Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #9

[vls12345]

It's interesting to hear that Maddi felt more energy when NOT taking her ADHD meds. I'm not going down that rabbit hole because there is no way to prove anything, but it does make you wonder.

Agree. Was she being told to take them by the adults in her life because the meds made her more subdued and maybe more compliant?

 

[ttjo]

MOO, but please let me voice it-- what a selfish, self-absorbed mother. I find myself blaming her more than even SS. Want her held accountable for all those years. Of course he took advantage of the situation when offered up her little girl. Why did Maddie need medication before bed?​

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Sometimes kids who are on ADHD meds are also prescribed medication for sleep. Around these parts it is usually melatonin (non-habit forming) Seems like she was not really having her medication monitored by a doctor, if she went on and off (on her own will) or didn't take ADHD meds but still took meds for sleep. IDK, but if not reviewed, that sounds like a missed opportunity to discuss her bedtime anxiety with a doctor. That alone IMO could be neglect, but in fairness, I don't know what they discussed with the doctor.

 

[CHEL]

Are there any statements from the roommates in the documents? Surely they had to have known something was going on.

 

[ttjo]

Agree. Was she being told to take them by the adults in her life because the meds made her more subdued and maybe more compliant?

or a little bait and switch? because they should speed you up not down. or not even getting them, but still getting bedtime meds? They're heavily monitored here, so who knows what was going on there. Just seems odd.
* I know ADHD meds are supposed to help kids slow down a little and focus better, when you really have ADHD, but never have I heard of a child being sleepy on ADHD meds. or have more energy off of them. ( not even with the class of ADHD meds like concerta etc)

 

[MissMalowe]

If mom wasnt home until 10:30pm and Stephan reported Maddie had her meds and was currently showering, and mom & Maddie went to bed by 11:00pm....when did all that supposed "happily showing us her 13th birthday gifts" thing occur?

 

[FansBlowing]

Maddy not having her own room shows, to me, that Jenn did not value her daughter. I could understand having to rent rooms out in trying to pay the household expenses, HOA fees, car insurance, phone expenses, medical expenses, etc. However, one of those rooms should have been for Maddy's private space. There is no excuse for this.

 

[iamshadow21]

It's interesting to hear that Maddi felt more energy when NOT taking her ADHD meds. I'm not going down that rabbit hole because there is no way to prove anything, but it does make you wonder.

That's exactly the result I'd expect. They're meant to calm hyperactivity and increase focus.

That's what they do for me, though my hyperactivity is mostly mental, not physical.

MOO

 

[ttjo]

That's exactly the result I'd expect. They're meant to calm hyperactivity and increase focus.

That's what they do for me, though my hyperactivity is mostly mental, not physical.

MOO

I mean it's possible, and everyone responds to meds differently, but it is a stimulant, if she had more energy off of them, you think you would also see other symptoms characteristic of adhd show up again. why was she prescribed them in the first place?
Just thinking of when I worked in child welfare, almost every kid was on them (sad) and if they ever missed a med, they may have had energy but it was frazzled energy. unfocused, scattered.
I dont want to make a big deal out of it, just was interesting to me and also unusual.
* maybe just cause SS is involved in this mix it makes me sus, but like I said, its not anything that can be proven, and in the big picture it's probably not important, SS is just a master of twisting things if her meds were played with, it might look like mood swings, and why her and her friend talked about Bi polar disorder at 13, that sounded like she was coached to me, Again, nothing we can prove, but it's just is a little red flag to me.
probably something Id want to monitor if maddi was alive.

 

[iamshadow21]

I mean it's possible, and everyone responds to meds differently, but it is a stimulant, if she had more energy off of them, you think you would also see other symptoms characteristic of adhd show up again. why was she prescribed them in the first place?
Just thinking of when I worked in child welfare, almost every kid was on them (sad) and if they ever missed a med, they may have had energy but it was frazzled energy. unfocused, scattered.
I dont want to make a big deal out of it, just was interesting to me and also unusual.

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That frazzled energy was likely their natural state. That's my natural state, without my medication.

I was diagnosed as an adult, so there is zero doubt in my experience of what my brain is like on and off the medication.

You're not seeing rebound, you're seeing them without the medication that enables them to focus and control their behaviour.

MOO

 

[MissMalowe]

Did we know their condo was a FOUR bedroom and that Jen rented out 2 rooms, Stephan had his own room (even during "off periods" of their relationship) and that Maddie had NO room prior to this recent document release?

 

[ttjo]

That frazzled energy was likely their natural state. That's my natural state, without my medication.



MOO

I think we might be saying the same thing? Yes frazzled without meds, which Maddi may equate with more energy? I hear you, I could be the poster child, but considering Maddi had a lot of trauma too, its just really something that should have been monitored better.

 

[iamshadow21]

Did we know their condo was a FOUR bedroom and that Jen rented out 2 rooms, Stephan had his own room (even during "off periods" of their relationship) and that Maddie had NO room prior to this recent document release?

Not to my knowledge.

I imagine if the house had a basement or a cupboard under the stairs, she would have been relegated to that.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

I think we might be saying the same thing? Yes frazzled without meds, which Maddi may equate with more energy? I hear you, I could be the poster child, but considering Maddi had a lot of trauma too, its just really something that should have been monitored better.

Perhaps we are. The perils of internet communication.

I think that given her trauma and the fact that her sleep was being disturbed, her inattentiveness and poor grades could have had more to do with her trauma than ADHD.

But I also know that I have severe trauma AND am multiply neurodivergent. Not one or the other. And JS's body language reads as neurodivergent to me, so there's every chance Madeline had both going on.

Not everyone likes how the medication makes them feel. It's entirely possible she was on the wrong med for her, or the wrong dose. But it doesn't sound like anything in this girl's life was done with care and consideration, so if Madeline complained about her medication, she was probably just told to shut up and stop whining and take it, rather than an appointment being booked to look into options.

MOO

 

[modesty blaise]

I don't think anything was wrong with Madeline outside of severe trauma. Moo

 

[ttjo]

I don't think anything was wrong with Madeline outside of severe trauma. Moo

That's what Im wondering, she had a lot going on that allegedly her mom didn't know about so likely trauma was never explored. ( or ignored)

 

[Megnut]

I'm not defending anyone, but I wonder about JS's capacity for reflection, insight...

I.Q. E.Q.

Was JS even able to consider the world from Maddie's perspective? There are lots of people who can't do it. Not necessarily sociopaths. Not apathy. Just unable.

JS, tired, needing sleep. That is very self-centric. No concern for where that puts Maddie. No concern for Maddie's sleep, safety, anxiety, security. It's very perfunctory.

I'm wondering if this falls on a cognitive level. Unable to process on other cylinders.

Because HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN????

Maddie abused from 8 years old and onward...8, 9, 20, 11, 12, 13...

Consider: if JS were an alcoholic. 80-proof every day. And Maddie was left to raise herself. JS, in that scenario, would be derelict, just checked out, unaware. So, is it possible she doesn't have the capacity for great discernment? People like that do exist. Do have jobs and relationships and manage to function without being able to empathize. It's hard to fathom.... but maybe that's how this happened. SS, fast with the stories, confusing to JS, but unable to differentiate?

No free passes but I'm not sure she's functioning on a full level.

State of sheer oblivion? How much of that could be accidental? How much intentional? How much neurological?

With the stats on how many girls have been victims of childhood SA, mostly in their own homes, it's a gutpunch to realize that probably works out to a girl or two or three in every classroom, trying to do school while bearing the awful complexity of abuse...

How do we stop this?

JMO

 

[photographer4]

So we have a roommate he was secretly recording at JS house by sliding phone under the door (per the docs in GH part two last night). Did JS know about this?

We have a woman he was sexually involved with (her name is in the docs, part two but I wont mention it). He told her about sleeping with MS and said he woke up with an erection and had to turn away one morning. She found this odd, and cut ties soon after with him. Did she report it to anyone??

Why did JS leave home at 14:30 (2:30pm) to go get Ms from school on the reported missing day?? Seems awfully early to even leave for pick up? She couldn’t recall if she told Ms she would pick her up that day or not and that’s why she went to mom’s office. Her mother told her she wasn’t there and it was too early. So she (JS) may have been pretty anxious about the big show she was about to have to put on.

She (JS) was already using the “we” dropped her off story when she called the best friend of MS. Sounds like the friend also didn’t get the morning check in from Ms as she normally would.

JS couldn’t remember if SS arrived on the Saturday or Sunday night (or was that LE restating that SS wasn’t sure?) (go docs part two last night).

If MS said home life was improving and SS moved out, to staff at school — and he ate all their food and made her uncomfortable, did the staff make a CPS report? If not was it because Ss had moved out? This is one of those things in hind sight that makes sense that didn’t at the time for whatever reason. When a kid says a partner made them uncomfortable you dig deeper. It’s easy to miss and I am not blaming any staff here. They couldn’t know then what we know now.

Ss had a large scar on top of right wrist. Past suicide attempt maybe? Why would you bring this one home to your kids???? Ugh.

 

[ttjo]

How do we stop this?

JMO

Another great post. I dont know how you stop it, kids need to be educated early but it has to be more than teaching them about inappropriate touching. They should ask the people that are the experts, (the kids who have experienced it), what they would have needed to make it safe for them to talk, to tell, and to not be afraid of the outcome. Honestly, The professionals need to talk to the experts, the kids who know best and will likely have the best answers.

 

[Megnut]

It's interesting to hear that Maddi felt more energy when NOT taking her ADHD meds. I'm not going down that rabbit hole because there is no way to prove anything, but it does make you wonder.

We have no way of knowing WHAT SS was giving MS when he was overseeing her nighttime routine. He might have been messing with her doses, giving her something else entirely.

It's just awful. JS, fully checked out as an actual parent. SS, absolute predator with easy access to prey. That poor child. From the sounds of it, manipulated into thinking SS was her only ally in the world. Insidious. That should be a charge of its own.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

We have no way of knowing WHAT SS was giving MS when he was overseeing her nighttime routine. He might have been messing with her doses, giving her something else entirely.

It's just awful. JS, fully checked out as an actual parent. SS, absolute predator with easy access to prey. That poor child. From the sounds of it, manipulated into thinking SS was her only ally in the world. Insidious. That should be a charge of its own.

JMO

Not everyone should be a mother IMO. How many cases have we seen where the mother either aided or in some cases actually committed the act against their own child.

It's beyond my mind's comprehension that evil like this is walking among us on the daily. The only relief I can get is if this Monster SS rides the express lane to DP land and that if JS had anything to do with the actual muder or coverup of the murder gets the maximum allowed by law.

Sadly NOTHING will bring back sweet and innocent Madeline who suffered untold torture at the hands of SS from 8 years old. She is in pain no more, but she SHOULD be here and living a happy life.

JMO