on in regards to him.

The parents may suspect, or even know, that JS has knowledge about, or has contributed towards Maddie's death. They've made several comments to implicate her, just as some of us here have believed. I think the parents, and especially the father, realize their son will be found guilty and is never getting out in their lifetime. He said as much with his comment that the charges he faces are a minimum of 40 years in prison. This tells me they are not in denial and have accepted his guilt, at least for the CSAM, and the murder is more of a mystery for all of us, including his parents.
MOO.

 

[Rosydecember]

The parents may suspect, or even know, that JS has knowledge about, or has contributed towards Maddie's death. They've made several comments to implicate her, just as some of us here have believed. I think the parents, and especially the father, realize their son will be found guilty and is never getting out in their lifetime. He said as much with his comment that the charges he faces are a minimum of 40 years in prison. This tells me they are not in denial and have accepted his guilt, at least for the CSAM, and the murder is more of a mystery for all of us, including his parents.
MOO.

I’m not genuinely believing they know or have proof that JS knew. I think they want to believe that and are just trying to minimize SS’ role.

 

[Megnut]

Could be this.?
I posted this last night.
The prosecution had filed a motion with the court that Owen/team and jury consultant could have a "possible conflict of interest" or a "conflict of interest" with the defendant SB.

Yesterday at 6:54 PM
"Last night at the end of the prior thread sasha17 posted this court filing by the prosecutor against Owens/team and jury consultant.
NewsNation Ashley Banfield addresses it with guest.
Did they get Movie/book rights?
Documentary?


"SBM. Did you see the motion the state filed on Monday on this exact topic? Basically, Sarah Boone is indigent, having costs (actually only investigator Billy Lane) being paid by the court. "The Defendant has secured the services of four attorneys and a jury/trial consultant — and perhaps more people that the State is unaware of at this time."

It goes on: "The defense team is expending a tremendous amount of costs having traveled from Milton, Florida to Orlando, Florida for a several week trial. The team returned to Milton, Florida prior to the arrival of Hurricane Milton in central Florida and then travelled back after it had passed — incurring additional costs."

And their point is: "The State is concerned about a potential conflict of interest between the Defendant and her team... The only way for the Court to know if there is an actual conflict of interest, rather than a potential conflict of interest, is to review the financial arrangements between the Defendant and her team."

The state's request is for the court to look into this and figure out what's going on. No filed response from the defense or the court yet, and I haven't heard this brought up at all during the trial.'

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My post isn't going to be about Jen. It's about Stephan. He took advantage of a really fragile adult to gain access to her child. I think Jen has lived through something dark that became the thing to gird against. All her energy focused on maintaining her definition of equilibrium. Enter Stephan who purposefully jacked with that equilibrium. Again this isn't about Jen. I'm not talking about what she did, didn’t do, should've done, should've known; I'm talking about how this happens.

I had forgotten how much I detest his droopy voice.

I'm shocked his parents believe anything he says. Talking about lockdowns that probably never happened, excuses for not calling that aren't real. Impossibly inflating charges.

What did he tell them about Jen's involvement? Why are they believing him? He didn't start it. Of course not. Shift blame. Jen started it. With the family bed. Misguided in every way possible but she may have genuinely believed he wouldn't touch either of them... again this isn't about her, this is about him. He wormed his way in. He boiled the frog slowly. Low bar, he gained her trust, then once he had it, she never bothered not to trust him.

Ducks in a row? He was deleting all his CSAM. Double phone reset, hard drives, thumb drives, taking down equipment (I'm certain he had hidden cameras), gathering stuff from his parents' house (maybe he tried to break in but the barking prevented it). I'm guessing it was that thumb drive his dad turned in.

Ducks in a row? No, he was deleting his ducks, needed his dad out of the house, and if it hadn't been for those barking poodles...

Heybutcouldya put more money in my commissary account?

What a huge whiny waste of space.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

SS: I was driving around aimlessly
He drove straight home to North Port, if you have a destination in mind you aren’t driving around aimlessly

CS: Were you expecting these charges? These murder charges?
SS: no
SS earlier: I had to get my ducks in a row

Why? Were they not in a row before? And why now at 3 in the morning? MS was still missing at the time and you said you dropped MS off at school. If you were being truthful than your focus needs to be on finding Maddie, not on gathering whatever props you need to fit some new storyline that you are delusional enough to think will fool the cops.

Do CS and DS really think that LE need SS’ help or involvement in investigating any possible crimes JS committed? LE there seem to be doing just fine without SS’ input and CS said himself that SS lies. Most importantly, he murdered and raped Maddie. Do they think he will advocate for justice for her in any way now? Is this about justice for Maddie or their own vindication in projecting their shame onto JS because they can’t accept that their own flesh and blood was a parasitic predator that sexually abused Maddie since she was a little girl and viciously murdered in her home all on his own? JMHO

SS: I will be lucky if I have another 40 years left in me either
Think of those 40 years as the ones you stole from Maddie. His parents feel bad that likely he will be alone if/when he gets out of prison. They’re his parents. I get that. But Maddie was alone too when he brutally murdered her. Maddie was alone when he would abuse and harm her. There was no one there for her during the times SS drugged and manipulated her person to make his disgusting CSAM images. SS might be alone but at least he will still be an adult when it/when he gets out of prison. Maddie though will never have the chance to grow up or even grow into herself. SS saw to that when he had the audacity to think it was in his right to determine whether she lived or died.

IMO he went home to destroy images on home devices. Needed access to his Google account, password saved at home perhaps.

Gotta hand it to the guy, hardest he ever worked in his whole life, racing around trying to erase his CSAM footprints.

Despicable human thing.

JMO

 

[KooshBall]

It is so unbelievable that both SS and JS have commented about their birthdays being ruined, when there is a dead 13 year old! These two are so self centered, such losers, they truly deserve each other.

 

[Pruddennce]

My post isn't going to be about Jen. It's about Stephan. He took advantage of a really fragile adult to gain access to her child. I think Jen has lived through something dark that became the thing to gird against. All her energy focused on maintaining her definition of equilibrium. Enter Stephan who purposefully jacked with that equilibrium. Again this isn't about Jen. I'm not talking about what she did, didn’t do, should've done, should've known; I'm talking about how this happens.

I had forgotten how much I detest his droopy voice.

I'm shocked his parents believe anything he says. Talking about lockdowns that probably never happened, excuses for not calling that aren't real. Impossibly inflating charges.

What did he tell them about Jen's involvement? Why are they believing him? He didn't start it. Of course not. Shift blame. Jen started it. With the family bed. Misguided in every way possible but she may have genuinely believed he wouldn't touch either of them... again this isn't about her, this is about him. He wormed his way in. He boiled the frog slowly. Low bar, he gained her trust, then once he had it, she never bothered not to trust him.

Ducks in a row? He was deleting all his CSAM. Double phone reset, hard drives, thumb drives, taking down equipment (I'm certain he had hidden cameras), gathering stuff from his parents' house (maybe he tried to break in but the barking prevented it). I'm guessing it was that thumb drive his dad turned in.

Ducks in a row? No, he was deleting his ducks, needed his dad out of the house, and if it hadn't been for those barking poodles...

Heybutcouldya put more money in my commissary account?

What a huge whiny waste of space.

JMO

interesting....his dad says they are dead a$$ broke when SS asked about dad putting money into his commissary account....

as far as SS worming his way into JS's life...didnt take much...she is self-absorbed, self centered and a user....she used him as much as he used her IMO. end result, her child has been S/A for years and then murdered, and JS starts crying in relation to HER BIRTHDAY being the next day, "THIS IS THE WORST BIRTHDAY EVER" SOBBING AND SOBBING FOR HERSELF......and SS, him in jail, he mentions HIS birthday....both of them IMO: disgusting.

demon vs demon IMO

 

[KooshBall]

Anyone heard the jail call of SS with his parents? Some interesting tidbits.

I think he purposely didn't call his mom for her birthday and Mother's Day, and then when he needed more money on his books, called and lied about being on lock down. He is so obvious!

I don't think he manipulated his parents, or JS, because he isn't even good at it. I think it was easier for his parents to support him over dealing with his behavior when he didn't get his way, they weren't conned, more like worn out. I don't believe JS was manipulated, either. She wore the pants in that family, and her needs came first. Having SS at the home benefited her, so much so that she was willing to ignore the abuse to her daughter. She wasn't manipulated, she was choosing to do what made life easier for herself. All of this is my opinion only.

 

[wcsleuth]

She heard the phone vibrate? So, who called Maddies phone? SS, knowing, he would get JS on the other end?

JS called Maddie's phone. Even tho she had MS' phone with her in the vehicle, Jenn says she forgot and called MS anyways.

 

[FromGermany1]

IMO he went home to destroy images on home devices. Needed access to his Google account, password saved at home perhaps.

Gotta hand it to the guy, hardest he ever worked in his whole life, racing around trying to erase his CSAM footprints.

Despicable human thing.

JMO

But each pic/video would mean $$$ to him - do you think, he deleted his valuable goods indeed?

 

[Megnut]

But each pic/video would mean $$$ to him - do you think, he deleted his valuable goods indeed?

Or hide it good.

So.... his parents cleaned out his room. All I can think is eeewwwwwww. Not a surface in that room I'd touch.

JMO

 

[Skillz]

I think he purposely didn't call his mom for her birthday and Mother's Day, and then when he needed more money on his books, called and lied about being on lock down. He is so obvious!

I don't think he manipulated his parents, or JS, because he isn't even good at it. I think it was easier for his parents to support him over dealing with his behavior when he didn't get his way, they weren't conned, more like worn out. I don't believe JS was manipulated, either. She wore the pants in that family, and her needs came first. Having SS at the home benefited her, so much so that she was willing to ignore the abuse to her daughter. She wasn't manipulated, she was choosing to do what made life easier for herself. All of this is my opinion only.

Well said. I have to say I agree with you.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Since not everyone likes to, or can find the time to listen to all the videos that get posted... here's a sneak peek at what they are talking about. You know... kinda like a movie trailer to get you hooked into making you want to see the movie.

Starting at 10:50 -

CS - Were you expecting these charges? The murder charges.
SS - No.
CS - OK, so you got blindsided by that.
SS - Yep, [I'll be saying this (unsure exactly what he said there)] it's not true. I would never would have wanted her gone for any reason, so, premeditated first degree is kinda, kind of a dick punch. Yeah, no, I was wondering if you had any updates or anything.
CS - Nope, we haven't heard a thing, just speculation that she's been put in an institution and hiding in an institution.
DS - At her lawyer's request.
CS - Are you helping, are you cooperating with police about her participation in any of this stuff?
SS - There's been no opportunity for me to cooperate with anything as I understand it the police keep saying I'm uncooperative, but they haven't asked me anything to cooperate with, so, whatever that means.
CS - Hm. So, your attorney isn't approaching them and saying that my client would like to speak with you?
SS - No, my attorneys are pretty much saying to keep my mouth shut until the trial starts.

Gemmie again... So before the above he was complaining about how bad HIS birthday was. Like the worst ever. Uh... excuse me? There's proof on your phone that you used to SA Maddie on HER birthdays! Talk about the worst ever birthday. Sheesh.

As for him never wanting her gone for any reason... Of COURSE not. You were getting what you wanted from her! And for the charges against him to be a "dick punch"? I can't even say what I want to say about that. No way I can make it sound like anything but crude.

But, here's the thing... I'm only 12 minutes in and I've caught him in at least 3 lies. I think he was lying about being unable to reach his parents. He went on and on and on about that. And you know what they say about liars... they give too much information. The only thing missing from his spiel was that he couldn't call because he was busy eating raspberry Entenmann's!

Lastly, he lied in his last 2 sentences above. (1) There's been no opportunity for me to cooperate with anything as I understand it the police keep saying I'm uncooperative, and (2) my attorneys are pretty much saying to keep my mouth shut until the trial starts.

So... which is it? You're keeping your mouth shut as advised by your lawyers... or there's been no opportunity? Cuz it's not both, IMO. I think he's following his lawyers advice, so why not just say that?

He's such a lying piece of ick.

Thank you @Gemmie for transcribing portions of this! Very helpful. And RSBMFF:

“SS - Yep, [I'll be saying this (unsure exactly what he said there)] it's not true. I would never would have wanted her gone for any reason, so, premeditated first degree is kinda, kind of a dick punch.”

Ok…..so SS talks to his parents like this? And they converse with him in such language without any apparent reaction? SMH.… what a dynamic…… I better stop here.

IMO authorities should give them a reason for someone to start talking. Can the SS parents be charged with anything - i.e. questions on the hard drive, CS; DS and statements about MS perhaps hidden in woods near their residence IIRC, other? Give them and SS a reason to start talking IMO. IANAL. MOO

 

[Pruddennce]

Thank you @Gemmie for transcribing portions of this! Very helpful. And RSBMFF:

“SS - Yep, [I'll be saying this (unsure exactly what he said there)] it's not true. I would never would have wanted her gone for any reason, so, premeditated first degree is kinda, kind of a dick punch.”

Ok…..so SS talks to his parents like this? And they converse with him in such language without any apparent reaction? SMH.… what a dynamic…… I better stop here.

IMO authorities should give them a reason for someone to start talking. Can the SS parents be charged with anything - i.e. questions on the hard drive, CS; DS and statements about MS perhaps hidden in woods near their residence IIRC, other? Give them and SS a reason to start talking IMO. IANAL. MOO

its really helpful and revealing to actually listen to the calls and interviews because the doc narratives omit some things and of course, there's no voice inflection to listen to...Im wondering about a few things, what I heard:

-a few instances of CS and DS whispering. IMO, CS was guiding DS because they are being recorded and there were some obvious instances:

- who is Joey that SS's mother is asking about the last name.....she just blurts out the question...SS says its Bevry? and no other info or discussion

- whats with the SS card....SS wants to know if they found it and mom says 'yes' and nothing else....but then:

- SS says: I presumed it was in the mouse toy box with everything? mom says' I dont know, it was in my...' and was starting to tell SS where and then dad interrupts BIG TIME and cuts her off and says "no I don't recall where it was but it wasn't.. it wasn't there".

- SS asks about his watch...no, they didnt find it (although CS and DS previously told LE its missing and SS probably sold it.... if SS is referring to the Rolex, DS's father's)

DS then blurts out right after that: 'so there was no popcorn box'....SS is talking over CS: its Silv mouse toy (as in silver) and again, CS immediately cuts him off asking him why SS needs them to find the SS card and SS answers "because I might need it in the future'.

and....DS thinking his childhood accident records which she said resulted in a TBI, there should be records at the hospital and is annoyed they arent there......however, she clearly stated in LE interview she wouldnt allow him to stay overnite and be observed. so I guess his defense strategy will be his mother's recollection as to how he changed...IMO

I do understand the guarding because of being recorded. all of these exchanges are odd but notably as to where his SS card was located....why did CS consider where it was located off limits?

 

[Pruddennce]

and another thang...SS parents LE interview: CS told LE SS called him at 6:48pm to tell him he arrived at Kissimmee. but then he says I noticed on sunpass that SS was out 8:30-8:48pm via two tolls. then he said: 'I thought well maybe they went out'. but then punctuates it with 'okay, thats a little weird'. <---why would he think it was weird they went out????

and: he said he tried to get ahold of him several times monday morning, but then immediately says 'maybe noonish or so' and 'maybe as late as 2:30pm.ish or something.' .....he didnt get ahold of him, but heard from SS at 3:17pm with the flat tire story.

CS told LE he and DS were looking forward to not having him in their home for a week. he already heard from SS on sunday evening telling him that he arrived. why was CS calling SS on monday? and why several times? (his words).

 

[FromGermany1]

Or hide it good.

So.... his parents cleaned out his room. All I can think is eeewwwwwww. Not a surface in that room I'd touch.

JMO

.. just as the room #4. Eeewww ...

 

[FromGermany1]

Thank you @Gemmie for transcribing portions of this! Very helpful. And RSBMFF:

“SS - Yep, [I'll be saying this (unsure exactly what he said there)] it's not true. I would never would have wanted her gone for any reason, so, premeditated first degree is kinda, kind of a dick punch.”

Ok…..so SS talks to his parents like this? And they converse with him in such language without any apparent reaction? SMH.… what a dynamic…… I better stop here.

IMO authorities should give them a reason for someone to start talking. Can the SS parents be charged with anything - i.e. questions on the hard drive, CS; DS and statements about MS perhaps hidden in woods near their residence IIRC, other? Give them and SS a reason to start talking IMO. IANAL. MOO

bbm
I would like to know!! Curious for THAT explanation!!

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Thank you @Gemmie for transcribing portions of this! Very helpful. And RSBMFF:

“SS - Yep, [I'll be saying this (unsure exactly what he said there)] it's not true. I would never would have wanted her gone for any reason, so, premeditated first degree is kinda, kind of a dick punch.”

Ok…..so SS talks to his parents like this? And they converse with him in such language without any apparent reaction? SMH.… what a dynamic…… I better stop here.

IMO authorities should give them a reason for someone to start talking. Can the SS parents be charged with anything - i.e. questions on the hard drive, CS; DS and statements about MS perhaps hidden in woods near their residence IIRC, other? Give them and SS a reason to start talking IMO. IANAL. MOO

Adding to this after reading and further comments from others including @Pruddennce :

As to potential charges for SS parents - and for CS couldn’t the act of loaning SS the car (the Lincoln in which the body was moved) and of giving SS a cell phone IIRC - couldn’t some of the acts relate possibly to accessory after the fact murder? The points in the prior post for both parents and also in this one - perhaps obstruction of justice, hindering an investigation, or tampering with evidence?

IANAL. Still wonder if some additional charges and ‘pressure’ could ‘open the gates’? Get someone talking. And some of the lesser charges have statutes of limitations that are shorter than those of the murder. Time could become a mortal enemy of some truths.

Sure hope investigators are looking at every conceivable angle. MOO

 

[lightofmine99]

Not to be that guy but it’s not really shocking SS’s parents are trying to throw JS under the bus. I would even say that it’s understandable and the average person would agree with it. The two “options” are:

1. They know the goose of the monster son they created, failed to try to stop, or enabled is cooked and in an effort to continue burying their heads in the sand and/or enabling the monster, they’re throwing JS under the bus.
2. While not directly trying to defend or downplay their son’s actions, they don’t want someone else who they believe has culpability to get away without repercussions as well.
3. Some combo of the above two.

Family wants to protect its own even beyond all comprehension sometimes. But even if you were someone who “tried” to fix your monster relative and did not make excuses for them…would you want another party you believed was also culpable to get away? MOO.

 

[Megnut]

Not to be that guy but it’s not really shocking SS’s parents are trying to throw JS under the bus. I would even say that it’s understandable and the average person would agree with it. The two “options” are:

1. They know the goose of the monster son they created, failed to try to stop, or enabled is cooked and in an effort to continue burying their heads in the sand and/or enabling the monster, they’re throwing JS under the bus.
2. While not directly trying to defend or downplay their son’s actions, they don’t want someone else who they believe has culpability to get away without repercussions as well.
3. Some combo of the above two.

Family wants to protect its own even beyond all comprehension sometimes. But even if you were someone who “tried” to fix your monster relative and did not make excuses for them…would you want another party you believed was also culpable to get away? MOO.

He seems to have buffaloed his parents do thoroughly that they're entrenched in storylines SS makes up.

He couldn't call because of lockdowns bit he wasn't always on lockdown but he was being moved around a lot and there was back and forth on phone privileges. Wha huh? That's word salad.

His parents ask about it trying genuinely IMO to mmke sense of their son's day to day life but the thing is, he made it all up. He didn't call because he didn't WANT to call.

To his parents, I'm sure he plays off as he was the lesser involved. "I didn't start it". Whether he means JS or MS, it's a lie either way. No one else started it, no one made him do anything, or keep doing it.

But I think what he probably meant was JS started the family bed. And that much is true, family bed predated SS. Whether JS started that because SHE needed MS beside her or if it was a misguided way to protect her, JS has some ugly ownership in that. Letting an unrelated adult man sleep in the same bed, granted with her in it, with her very young daughter. But SS has full culpability here. He should have refused. At a minimum, JS should have been always between them. But serious boundary issues all around, to put it mildly.

No doubt SS blamed whatever was on his phone (and hard drives and thumb drives) on someone, anyone else.

One thing is for sure -- SS can stop worrying about his social card for when he gets out. He's not getting out and -- travel agent called -- no documents needed, he can straight to hell.

JMO