Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #2

[jtennison7171]

The "Frank" video. All MOO and wording here. Please listen if you're curious about SS. It sounds like a legit friendship and more recent. Extremely interesting. Well worth listening to for insight. Has known SS for about 3 yrs. Describes SS as a nerd gamer, but a normal guy. Didn't suspect this from SS. Has called LE, but they haven't called him back yet.

"Frank" got to go to SS's parent's house where SS was living in his bedroom with all kinds of game stuff etc., cluttering it up. It's a house packed with Poodles his Mom breeds. Didn't catch when, but he said SS lost a lot of weight and looked almost ill at some point. "Frank" only saw SS eat in front of him once in the three years he's known him. It was pizza. SS often just visited him. Frank has a family with young boys.

They only went out to a bar once. Some cougar tried to pick up SS, but he wasn't interested. SS shaved his beard off about four mos. ago. Hadn't heard from SS for a couple wks. before this happened.

Could be lies SS told "Frank", but supposedly JS and SS haven't been a couple for sometime. They broke up starting from the first year and it was on and off, but mainly it sounded like SS stayed in a spare room when he went back. Thinks it was more that SS bonded with JS's daughter. Frank is mystified by all the "my boyfriend", and the "we" talk. Thought they weren't a couple for quite some time, and that SS slept in a spare room even when he was living there.​

Ok


That's just extremely weird and kinda unnerving!

 

[Curious Me]

Ok That's just extremely weird and kinda unnerving!

Your first, very short, post!
Welcome @jtennison!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“There’s going to be a potential argument from the defense that the release of this photo taints the jury pool, so you might see a motion for a change of venue,” said Kramer.

Florida law prohibits the release of photographs depicting the killing of a minor, including images or videos of the minor’s body, except to a surviving parent.

A government official who willfully and knowingly disseminates such confidential photos violating Florida law could be charged with a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

“You’ve got a grieving family that’s suffering, and you may see an argument that this photo, even if it wasn’t intentional, the release was negligent,” said Kramer. “And as a result, you may see a claim for damages and a lawsuit result from that.”

Osceola sheriff ‘accidentally’ posts possible crime scene photo in Madeline Soto case on Instagram

The Instagram account for Osceola County Sheriff Marcos Lopez posted a confidential crime scene photograph on Saturday morning, which the agency later said had been inadvertently shared with the public.

www.clickorlando.com

 

[MassGuy]

“There’s going to be a potential argument from the defense that the release of this photo taints the jury pool, so you might see a motion for a change of venue,” said Kramer.

Florida law prohibits the release of photographs depicting the killing of a minor, including images or videos of the minor’s body, except to a surviving parent.

A government official who willfully and knowingly disseminates such confidential photos violating Florida law could be charged with a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

“You’ve got a grieving family that’s suffering, and you may see an argument that this photo, even if it wasn’t intentional, the release was negligent,” said Kramer. “And as a result, you may see a claim for damages and a lawsuit result from that.”

Osceola sheriff ‘accidentally’ posts possible crime scene photo in Madeline Soto case on Instagram

The Instagram account for Osceola County Sheriff Marcos Lopez posted a confidential crime scene photograph on Saturday morning, which the agency later said had been inadvertently shared with the public.

www.clickorlando.com

I think that’s silly. It’s one thing if this photo had been widely disseminated, and was graphic in nature, but I don’t think either are true. Personally, I haven’t seen it published anywhere and I’ve looked.

 

[Sjöberg]

Every time I see a comment about Maddie supposedly making a comment about living in the woods when she was 13 it makes me wonder if not only was it SS, but that that was part of his plan. As you all know, she was found in a wooded area. So, if his plan hadn't backfired on him, perhaps he was hoping they'd think she ran away "to live in the woods", and that unfortunately someone saw her out there and killed her before SS and Maddie's mom could go out and find her to bring her home.

I, too, have considered this option. There is just something off about that "living in the woods statement".
However, looking at everything else this guy did, I find it very, very unlikely that he'd have the brains or even opportunity to send the text beforehand. And if the text was undeleted (as I assume, because mum found it), then Madeline would have seen the text at least the next time she messaged said friend and would surely have been freaked about it.
So at this time, I think Madeline sent it. The question is why (could just be e.g inspired by a book she read, but still).

Teenage girl, been with family all day, excited about gifts and doesn't contact friends telling them about their day and gifts?

I am honestly bamboozled that so many of you find this unbelievable. I could name like 10+ kids like that from the top of my head. Might be a cultural thing.
But there is a lot of assumptions here: that she had close friends, that she and her friends chatted online about daily matters at home, that they were able to do this late at night (some parents collect cellphones for the night), that she was exited about gifts, that telling others about her gifts is a thing she even does, that she did find the gifts "worthy" of bragging about, etc.

These are middle schoolers, not kindergarteners. It’s a normal time for freedoms to be increasing which, for some kids, could mean walking or riding a bike to school on their own.

And let's face the facts: this case (nor similar Audrii case) had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with walking to school any distance. She was killed by a male known to her and family who assaulted her in her family home (most probably and at least on one occasion).
If people want to ban stuff, ban stepdads living with non-biological kids. Or men living with anyone, tbh. Or dicks.
Not kids walking.

Out of the countless cases like this that I’ve followed over the years, I’ve never seen any killer try anything like that. This guy carried out this crime like he’d never even thought about it before.

Yes, IMO, it does look very disorganized and made-up-as-I-go.

This creep had a "good thing going" in that he had a victim he had easy and continued access to. SOMETHING happened for him to decide to get rid of her.

BBM. I don't think we know that he decided anything.
It is possible he killed her because it was his plan to kill her for some reason. But it is also possible, that he killed her without planning to do so: could have been drugging her for assaults and gotten it wrong, could be that he likes to strangle victims during the assault, could be that the victim was resisting him vocally and he suffocated her accidentally the keep her quiet, could be that the victim was resisting him physically and he killed her during a struggle, could be that he "got carried away" and did kill her on purpose at the moment, but had not been planning to do so prior the attack. I'm sure there are even more options.
Just looking at the way he dealt with it, he either did not plan it ahead or he is very stupid or he was high on something or all of the above.

 

[BrownRice]

Re the previous familial child sexual assault charges. Maybe this would explain their separate living arrangements, as surely Mom would not be allowed to continue having him living under the same roof as her daughter, and she may even have been told by the authorities to discontinue the relationship completely or face losing custody of her daughter. This might explain her oddly mangled story in the interview as she would have been nervous about what she said about his involvement in their lives and about him being alone with her daughter.

Ofc Madaline and the truth should have been the priority for all of them, but were they? Not if his continued presence in their lives after his prior charges is anything to go by.

ETA : I have got the wrong end of the stick here (see MassGuy’s later post) so please ignore my ponderings!

I missed this. Where did previous CSA charges come from?

 

[NewMommy09]

I missed this. Where did previous CSA charges come from?

They aren't previous charges as in previously known prior to MS going missing. They are charges for images/videos found on SS cell phone which he handed over to LE during interviews about MS missing case, which he informed them at the time he had "accidentally" performed a factory reset on his phone. They were able to retrieve this data anyway and said it ranges from 03/22 - 12/23. The arrest affidavit also states detectives were able to identify clothing and blanket patterns in the images which match those known to be in the Soto home. You can read the affidavit, minus redacted names, it's posted earlier in these threads or available online. It's horrifying.

 

[Skigh]

I missed this. Where did previous CSA charges come from?

The poster added a footnote to their post to say they had misunderstood the charges and to ignore their thoughts after learning more information.

 

[Skigh]

I don’t subject myself to these videos almost ever so thanks for the summary! Interesting to be told he was using his own dad’s car. Makes one wonder why?

The new video ,what did Frank say is well worth watching, and is only 26 minutes.

 

[elliefant]

I missed this. Where did previous CSA charges come from?

The charges relate to abuse that happened a few years ago. The charges have only recently been laid; I mistakenly thought they had been laid at the time the abuse occurred. They are included in his current charge sheet.

 

[jopalyii]

I’d like police to clarify as well: did mom call police immediately after the teacher said Maddie wasn’t in school all day (she said that’s when she realized something was truly wrong per her own interview to media). Or did she not contact them til 8pm (per the warrant)? Where did she contact them from? Where was SS and what time did he originally talk to Le?

I thought they said in the beginning the mom noticed something was wrong at 4:30pm and started searching a few known spots. Afterwards she went back to the school but no one was there. She emailed the teacher for verification that MS wasn’t at school that day. Once she got confirmation that MS never made it to school, she called the police. I can easily see a teacher not checking their email right away, but responding quickly as soon as they did see it.

 

[scottishgal]

A theory not posted on here before just MOO

<modsnip: speculation based on no known facts>

Reading this guy's posts , tbh, I think he knew there was always a risk that he would go to jail for this and do his gaming and chatting from there for life. but the Florida law changing to death penalty recently was probably unanticipated.
When she died <modsnip> maybe hiding the body / interfering with a corpse was a desperate chance in a million taken in the hope that LE believe she ran away and then some stranger killed her. <modsnip>
I think if this the case , he likely regrets not calling the police n giving himself up now bcos I think what really upsets him now is that so many ppl know it's all over the news and everyone is judging him without in his mind knowing what really happened
Reading on his Reddit posts n seeing his interviews , I believe he is upset she died, but not able to regret the abuse perhaps that led upto it . I bet he's justified the abuse in his mind as their special bond, crossed the line accidentally and it was the same sin whether done once or multiple times , made sure he didn't physically hurt ( if this is even possible) made sure she was taken care of etc etc etc etc etc etc . My head hurts n I feel vomity now so I can't go on but on a separate note , how does a mother not know if her child's virginity is taken that confuses me .

 

[Ontario Mom]

Wondering (haven't seen a link so I'm unsure) if LE have confirmed anything GHI video callers/guests have shared?

 

[scottishgal]

Everything seems to have gone quiet after Friday evening when they found MS remains

 

[lightofmine99]

I've always only had a small, select group of friends. This has been the case since I was Maddy's age and even younger. Looking back I don't think I would've texted my friends all the things I got for my birthday or sent them a lot of pictures, unless they asked. I've always been hyper vigilant of seeming like a bragger or a showoff even for something as miniscule as getting a plushie for my birthday. Big overthinker. We don't know how many friends she had if any, and we don't know the intricacies of her personality. Maybe she was the same way. Anecdote from experience, MOO.

Mom would not be allowed to continue having him living under the same roof as her daughter, and she may even have been told by the authorities to discontinue the relationship completely or face losing custody of her daughter.

This unfortunately happens a lot. Court orders the parent to not let the other parent or their unrelated significant other be around the child or on the property, but they do it anyway. I believe this is what happened in the Dylan Groves case. If this is really what happened here that would definitely explain a good chunk of the nervousness. MOO.

I'm understanding that SS had a previous charge for familial sexual battery around Maddy's birthday two years ago? Am I getting that right? Does anyone have a link for this? Wow.

 

[SMK777]

I think that’s silly. It’s one thing if this photo had been widely disseminated, and was graphic in nature, but I don’t think either are true. Personally, I haven’t seen it published anywhere and I’ve looked.

Maybe it had been taken down by the time you searched? I guess we don’t know how many saw it, but I agree it likely wasn’t graphic in nature. Still awful, but I don’t know if it would taint a jury pool.

 

[elliefant]

I'm understanding that SS had a previous charge for familial sexual battery around Maddy's birthday two years ago? Am I getting that right? Does anyone have a link for this? Wow.

Discussed yesterday, eg:

Jumping off your birthday remark, this is a bit weird. For his sexual battery on a child under 12 (familial), the offense date is listed as Madeline's birthday 2 years ago, when she would have turned 11. The arrest warrant had a starting date about a month later than that, if I recall.

Charge Status:	ARREST		Status Date:	3/1/2024
Statute:	794.011 8c		Offense Date:	2/22/2022
Arresting Agency:	KISSIMMEE POLICE DEPARTMENT		OBTS #:	4902187171
Case #:	24001809
Level/Degree:	FELONY LIFE		GOC:
Offense Activity:			Drug Type:
Weapons:			Range:
Amount:
Charge Description:	SEXUAL BATTERY VICTIM UNDER 12 YEAR (FAMILIAL)

https://courts.osceolaclerk.com/BenchmarkWeb/CourtCase.aspx/Details/3358587?digest=V95qZYZYuyGWmj7+bDIZkg

Not discovered / charged until this month but happened on 22 Feb 2022

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Great tech matters in schools. This is an example where strong technology can give parents automated information from the schools who can afford it and successfully implement it. If you’re into this topic - go to a local school board meeting and advocate for best-in-class notification. Districts that run PowerSchool or similar can implement 10 a.m. automated alerts easily.

Yes, and my ex has applications on her phone and the kid’s phones where she can monitor their location, progress to school, such as on the bus, etc. I wonder what would be learned from MS phone as IIRC it has been found? MOO

 

[Skigh]

Yes, and my ex has applications on her phone and the kid’s phones where she can monitor their location, progress to school, such as on the bus, etc. I wonder what would be learned from SS phone as IIRC it has been found? MOO

SS voluntarily handed the in his phone, which is why he was arrested as images were found on his phone LE have Madeline's phone.

 

[investigatefred]

Yes, and my ex has applications on her phone and the kid’s phones where she can monitor their location, progress to school, such as on the bus, etc. I wonder what would be learned from SS phone as IIRC it has been found? MOO

Knowing it was turned over after he tried to wipe it with a factory reset and law enforcement STILL gained all the evidence of CSA done by him, I'd gander to say there is a lot more that will come to light by way of his electronics. JMO