Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #4

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  • #61
Which would be more believable/possible, if she had not sworn to LE she saw MS getting ready for school at 8 am.

SS was putting MS belongings in the dumpster at 7:30/5 am.

SS was back at the apartment with a deceased MS in the car at 8:19 am. The school is at least 9 miles away. (so confusing...how did he get to the school and back if MS was getting dressed at 8am???)

So, she was awake/aware enough to know what MS was wearing "at 8am"? These timelines make absolutely no sense.
I'd like to point out that when the body was found, the body was not wearing black shorts but blue jeans. So mom didn't even quite know what Maddie was wearing when she "saw her" get ready for school that morning. Or... someone re-dressed her into blue jeans.
 
  • #62
Even if you think JS is completely innocent of harming or any cover up: she''s so exhausted from her Disney job, and her job alone, that she cannot do the short drive to school that morning? Really? If you want to lean on this, being sedated from her meds, perhaps, if she took more than usual or at a later/different time than usual or in combination with something. JS doesn't have the type of job that leaves a person too exhausted to safely drive a couple miles down the road for a 9am school day.
Agreed, what if someone slipped her something without her knowing? I'm not stuck on that theory, Just thinking of possibilities. I am just trying to rationalize mom's role , under what circumstances would she appear protective of SS and/or that story?
 
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  • #63
He is seen dumping backpack: 7:35am.
His CAR is captured by a plate scanner driving *away* from the school at 8:10
Maddie's (possibly dead) body spotted in his car by LE at 8:19.

We know then that at 7:35am - HE was at the apt dumping the backpack.

But we do NOT know where THE CAR WAS until 8:19am at which time it returned to the complex.

Any chance someone else was driving the car BACK to the complex when its spotted by the scanner and arrives back at the complex?
We know the car was traveling from the house (sometime after 7:35), past the school (8:10), and then back to the complex (8:19). 44 minutes isn't a whole lot of time to travel anywhere else, especially since it takes ~38 minutes to make that round trip. That leaves ~6 minutes. I'm thinking he didn't dump her things and then sprint to the car, so those ~6 minutes were likely spent at the property. JMO

"At 8:19, we have evidence that shows Stephan Sterns returning to the complex and Madeline was visible in that vehicle. We believe she was already dead at that time," Mina said.

 
  • #64
IA.

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I’m not judging anyone for dating as a single mother or for accepting help from a partner, but clearly there was a lack of oversight from JS and that blind spot (if indeed she had no idea MS was being abused) when it came to SS had inevitable consequences.

Who knows if any of the story regarding the drive to school was even true. It could have easily just been SS taking it upon himself to carry out her child’s disposal bc he didn’t want JS to get in trouble and she needed to give the impression of “business as usual” by going to work.
I don't know if I believe that he just disposed of Maddie's body without telling mom - I certainly don't believe he would have done it with the intention of keeping her out of trouble!! I can see a crazy person like him making it clear to mom how she was going to be implicated and go directly to the chair for whatever happened in that house if she did NOT help him cover it up though. I can see him straight up telling her, Maddie is dead and if you don't help, I'm going to tell them how horrible a mother you were! Or... If you don't help, I'm going to kill you too! (IF HE KILLED HER HIMSELF EITHER ACCIDENTALLY OR OVERDOSE OR WHATEVER).

If, on the other hand, something happened and she ended up dead as a result of something MOM did (or failed to do - eg: maybe it was an accident and she failed to call 911?). Then I could see him wanting to get rid of the body and create a rouse just to protect *himself*. He knew what he had done to the girl, and what was going to happen to him as a result. He may have told mom, she will be fine! Don't call 911! To keep himself out of trouble, but it would have had nothing to do with wanting to save mom, IMO.

ALL MOO.
 
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  • #65
We know the car was traveling from the house (sometime after 7:35), past the school (8:10), and then back to the complex (8:19). 44 minutes isn't a whole lot of time to travel anywhere else, especially since it takes ~38 minutes to make that round trip. That leaves ~6 minutes. I'm thinking he didn't dump her things and then sprint to the car, so those ~6 minutes were likely spent at the property. JMO

"At 8:19, we have evidence that shows Stephan Sterns returning to the complex and Madeline was visible in that vehicle. We believe she was already dead at that time," Mina said.

Oh-kay then! That answers that. Thanks!
 
  • #66
Maybe she was sedated by ss, so he could do what he needed to do?
I have a horrible thought, and this is complete speculation, when did LE say was the last video that SS made of her, and if he needed money? . One of the call in's ( grain of salt) said he moved back with his parents and really wanted to go back for her birthday. I dont know if it's clear what their relationship status is/was and how much access he'd have to maddi after that.
 
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  • #67
The fact that one of his friends said that SS was caught peeping as a teen gives me a feeling of dread regarding the potential for possible hidden cameras.

I get the impression JS’s family were friendly with SS but begrudgingly tolerated him being in and out of her life. Families typically stay out of chronically on/off relationships to avoid conflict, but I find it almost sounds like they may not have been aware SS was back living with JS. It’s weird that he would have a room in the house when Josh says they were broken up, but SS was insistent he needed to be there for Maddie’s birthday.

I almost wonder if SS was slow to move his things out of JS’s place and left much of it behind because he knew he’d be manipulating JS into giving him regular access to Maddie, despite their relationship issues. I shudder at the thought that SS possibly maintained a sexual/friends with benefits/trustworthy parental figure style relationship with JS so he could keep the door open to MS.

It also breaks my heart to posit that he may have been strategically wedging himself in between JS and MS. If SS was a middle man during any conflict between the two, he could role play as both the listening ear and relatable figure for a teenager looking for solace and guidance from a man who was grooming her, while also acting as an empathetic on/off bf who could validate JS’s parenting experience.

Going even a little deeper, I firmly believe this man was exploiting JS’s alleged bipolar disorder. Since his friends seem to allude to him being a pill fiend, I would not put it past him to have messed with JS’s medications to keep her off balance and distracted.

Make no mistake, I do think it’s possible JS could’ve sacrificed MS’s safety for the sake of keeping him around if she felt that she “needed him” and believed she loved him. But I also strongly feel that he was purposely grooming the both of them and taking advantage of a single mom dealing with mental illness and a pattern of relationship turmoil. If she had any part in covering for his crimes, I’m not absolving her of responsibility…just opining on the possible dynamics that led to MS’s death.

Would it be beneath him to have told JS after killing MS: “You’re bipolar, you don’t take your meds as directed/you need more medication than you realize, you’re detached as a parent and I knew Maddie in a way that you don’t, so you better say what I told you to say because if you don’t you’re going down with me”?

IDTS judging by what he did.

I think it’s entirely possible if he was drugging MS he could have been drugging JS too. His toy collections, intense interest in games and Reddit comments and predatory behavior paint him as a calculated person IMO, until he killed MS. After that, he was only operating from pure self-preservation, and in his haste to cover his tracks he made a series of mistakes that led to his arrest.

I do not want this to seem as an attack on those with bipolar. I am speaking as someone who was married at one time to someone who was diagnosed. This is based on my experiences and clearly everyone is different, so keep this in mind.

It is not uncommon for people with bipolar to enjoy the highs and resist medication.

It is not uncommon to "act out" sexually, at least in certain states. (I'm not leading into JS molesting her daughter by pointing this out, but I am saying the illness itself may have predisposed to some unusual attachment/bonding/activities/etc with SS)

Now that we have heard about her struggling with bipolar, her shaking in the interview also makes a bit more sense. It could be a form of agitation, etc. Her change in appearance also makes some sense to me too as the meds have that as a side effect.

Also, many of the meds ARE sedative in nature. She certainly could have been gone to the world, however I would question why on that particular morning? If she was normally the one doing the school run AND she was awake (in her statement) to see MS get ready for school? i.e. she wasn't totally out of it that morning.

Could JS meds have been used to sedate MS? I think THIS is probably possible.

Also? Given what we have learned about SS and HIS family relationships, particularly his mother? I think he likely has some issues as well, beside the obvious ones. I think the two of them are a pair, personally. Look at JS all rubbing and reassuring SS, comforting in the interview while HE does the "I'm so upset" routine. She doesn't look coerced or afraid. She looks likeshe is worried...about HIM.
Look at JS all rubbing and reassuring SS, comforting in the interview while HE does the "I'm so upset" routine. She doesn't look coerced or afraid. She looks likeshe is worried...about HIM. <------- I agree. no fear.

IMO, she made an extraordinary effort to cover for him and stuck to the script for the media and partially with LE, by carefully avoiding the nite time,*she went right to bed* as well as the morning (for the media)

her statement to LE was 8am 'seeing' Madeline: IMO, 8am was not the truth as to 'what she saw' concerning Madeline.
 
  • #68
Look at JS all rubbing and reassuring SS, comforting in the interview while HE does the "I'm so upset" routine. She doesn't look coerced or afraid. She looks likeshe is worried...about HIM. <------- I agree. no fear.

IMO, she made an extraordinary effort to cover for him and stuck to the script for the media and partially with LE, by carefully avoiding the nite time,*she went right to bed* as well as the morning (for the media)

her statement to LE was 8am 'seeing' Madeline: IMO, 8am was not the truth as to 'what she saw' concerning Madeline.
Yup, I go left, right, back and forth, like a corn maze.
 
  • #69
I am just trying to rationalize mom's role , under what circumstances would she appear protective of SS and/or that story?
How about he spent all the hours driving around the afternoon/evening before and all that day screaming and crying about what a good guy he was; just helping her out by taking HER child to school; and now he's sure to be in trouble because THEY always go after the boyfriend first. There's no telling what will happen to HIM because of LE's unjustified focus on the men in the lives of young women. He (SS) is wonderful, loves Maddy and she loves him, but just by being such a wonderful friend and stepdad, his whole life is ruined. "You know I'd never hurt her," SS would be telling JS. "YOU know that, YOU know, etc." Maybe he even blamed Maddy for leaving him in the lurch or together SS and JS decided Maddy would not have run away so she had to have been snatched.

However, after listening to him for hours on end, probably she was afraid what would happen to him without any idea that he was the direct and only cause for Maddy going missing. . . .
 
  • #70
Which would be more believable/possible, if she had not sworn to LE she saw MS getting ready for school at 8 am.

SS was putting MS belongings in the dumpster at 7:30/5 am.

SS was back at the apartment with a deceased MS in the car at 8:19 am. The school is at least 9 miles away. (so confusing...how did he get to the school and back if MS was getting dressed at 8am???)

So, she was awake/aware enough to know what MS was wearing "at 8am"? These timelines make absolutely no sense.
What if ss showed her camera footage of MS getting ready in the morning to 'prove' to JS that she was getting ready for school? This would obviously be for his benefit so JS could say 'she saw her getting ready'.
Just an idea.
 
  • #71
How about he spent all the hours driving around the afternoon/evening before and all that day screaming and crying about what a good guy he was; just helping her out by taking HER child to school; and now he's sure to be in trouble because THEY always go after the boyfriend first. There's no telling what will happen to HIM because of LE's unjustified focus on the men in the lives of young women. He (SS) is wonderful, loves Maddy and she loves him, but just by being such a wonderful friend and stepdad, his whole life is ruined. "You know I'd never hurt her," SS would be telling JS. "YOU know that, YOU know, etc." Maybe he even blamed Maddy for leaving him in the lurch or together SS and JS decided Maddy would not have run away so she had to have been snatched.

However, after listening to him for hours on end, probably she was afraid what would happen to him without any idea that he was the direct and only cause for Maddy going missing. . . .
It's sure not the craziest theory is it? I think this rationale is reasonable. I wouldnt be surprised if he drugged them both, to make sure he had the time without interference or even worry about where mom was. Then something happened, what happened after 8:19 was mom still sleeping, till when ? what did he do with maddi between 8:19 and the time hes spotted with the flat? He had to have taken her somewhere? surely she would not be left in the car all day.
 
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  • #72
How about he spent all the hours driving around the afternoon/evening before and all that day screaming and crying about what a good guy he was; just helping her out by taking HER child to school; and now he's sure to be in trouble because THEY always go after the boyfriend first. There's no telling what will happen to HIM because of LE's unjustified focus on the men in the lives of young women. He (SS) is wonderful, loves Maddy and she loves him, but just by being such a wonderful friend and stepdad, his whole life is ruined. "You know I'd never hurt her," SS would be telling JS. "YOU know that, YOU know, etc." Maybe he even blamed Maddy for leaving him in the lurch or together SS and JS decided Maddy would not have run away so she had to have been snatched.

However, after listening to him for hours on end, probably she was afraid what would happen to him without any idea that he was the direct and only cause for Maddy going missing. . . .
It has been mentioned many times that if for any reason JS was forced to mislead LE through fear or being drugged,then the moment that he was arrested and charges know ,she could have opened up to the detectives.

she also could have spoken to an officer when she reported Madeline missing.

I cannot find any reason to give JS the benefit of the doubt about her conflicting statements.
 
  • #73
or the simplest answer, which is mom was purposefully deceptive in her statements which is why they weren't consistent and she was purposefully deceptive because she values her relationship with SS more than her daughter. JMO but that ends up being the case a large percentage of time. MOO etc etc.
 
  • #74
or the simplest answer, which is mom was purposefully deceptive in her statements which is why they weren't consistent and she was purposefully deceptive because she values her relationship with SS more than her daughter. JMO but that ends up being the case a large percentage of time. MOO etc etc.
Or she was protecting her self and her own actions.
 
  • #75
So I was just wondering, and this comes from a point brought up on a YouTube video that is NOT WS approved so I cannot link it: the interviews given by JS and SS to the media - were those arranged via JS and the media OR did media show up and OFFER to interview her / them?

The video I watched, a man who said he used to be a cop in Florida noted that it COULD be the police wanted the media to offer them interview(s) so that they could get more info in a non formal police interview setting etc. I thought that was very interesting and clever if that is how it went!
 
  • #76
Or she was protecting her self and her own actions.
Cant argue with all those points, all of these things are possibilities. Like I said Im not committed to any theory, more open to hearing all of them.
 
  • #77
What if ss showed her camera footage of MS getting ready in the morning to 'prove' to JS that she was getting ready for school? This would obviously be for his benefit so JS could say 'she saw her getting ready'.
Just an idea.
Then the footage had to have been from an earlier date / time because:
Maddie was not found wearing black shorts (she was found wearing blue jeans and mom said 'last seen wearing black shorts...'.
 
  • #78
Have there been any interviews with neighbors? I know someone pointed out there is not a garage associated with these condos. If this is correct, I'm wondering how MS' body was moved into the car if she died in the Soto apartment?

I'm thinking it also seems a little unusual if no one was around to see MS and SS leaving "for school"? Typically at that time of day, there should be plenty of people out and about. Many jobs start at 9, other families going to school, retirees, people exercising, walking dogs, anything of that nature.

Do we know if anyone saw Maddie or Stephan or Jennifer that morning?
 
  • #79
Another question: what are your thoughts on her admission to seeing maddi get dressed at 8 Am in a police report no less, and then omits it after that in both news clips,why didnt she mention it again on the news?
 
  • #80
Have there been any interviews with neighbors? I know someone pointed out there is not a garage associated with these condos. If this is correct, I'm wondering how MS' body was moved into the car if she died in the Soto apartment?

I'm thinking it also seems a little unusual if no one was around to see MS and SS leaving "for school"? Typically at that time of day, there should be plenty of people out and about. Many jobs start at 9, other families going to school, retirees, people exercising, walking dogs, anything of that nature.

Do we know if anyone saw Maddie or Stephan or Jennifer that morning?
Do we know if any cameras showed the immediate area around their apartment 's front door ? Has any information been given about JS's car?
 
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